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Munster v Connacht, sat 6th Jan, 7:35 tg4 - build up, probably match thread

  • 03-01-2018 2:24pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 10,063 ✭✭✭✭ wp_rathead


    Bundee, Dillane and Marmion apparently to be left out as per IRFU Player Welfare- expect more rotations too from KK

    Munster look to win their first Interpro of the season, Cloete, TOD and Holland are confirmed out


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Prediction:
    Kilcoyne, KOB, Archer, Kleyn, Wycherley, POM, JOD, Stander;
    Murray, Keatley, Sweetnam, R Scannell, Farrell, ROM, Conway

    Casey/Sherry, Cronin, J Ryan, DOS, Oliver, Hart, Johnston, Earls

    Injured: Marshall, N Scannell, LOC, Holland, Grobler, DOC, TOD, Cloete, Bleyendaal, Taute, Goggin, Nash
    Rested: Arnold (or suspended), Wootton, Zebo

    It would be a massive boost if Farrell is fit in time.

    Connacht were very impressive at the RDS. This is a potential banana skin for Munster, albeit Connacht will be resting key starters.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Zzippy


    I'm disappointed we targeted the Leinster game and are resting players for this - would have thought this was a better bet for an away win, all things being equal. Heading down for the game anyway, been a couple years since I was in TP. A win would be a superb result, I'd be happy with a LBP.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭ Wegians89


    McCabe McCartney Carey
    Roux cannon
    Masterson Muldoon butler
    Mitchell carty/Ronaldson
    Farrell ahki
    Healy toh niyi
    Heffernan coulson bealham Gallagher dawai blade carty/Ronaldson leader
    Something like that from Connacht maybe


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,579 ✭✭✭✭ stephen_n


    Zzippy wrote: »
    I'm disappointed we targeted the Leinster game and are resting players for this - would have thought this was a better bet for an away win, all things being equal. Heading down for the game anyway, been a couple years since I was in TP. A win would be a superb result, I'd be happy with a LBP.

    If Munster lose a second interpro in Thomond, things would become very uncomfortable, very quickly for Van Graan. I don’t think it will be an easier task to win there than the RDS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭ stellenbosch


    Prediction:
    Kilcoyne, KOB, Archer, Kleyn, Wycherley, POM, JOD, Stander;
    Murray, Keatley, Sweetnam, R Scannell, Farrell, ROM, Conway

    Casey/Sherry, Cronin, J Ryan, DOS, Oliver, Hart, Johnston, Earls

    Injured: Marshall, N Scannell, LOC, Holland, Grobler, DOC, TOD, Cloete, Bleyendaal, Taute, Goggin, Nash
    Rested: Arnold (or suspended), Wootton, Zebo

    It would be a massive boost if Farrell is fit in time.

    Connacht were very impressive at the RDS. This is a potential banana skin for Munster, albeit Connacht will be resting key starters.

    Arnold gets 6 weeks reduced to 3


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭ aloooof


    stephen_n wrote: »
    If Munster lose a second interpro in Thomond, things would become very uncomfortable, very quickly for Van Graan. I don’t think it will be an easier task to win there than the RDS.

    They haven't won an interpro yet this season, losing in the Sportsground, twice to Leinster and in the Kingspan. Badly need a win here to have some momentum going into the Racing game.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭ Wegians89


    I think that the desperate need to win added to the few injuries and suspensions could be munsters down fall.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Probable Munster team for Connacht:
    Zebo, Sweetnam/Earls, Earls/Farrell, R Scannell, Conway, Keatley, Murray,
    Kilcoyne, O'Byrne, Archer, Kleyn, O'Shea, O'Mahony, O'Donoghue, Stander.

    Per Limerick Leader


  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭ CowboyTed


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    McCabe McCartney Carey
    Roux cannon
    Masterson Muldoon butler
    Mitchell carty/Ronaldson
    Farrell ahki
    Healy toh niyi
    Heffernan coulson bealham Gallagher dawai blade carty/Ronaldson leader
    Something like that from Connacht maybe

    Agreed on all except I would have Coulson over McCabe normally but he had 80 minutes on Monday. Belham and McCartney both played 60 min so he might be a starter...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭ Wegians89


    CowboyTed wrote: »
    Agreed on all except I would have Coulson over McCabe normally but he had 80 minutes on Monday. Belham and McCartney both played 60 min so he might be a starter...

    Could see delahunt come back in for tom and wouldn't be upset if bealham was on the bench with Carey starting, a bit of quality in dept in Connachts front row


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  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭ CowboyTed


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Could see delahunt come back in for tom and wouldn't be upset if bealham was on the bench with Carey starting, a bit of quality in dept in Connachts front row

    Looking at the team they put out, I would like us to beat them up in the front row like we did in the Sportsground... The backrow fight will be the winning of this game and the tight five made there job a lot easier first time out...

    At this moment we are playing as the second best team in Ireland.

    As a side note I am gutted Deegan played so well on Monday. He had 26 tackles and no miss. I was banking on a fit Heaslip and Conan giving feck all playing time and was ripe for us... He is a cracking player but Leinster are letting go nowhere now... When get over there backrow injury problems they are going to have to let a player or two go... Jordie is gone, who is next...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭ Wegians89


    CowboyTed wrote: »
    Looking at the team they put out, I would like us to beat them up in the front row like we did in the Sportsground... The backrow fight will be the winning of this game and the tight five made there job a lot easier first time out...

    At this moment we are playing as the second best team in Ireland.

    As a side note I am gutted Deegan played so well on Monday. He had 26 tackles and no miss. I was banking on a fit Heaslip and Conan giving feck all playing time and was ripe for us... He is a cracking player but Leinster are letting go nowhere now... When get over there backrow injury problems they are going to have to let a player or two go... Jordie is gone, who is next...

    I was hoping one of deegan or Doris would come west, deegan would be further developed and has a better injury record but Doris is from mayo and could swing it, we need an 8 but doubt we'll get either.

    Think butler could have a match winning preformance again, with Quinn roux and cannon having monster games


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,016 ✭✭✭ Bridge93


    Only one winner for me. Strongest possible munster team, seething after the last two games and eyeing form before the biggest game of the season against a Connacht team shorn of their best players.

    Called Leinster to win by 3 or 4. I'm going for munster by 15 with a bonus point.

    This is all predicated on munster picking their strongest available team. Connacht had a choice between the RDS and Thomond and picked the RDS. Can't really blame them for that. I'm sure KK weighed up the likeliehood of facing and the chance of beating a lucky dip of a Leinster team (who had 3 days less of a turnaround) or the munster first XV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭✭ Mr Shikadance


    Home advantage should swing it to Munster, but we have a good chance. I don't particularly rate Munster this season. 
    Certainly nothing like Leinster and we are starting to hit our straps, even with the need to rotate.
    I am confident.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,532 ✭✭✭✭ 2smiggy


    Home advantage should swing it to Munster, but we have a good chance. I don't particularly rate Munster this season. 
    Certainly nothing like Leinster and we are starting to hit our straps, even with the need to rotate.
    I am confident.

    :pac: :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭✭ Mr Shikadance


    2smiggy wrote: »
    Home advantage should swing it to Munster, but we have a good chance. I don't particularly rate Munster this season. 
    Certainly nothing like Leinster and we are starting to hit our straps, even with the need to rotate.
    I am confident.

    :pac: :pac:
    It will be a good game eh!!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Zzippy


    2smiggy wrote: »
    :pac: :pac:

    A well constructed argument, and you make some good points, but I feel you could have made more of an effort, a couple of emojis might help get your point across.
    Like this... ;) :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,708 ✭✭✭✭ Interested Observer


    It is a pity Connacht have decided to rest guys in this match, they could have had a good crack at Munster otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭✭ Mr Shikadance


    It is a pity Connacht have decided to rest guys in this match, they could have had a good crack at Munster otherwise.
    We still will.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,708 ✭✭✭✭ Interested Observer


    We still will.

    Hopefully but I don't think Connacht have the depth.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭ Wegians89


    Hopefully but I don't think Connacht have the depth.

    Replacing dillane with a internationally capped roux, big chance for new signings Mitchell and ahki to show they're not far off marmion and bundee, personally think if it's just these three being rested there's a good chance if the likes of masterson, carty, Healy and toh get rested too it'll be hard to see Connacht being too competitive


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,307 ✭✭✭ bennyl10


    We still will.

    Munster were very good in the second against Leinster, and barring the red would by most margins have won comfortable last week..

    this Munster team aren't as bad as some are making out here.. let's not forget their coasting in Europe(champions cup also) and barring Christmas have been very consistent in the league..

    Munster by 15+ Saturday.
    Connacht bringing the B's to thomond, with a full strength munster who need a win.

    Maybe not as bad as last year, bit its hard to see anything but a Munster win here
    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,368 ✭✭✭✭ molloyjh


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Munster were very good in the second against Leinster, and barring the red would by most margins have won comfortable last week..

    this Munster team aren't as bad as some are making out here.. let's not forget their coasting in Europe(champions cup also) and barring Christmas have been very consistent in the league..

    Munster by 15+ Saturday.
    Connacht bringing the B's to thomond, with a full strength munster who need a win.

    Maybe not as bad as last year, bit its hard to see anything but a Munster win here
    .

    Ulster had turned things around before the red card last week. They had all the momentum and had put Munster under a lot of pressure to the extent that Munsters discipline dropped and they started conceding penalties which led to the yellow for persistent infringements. Ulster got their first try before the red card was issued and so were, in reality, 7-17 before Arnold was sent off. And in the ascendancy. There's no guarantee they would have won from there obviously, but they were certainly putting Munster under huge pressure and it would have been close regardless.

    As for Europe, Munster beat a pretty awful Leicester team and there was a song and dance made over it. This is the Leicester team that are 9th in the premiership, just 1 place above Saints. Munster beat Racing at home by a single score in what was hardly the most memorable game you can think of and drew with Castres. They are 4 points clear of Racing with an away game to Racing to come which could easily see them neck and neck going into the final round. I'd hardly call that "coasting".

    Munster will be without several players tomorrow too so won't be full strength. They've lost all 4 of their inter-pro games and if you combine the 2 conferences at the moment Munster would be 5th behind Glasgow, Scarlets, Leinster and Ulster.

    This isn't to say Munster are bad, but let's be real about things for a second here. They aren't that good either at the moment. A 15 point win would be a very, very good result for them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭ Jump_In_Jack


    Probable Munster team for Connacht:
    Zebo, Sweetnam/Earls, Earls/Farrell, R Scannell, Conway, Keatley, Murray,
    Kilcoyne, O'Byrne, Archer, Kleyn, O'Shea, O'Mahony, O'Donoghue, Stander.

    Per Limerick Leader

    Twitter saying Munster team will be announced at 12,
    Really looking forward to this contest,
    Expecting Munster to try to be ruthless from the start, and Connacht to give a strong underdog performance,
    Should be like the Munster/Leinster match, could be an upset if Connacht can get a good start I think.

    On second glance at the Limerick Leader prediction that Ronan O'Mahony and Conor Oliver will be playing with their clubs, and assuming Farrell and Zebo both start,

    Could see Munster lining out like this:
    1. Kilcoyne, 2. O'Byrne, 3. Archer,
    4. O'Shea, 5. Kleyn,
    6. O'Mahony, 8. Stander, 7. O'Donoghue,
    9. Murray, 10. Keatley,
    11. Earls, 12. Scannell, 13. Farrell, 14. Conway,
    15. Zebo.

    16. Sherry, 17. Cronin, 18. Ryan, 19. Wycherley, 20. Copeland, 21. Hart, 22. Johnston, 23. Sweetnam.

    Will be interesting if a few players are to be held back, considering the following match against Racing 8 days later, and Castres 7 days after that.
    Can't really afford to spare too many guys against Connacht though as there is a lot of pride at stake now given the Interpro results this season.

    Munster will be stretched at hooker, second row, back row, and centre, for the next 3 matches at least.

    Connacht might find Munster a little battle shy if they have to protect that many players from injury for the Euro matches coming up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Munster:
    Simon Zebo; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Ian Keatley, Conor Murray;
    Dave Kilcoyne, Rhys Marshall, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Darren O’Shea; Jack O’Donoghue, Conor Oliver, CJ Stander (C).

    Replacements: Mike Sherry, James Cronin, Stephen Archer, Robin Copeland, Peter O’Mahony, Duncan Williams, Bill Johnston, Darren Sweetnam.

    Big opportunity for Conor Oliver after TOD's unfortunate injury.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭ ClanofLams


    https://twitter.com/connachtrugby/status/949249420142489602

    Changes aplenty. Ahki Griffin in centre will be interesting. Gallagher in at 6. Conan O’Donnell and Paul Boyle on bench.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭ Wegians89


    ClanofLams wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/connachtrugby/status/949249420142489602

    Changes aplenty. Ahki Griffin in centre will be interesting. Gallagher in at 6. Conan O’Donnell and Paul Boyle on bench.

    A lot more change then I thought there would be, still an internationally capped back three. Bench looks weak


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭ ClanofLams


    Wegians89 wrote: »
    A lot more change then I thought there would be, still an internationally capped back three. Bench looks weak

    I’d say unproven/unexposed more than weak but would obviously prefer some more established players on it.

    Centre is probably the biggest concern. A partnership that has never played together going up against Scannell Farrell is far from ideal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 its_phil


    Munster at -13 looks right if not generous to Connacht.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,462 ✭✭✭ budhabob


    Munster:
    Simon Zebo; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Rory Scannell, Keith Earls; Ian Keatley, Conor Murray;
    Dave Kilcoyne, Rhys Marshall, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Darren O’Shea; Jack O’Donoghue, Conor Oliver, CJ Stander (C).

    Replacements: Mike Sherry, James Cronin, Stephen Archer, Robin Copeland, Peter O’Mahony, Duncan Williams, Bill Johnston, Darren Sweetnam.

    Big opportunity for Conor Oliver after TOD's unfortunate injury.

    Strong enough team, and a mobile / effective backrow! Great to see Sherrys name on the team sheet again after his last few years - hopefully he can put all the injuries behind him now and keep fit.


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