Lice treatments

Muckit

Have cattle to do here. What are lads using? Usually shave backs and use Ectospec. Is Spot On much the same?

Tks.

cute geoge

a shake of rhyno lime

Cavanjack

cute geoge wrote: »

a shake of rhyno lime

Is it not just as handy and effective to use a pour on?

QA1

Muckit wrote: »

Have cattle to do here. What are lads using? Usually shave backs and use Ectospec. Is Spot On much the same?

Tks.

Used ectospec middle of December and there scrating again now .
vet said do them again with it now but I have no faith in product will have to do them again now anyway

grassroot1

QA1 wrote: »

Used ectospec middle of December and there scrating again now .
vet said do them again with it now but I have no faith in product will have to do them again now anyway

I have used Ectospec in the past and find it useless. We should probably do cattle for lice the day they are housed and again 3 weeks later. (no never did it either)

White Clover

I have stopped using ecto spec too... Absolutely useless stuff. Used spotinor last year and this year and find it good.

lab man

Taktic use the power washer here do each animal individually once every 10 days for three weeks works for me . I tried the lime with no result

DaDerv

Used Butox here this year for the first time. 10ml per animal regardless of size, shaved their backs and applied. Seems to be very good. No signs of licking now, no scabs and not itching off bars anymore. Haven't needed a second application either.

In the past I've used Spotinor and Ectospec but hadn't had much joy. I believe these need to be done a couple of times, once to kill the lice then 10 days to 2 weeks later to kill the eggs.

Bought a bottle of Taktic but never got around to using it, seems too much work but I've heard others say they have had good results. Like that i think animals can become immune to these things so its no harm to rotate the uses until you feel they are not as effective as they once were.

RedPeppers

Shave all backs here and use Dectospot, find it good. Have used Taktic in the past with mixed results. Also have back scratchers in pens for the cattle here and find them great for a small investment.

greysides

grassroot1 wrote: »

I have used Ectospec in the past and find it useless. We should probably do cattle for lice the day they are housed and again 3 weeks later. (no never did it either)

Short history lesson...once upon a time there was a product, sold as 'Pour On'. It was an organo-phosphate lice dressing. Instructions said to repeat it in 2 weeks to kill any lice that had hatched in the interum, and do so before they were mature enough to have laid another generation themselves.
It was quite effective.

Nowadays we have lots of pour-ons. No organo-phosphate in them, usually a pyrethrin based product. Meant to last long enough not to need a repeat at 14 days and perfectly safe.

Especially for the lice.

Muckit

lab man wrote: »

Taktic use the power washer here do each animal individually once every 10 days for three weeks works for me . I tried the lime with no result

Sorry I'm not looking for work!! Have you a crate or how do you do both sides?

riemann

lab man wrote: »

Taktic use the power washer here do each animal individually once every 10 days for three weeks works for me . I tried the lime with no result

Yeah because who has time for medicine or science, all those experts with their big words and flash suits.

What do they know compared to me, the man with a Jetwash 11/110 who isn't afraid to use it.

jimmy G M

[quote="greysides;10571264 Meant to last long enough not to need a repeat at 14 days and perfectly safe.

Especially for the lice.[/quote]

So what you are saying is that these pour ons are a load of sh**e ? If I am reading correctly

greysides

jimmy G M wrote: »

So what you are saying is that these pour ons are a load of sh**e ? If I am reading correctly

Close....

They don't seem to be nearly as effective as the old OP treatments and despite the theoretical one-treatment-suffices statements they started off with, they generally need a few applications over the housing period.

They may have been more effective when they first came out.

Bass Reeves

greysides wrote: »

grassroot1 wrote: »

I have used Ectospec in the past and find it useless. We should probably do cattle for lice the day they are housed and again 3 weeks later. (no never did it either)

Short history lesson...once upon a time there was a product, sold as 'Pour On'. It was an organo-phosphate lice dressing. Instructions said to repeat it in 2 weeks to kill any lice that had hatched in the interum, and do so before they were mature enough to have laid another generation themselves.
It was quite effective.

Nowadays we have lots of pour-ons. No organo-phosphate in them, usually a pyrethrin based product. Meant to last long enough not to need a repeat at 14 days and perfectly safe.

Especially for the lice.

In other words a spray od sheep dip two weeks apart. However OP's are terrible stuff

I use an ivermectin injection at housing and while not ideal it seems it may be one of the better options

Cavanjack

Anyone use dectospot? Done one of the sheds yesterday with it. It's cheap if nothing else.

valtra2

I have never treated animals for lice here is that unusual

lab man

Muckit wrote:

Sorry I'm not looking for work!! Have you a crate or how do you do both sides?

No problem to do them in the slatted shed loose

sonnybill

Tomorrow is promised dry so I need to dose mine and do them for lice, they gone patchy and saw blood where one is really scratching .

They outwintered on a hill. 12 weeks ago I gave them trodax and pour on . Going Levafas diamond this time and pour on again

greysides

Levafas will only get the fluke you missed the last time and not any picked up since. It's not a great worm dose either. Trodax again with Albex (at worm only dose level) would be better. Fasinex/Tribex/Endospec would be better again for fluke.

sonnybill

greysides wrote: »

Levafas will only get the fluke you missed the last time and not any picked up since. It's not a great worm dose either. Trodax again with Albex (at worm only dose level) would be better. Fasinex/Tribex/Endospec would be better again for fluke.

I have trodax enough to do them but I just thought that Levafas diamond would also knock rumen fluke, do worms and change of dose etc would be better.

Should I give trodax again and Levafas at worm only rate

Muckit

Re lice... l used standard bimectin injection in the end(had forgotten that that did lice and mites) and shaved their backs. Has stopped the scratching. Trodax used for fluke.

Muckit

Greysides... will a dung sample show up all common internal parasite burdens like stomach worm, hoose, rumen and liver fluke? Dung sampling is on my things to do as don't like giving stuff only if needs be.

greysides

Muckit wrote: »

Greysides... will a dung sample show up all common internal parasite burdens like stomach worm, hoose, rumen and liver fluke? Dung sampling is on my things to do as don't like giving stuff only if needs be.

It will, but no harm to specify you want all worms checked.

greysides

sonnybill wrote: »

I have trodax enough to do them but I just thought that Levafas diamond would also knock rumen fluke, do worms and change of dose etc would be better.

Should I give trodax again and Levafas at worm only rate

If you haven't catered for inhibited worms, which Levafas doesn't, over the course of the winter, as levamisole is the wormed, then you need to.
The oxyclozanide does cover Rumen fluke whereas others won't but you tend to only do that where you think you have a problem or if there has previously been a problem.
Fluke, on the other hand, is nearly a guaranteed treat and needs to be catered for properly.

As regards a 'worm only dose' level, you may be mixing up your wormers and their ingredients.

Trodax would be fine but you need a white dose or an ivomec-type to cover the worms properly at least once over the winter.