Smelly Chicken from Butchers

aabarnes1

Pre ordered a fresh free range bird from my local butcher a couple of days ago and collected it early Christmas eve, straight home into the fridge, (less than 10 mins).
Opened the bag it came in Christmas morning, only to met by a strong smell akin to rotten eggs. I was a bit concerned, the colour and texture looked ok
so I thoroughly washed the bird and roasted for 200 minutes at 175c, still smelled a bit 'sour' after it cooled down so didn't eat it. Xmas dinner ruined.
What are my options please if any one knows, I can't find much info regarding butchers shops. There was no sell by or use by on the bag.
Thanks in advance.:mad:

hawkelady

I'm sure the butcher will sort you out when imhe opens up his shop after the break. Just go down to him and tell him what you said here ..
not sure what you're exactly looking for here but I'm sure the butcher will give you something .... make sure to take the chicken down to him , in a bag with the smell.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

If it's a proper craft butcher's then go in and tell them about it.

Maggie Marie

Keeping a chicken for a few more days until butcher opens is unhygienic.

aabarnes1

hawkelady wrote: »

I'm sure the butcher will sort you out when imhe opens up his shop after the break. Just go down to him and tell him what you said here ..
not sure what you're exactly looking for here but I'm sure the butcher will give you something .... make sure to take the chicken down to him , in a bag with the smell.

I suppose I am severely disjointed given that Christmas dinner was ruined so I suppose a refund and an apology would be nice from him thats what I'd be looking for.

aabarnes1

Jett Worried Piano wrote: »

If it's a proper craft butcher's then go in and tell them about it.

He's an independent butcher, not sure what constitutes 'craft'.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

aabarnes1 wrote: »

He's an independent butcher, not sure what constitutes 'craft'.

What we'd call 'a proper butcher's' years ago.

Just explain what you put here and I'm sure he'll make good the disappointment.

Fann Linn

Maggie Marie wrote: »

Keeping a chicken for a few more days until butcher opens is unhygienic.

Just put it in a bag and in your wheeliebin until then.

njs030

Don't wash chickens in future!
Take it back and ask for a refund.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just put it in a bag and in your wheeliebin until then.

Bringing it to the butcher's is pointless several days later.

aabarnes1

Jett Worried Piano wrote: »

What we'd call 'a proper butcher's' years ago.

Just explain what you put here and I'm sure he'll make good the disappointment.

Ahh thanks.

Kuva

Some ould bird he had lying around.

Kuva

I was after a bit of real black pudding one time, never came across such a pack of liars in the one profession as butchers.

aabarnes1

Please.... enlighten us

.red.

aabarnes1 wrote: »

I suppose I am severely disjointed given that Christmas dinner was ruined so I suppose a refund and an apology would be nice from him thats what I'd be looking for.

Freeze it and bring it back to them, otherwise its sitting in your fridge getting worse.
I worked in a deli before and these things happen. Not much consolation to you now tho.

beertons

Bin it, but go back to him when he opens next and tell him. It might not be his fault, the stock he got might have been Dodgey.

beechwood55

Why on earth did you wash the chicken??? What does that achieve???

aabarnes1

beechwood55 wrote: »

Why on earth did you wash the chicken??? What does that achieve???

Your response is neither helpful nor courteous.

august12

beechwood55 wrote:

Why on earth did you wash the chicken??? What does that achieve???

I wouldn't normally wash a chicken but in this case, I would do exactly the same if I was met with such an offensive smell, would probably power hose it if I could.

njs030

Jett Worried Piano wrote: »

Bringing it to the butcher's is pointless several days later.

Oh yeah they probably won't be open until wed!

splinter65

I arrived in my late mother in laws house one Christmas Day evening many years ago (I’d been in work) and was invited to help myself to cold turkey and ham etc.
On picking up the half eaten bird I knew in an instant that it was rotten.
They intended to eat it again of course on Stephens Day and I felt awful telling her that not only had she probably poisoned her family but it would have to go in the bin.
These things happen.
Butcher didn’t deliberately give you a bad bird.
Tell him and he’ll compensate you I’m sure.

beechwood55

OP - you could have made yourself a lot sicker from the splashing caused by washing the chicken !

http://www.safefood.eu/Food-Safety/Don-t-Wash-Raw-Chicken.aspx

Better get the boiling water out and start scrubbing down all the surfaces you have splashed rotten chicken all over..

Cabaal

aabarnes1 wrote: »

Your response is neither helpful nor courteous.

You might not think so but you were very foolish to wash a raw chicken, for your own sake please don't do such a thing in future as you are only making things worse.


http://www.safefood.eu/Blog/Blog/November-2014/Don%e2%80%99t-wash-your-chicken!.aspx

njs030

aabarnes1 wrote: »

Your response is neither helpful nor courteous.

Neither is yours.

It's really dangerous to wash a chicken as the bacteria lives on the skin so when you wash it you splash it everywhere and transfer it onto your hands which you then touch things all over the house with... It's a quick and easy way to make people really sick.

Anything dangerous will be killed while it's cooking, cold water doesn't kill bacteria and if it was that smelly a wash isn't going to change much.

I think the post was quite helpful as it brought up a point that people didn't seem aware of.

coleslaw

aabarnes1 wrote: »

Pre ordered a fresh free range bird from my local butcher a couple of days ago and collected it early Christmas eve, straight home into the fridge, (less than 10 mins).
Opened the bag it came in Christmas morning, only to met by a strong smell akin to rotten eggs. I was a bit concerned, the colour and texture looked ok
so I thoroughly washed the bird and roasted for 200 minutes at 175c, still smelled a bit 'sour' after it cooled down so didn't eat it. Xmas dinner ruined.
What are my options please if any one knows, I can't find much info regarding butchers shops. There was no sell by or use by on the bag.
Thanks in advance.:mad:

did you really roast a chicken for 200 minutes or am i reading wrong,also as said washing a chicken is not advised and free range birds can also taste and smell a bit more gamier then the usual chicken but if in dought through it out or freeze it until butcher is back to work,I'm sure they will understand. sorry my mistake i thought i seen you bought a free range chicken doh to much christmas drinks happy holidays

flaneur

Boiling water actually doesn't do much unless you're immersing things in it for a few minutes. Just pouring it onto surfaces might leave live bacteria and bacterial spores.

Put on rubber gloves and clean down the sink surfaces with a bleachy cleaner. Clean the tap very thoroughly. Rinse everything very well.

Clean all other surfaces with a good kitchen cleaner. Dry with paper.

If any cloths or sponges were exposed to raw chicken, either throw them away, or put them into a large pot and boil for at least a few minutes.

sydthebeat

coleslaw wrote: »

did you really roast a chicken for 200 minutes or am i reading wrong,also as said washing a chicken is not advised and free range birds can also taste and smell a bit more gamier then the usual chicken but if in dought through it out or freeze it until butcher is back to work,I'm sure they will understand. sorry my mistake i thought i seen you bought a free range chicken doh to much christmas drinks happy holidays

#than#
#doubt#
#throw#
#i'd#
#hellapunctuation#

coleslaw

sydthebeat wrote: »

#than#
#doubt#
#throw#
#i'd#
#hellapunctuation#

yeah dyslexia is a lot of fun for me to,and yes i did have to google how to spell that cheers

coleslaw

sydthebeat wrote: »

#than#
#doubt#
#throw#
#i'd#
#hellapunctuation#

its posts like that is why i don't post much,happy christmas anyway

njs030

sydthebeat wrote: »

#than#
#doubt#
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#i'd#
#hellapunctuation#

*I'd
Capital letter please.

Hellapunctuation indeed

flaneur

coleslaw wrote: »

its posts like that is why i don't post much,happy christmas anyway

Merry Xmas to you too!

Ignore posts like that. If someone has nothing to add other than do be aggressively (and ironically) critical of someone's grammar and punctuation, they're really not adding much.

Just hit the report button on the post. That kind of nonsense just derails threads.

coleslaw

flaneur wrote: »

Merry Xmas to you too!

Ignore posts like that. If someone has nothing to add other than do be aggressively (and ironically) critical of someone's grammar and punctuation, they're really not adding much.

Just hit the report button on the post. That kind of nonsense just derails threads.

thank you it can take a while to make a post sometimes,anyway i can advise on cooking as that is where i have experience,its nice to see the last couple of posts cheers:D

rubadub

Jett Worried Piano wrote: »

If it's a proper craft butcher's then go in and tell them about it.

aabarnes1 wrote: »

He's an independent butcher, not sure what constitutes 'craft'.

They can fork out cash for a sign on the door that calls them officially "craft", they can be the filthiest scumbags you have ever met. You can read it here, seems to be no real rules or auditing at all
https://www.craftbutchers.ie/difference/

People put way to much trust in "the butchers" I remember cringing at the time around the horsemeat scandal, the likes of Darina Allen going on about "the butchers" as they 100% of them are a chain and totally beyond reproach. Then people give this laughably vague defense/advice of "oh you have to find a good one, the one you came across was obviously bad."

Jett Worried Piano wrote: »

Bringing it to the butcher's is pointless several days later.

Maggie Marie wrote: »

Keeping a chicken for a few more days until butcher opens is unhygienic.

It is at least alleged proof they did not eat it, once cooked you "reset" the "best before" date so a cooked chicken should be OK several days later. If I was a butcher I would certainly appreciate a customer bringing it back as evidence.

beechwood55 wrote: »

Why on earth did you wash the chicken??? What does that achieve???

Seems quite obvious to me, I guess they wondered if the smell was superficial and just on the surface for some reason and so hoped that washing it might remove it, I would have done the same as a last resort on christmas day, though I would never normally wash one. Not everybody is a complete fcuking moron and washes meat under a powerful tap spraying contamination everywhere -I am very well aware of the advice against washing chicken and would have done it in a manner I know was safe.

It's really dangerous to wash a chicken as the bacteria lives on the skin so when you wash it you splash it everywhere and transfer it onto your hands which you then touch things all over the house with... It's a quick and easy way to make people really sick.

This is why I would consciously & deliberately decide not to do this...

L1011

No more spelling/grammar corrections

Pelvis

flaneur wrote: »

If any cloths or sponges were exposed to raw chicken, either throw them away, or put them into a large pot and boil for at least a few minutes.

What? If I use a sponge to clean a knife I've just used to cut up raw chicken, I'm supposed to either boil it or throw it away after?

beechwood55

Yes. Raw chicken is one of the biggest causes of serious food poisoning.

njs030

Pelvis wrote: »

What? If I use a sponge to clean a knife I've just used to cut up raw chicken, I'm supposed to either boil it or throw it away after?

Well hopefully you wouldnt just give the knife a wipe and think it's clean of bacteria? It needs to be properly washed in hot water and a cleaning agent like washing up liquid before using it again.
Yes if you do what you've just suggested both your sponge AND knife are now covered in potentially deadly bacteria which you're going to spread everywhere.
It could be fine for you because you're used to it but introduce that to someone with a low immune system, an elderly person or a baby and you could make them very, very unwell.

Starting to see how so many people get stomach problems tbh.

Kuva

notjustsweet wrote: »

Starting to see how so many people get stomach problems tbh.

How did we survive before we were told to stop washing chicken? It's only a few years ago it was common practice.

Why does Ireland have the highest levels of this bacteria on chickens by a mile compared to other EU countries?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/ireland-has-highest-rate-of-poultry-food-poisoning-bacteria-in-europe-176210

We really have an anything goes in the food industry here when you look back over the years.

I was just reading a story about free range the other day and they way farmers here get around the requirements, sham is all it is.

L1011

I only heard of people washing chicken in the past few years. Odd American idea.

Rubberchikken

If its a butchers you go to regularly theres no need to bring in the chicken. Just explaining the issue should have a fresh chicken or your money back no question. Im going on our butchers. Mind you we've never had any issue with any of their meat but i know if there was it would be sorted quickly.

rubadub

Pelvis wrote: »

What? If I use a sponge to clean a knife I've just used to cut up raw chicken, I'm supposed to either boil it or throw it away after?

If you are one of the totally clueless morons that so many here presume most people are then yes, throw it out. If you did not wear gloves you might consider amputation. Stay indoors too, it's dangerous out there.

Kuva wrote: »

How did we survive before we were told to stop washing chicken? It's only a few years ago it was common practice.

Never heard of it being common practice. Any reference to this?, like old cooking books or something? If you did find instructions I would they told you to splash it all around the place like some here like to think.

I find it amusing to see some chefs on tv making a point of saying they have washed their hand before handling meat, even though it is going to be cooked -and then going on to cross contaminate everything within sight.

Kuva

rubadub wrote: »

Never heard of it being common practice. Any reference to this?, like old cooking books or something? If you did find instructions I would they told you to splash it all around the place like some here like to think..

http://www.thejournal.ie/raw-chicken-washing-1522529-Jun2014/

57% that says.

A few years ago I knew no one that didn't wash it.

njs030

Kuva wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/raw-chicken-washing-1522529-Jun2014/

57% that says.

A few years ago I knew no one that didn't wash it.

Possibly in those days people didn't know how dangerous it was and how much bacteria they were spreading that would be killed by cooking anyway.

rubadub

Kuva wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/raw-chicken-washing-1522529-Jun2014/

57% that says.

A few years ago I knew no one that didn't wash it.

I can't recall ever seeing it being done at home or in others houses. I heard of some in threads here years ago doing it as the chicken had faeces on it.

notjustsweet wrote: »

Possibly in those days people didn't know how dangerous it was and how much bacteria they were spreading that would be killed by cooking anyway.

or many possibly did it in a non dangerous way, well aware of the contamination risks.

njs030

rubadub wrote: »

I can't recall ever seeing it being done at home or in others houses. I heard of some in threads here years ago doing it as the chicken had faeces on it.


or many possibly did it in a non dangerous way, well aware of the contamination risks.

OK..possibly they were aware of salmonella and possibly they weren't.
I really don't see the issue with the general public being warned not to wash raw chicken and splash very dangers bacteria all over the place for no reason.
There's no 'non dangerous' way to wash raw chicken. It's a pointless and silly thing to do. It leaves bacteria all over the sink for no reason whatsoever.
It's a pretty petty thing to be making smart comments about tbh.

Xterminator

look this discussion about washing a chicken is silly. for years the advice was to wash chicken before cooking, and there are benefits. Today's advice is not to was as the risks outweigh the benefits.

As we didnt have an apocalypse then; we can infer that washing your chicken is not akin to taking the pin out of a hand grenade.

If the chicken has sweated significantly, by all means wash it carefully - making sure you don't cross contaminate surfaces, utensils etc, and wash surfaces & hands immediately when finished.

listermint

Appears Tesco had a big problem with this Tesco UK mostly

Tesco apologises after dozens of UK customers complain of 'rancid' Christmas turkeys http://jrnl.ie/3771057

CeilingFly

listermint wrote: »

Appears Tesco had a big problem with this Tesco UK mostly

Tesco apologises after dozens of UK customers complain of 'rancid' Christmas turkeys http://jrnl.ie/3771057

no, a very minor problem, but because a few twitterers threw it up on twitter the sensationalist hysterical medie creat a story over it.

Rememebr there are very few real journalists in newspapers anymore and probably none workign over christms, so the interns look at twitter and facebook and come up with the most god awful sensationalist sh1te and some people then believe it as a "major issue"

At a guess Tesco sold about 5 million Turkeys last week - about 4 people went on twitter to say they had issues. And in 4 different parts of the country and 4 totally different turkey products.

The intern second rate journalists then take the twitter comments as gospel and create a sensational headline.

And that's why the number of people buying papers has dwindled so quickly - cos what is written is utter rubbish

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

CeilingFly wrote: »

no, a very minor problem, but because a few twitterers threw it up on twitter the sensationalist hysterical medie creat a story over it.

Rememebr there are very few real journalists in newspapers anymore and probably none workign over christms, so the interns look at twitter and facebook and come up with the most god awful sensationalist sh1te and some people then believe it as a "major issue"

At a guess Tesco sold about 5 million Turkeys last week - about 4 people went on twitter to say they had issues. And in 4 different parts of the country and 4 totally different turkey products.

The intern second rate journalists then take the twitter comments as gospel and create a sensational headline.

And that's why the number of people buying papers has dwindled so quickly - cos what is written is utter rubbish

I accept is was a small percentage but Tesco, on the BBC say they sold hundreds of thousands of turkeys, not millions let alone 5 million. And 'dozens of customers' were affected, not 4. And all were full turkeys, in this report, not 4 different products.

flaneur

Pelvis wrote: »

What? If I use a sponge to clean a knife I've just used to cut up raw chicken, I'm supposed to either boil it or throw it away after?

You should put your cloths into a pot and boil for around 5 minutes after dealing with raw chicken.

If you don't have a dishwasher throw the utensils you used into it too.

A dishwasher generally uses harsher detergent with protein denaturing enzymes and peroxide type bleaches and it holds the dishes at 75° for a good long time. Very little could survive that.

CeilingFly

Jett Worried Piano wrote: »

I accept is was a small percentage but Tesco, on the BBC say they sold hundreds of thousands of turkeys, not millions let alone 5 million. And 'dozens of customers' were affected, not 4. And all were full turkeys, in this report, not 4 different products.

Yep, got the number wrong. - Thinks of overall population rather than family units.

10 million Turkeys sold at xmas. Tesco have 28% of the grocery market. Allowing for butchers, Tesco sold about 1 million turkeys.

I saw three totally different product mentioned in the twitter report. A turkey crown in a foil tray, a fresh turkey and a one where they cooked the turkey without taking giblets out. (can't blame tesco for plain stupidity)

Only 4 were mentioned in the article.

Even if it was a dozen - out of 1 million? Storm in a sensationalist teacup