Sicario 2: Soldado

Agent Coulson

Sicario 2: Soldado will debut June 29, 2018

Though not a direct sequel to 2015’s Sicario, Soldado does see the return of Academy Award winner Benicio Del Toro as Alejandro Gillick and Josh Brolin as CIA Agent Matt Graver. The pair find themselves once again in the middle of the escalating war against drugs along the border of the United States and Mexico.

Also starring in Soldado are Matthew Modine (Stranger Things, Full Metal Jacket), Catherine Keener (Get Out, The 40 Year Old Virgin), Manuel Garcia-Rulfo (The Magnificent Seven, Murder on the Orient Express) and Jeffrey Donovan (Burn Notice, Fargo).

Italian director Stefano Sollima (Gomorra, A.C.A.B.) directs the film, which once again was written by screenwriter Taylor Sheridan (Wind River).

Slydice

Well, that's me excited!

Looks like they are keeping the trailer going with the tenseness feel

jones

Looks class

Utopia Parkway

Hopefully there is something as good as the brilliantly tense border shoot out scene in the first one.

Slydice

Some scene! Just rewatched this analysis on it:

The original combined Director Denis Villeneuve and Writter Taylor Sheridan.

The border scene analysis points to alot of direction going into making the tension. Sheridan would've written it but much of the delivery was Villeneuve so I dunno about it being reproduced in the sequel.

Villeneuve has gone on to make Blade Runner 2049
Sheridan has written and directed Wind River

Both top films. Can again see top direction from Villeneuve and writing from Sheridan.

Now, Sicario 2: Soldado is combined Director Stefano Sollima and Writter Taylor Sheridan.

So new Director Sollima will be on display here. I've see he worked on Suburra and I think I read that it was supposed to have been well done:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburra_(film)
It's on my to-watch list and sounds like it could be fairly tense PLUS it got a followup tv series green lit

So... someone go to netflix, check out Suburra for us and report back! .. I mean.. you know.. if you want.. or whatever

yabadabado

Suburra is too notch.TV show anyways

Slydice

Rewatched Sicario.

All hyped up for this now.

7 Months!

So many elements changed. Disney hoovered up the 2 FBI agents (Emily Blunt doing Mary Poppins.. Y'all .. and Daniel Kaluuya in Black Panther.. he was yer man in Get Out too!)

Jeffrey Donovan still there so good chance of a tactical gunfight.

Matthew Modine, the mad scientist from season one of Stranger Things is joining the cast. Will see what he brings.

corcaigh1

Sicario is a top show, cant wait for this!

Agent Coulson

Slydice

Fixed link:

Slydice

Starring Thanos and Cable!

Agent Coulson

Out next Friday.

Gamb!t

As much as Id like to see a bit more, I find a lot of the trailers these days have too many spoilers so I'l have to wait til next week.

2smiggy

after seeing this thread , I rewatched last night. can't wait for it now !!

joe40

Excited about this one, but a pity emily blunt isn't in it. Her character was the most interesting in sicario

nix

joe40 wrote: »

Excited about this one, but a pity emily blunt isn't in it. Her character was the most interesting in sicario

Yeah but kinda glad they didnt when thinking about it, her inclusion, they likely would have went down the predictable route of her facing off and more than likely killing Benicio, after he racks up a body count of course. Though her having a smaller part in it could have worked

Padraig Mor

I loved Sicario but is it my imagination that - based on the trailer at least - the sequel seems to be a bit of a rehash, down to individual scenes?

corcaigh1

nix wrote: »

Yeah but kinda glad they didnt when thinking about it, her inclusion, they likely would have went down the predictable route of her facing off and more than likely killing Benicio, after he racks up a body count of course. Though her having a smaller part in it could have worked

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I loved Sicario but is it my imagination that - based on the trailer at least - the sequel seems to be a bit of a rehash, down to individual scenes?

The movie is not in cinemas until friday, can we at least wait until after the weekend to discuss what if or what could be...

nix

corcaigh1 wrote: »

The movie is not in cinemas until friday, can we at least wait until after the weekend to discuss what if or what could be...

Why?

Shred

I caught this last night in Vue for free thanks to sky, it was pretty good I thought, both my mate and I really enjoyed it. My memory of three first is a little sketchy tbh so I can't give a comparison but, taking that into account, it feels as though it's got a harder edge to it than the first and it's definitely worth a watch. I really liked the score too, it had shades of Blade Runner 2049 to it I thought.

Mikenesson

I just rewatched the original ,I think it's what i'd call a popcorn type movie 5/10

Pure cringe watching the 4 bodies hanging "welcome to Juarez"

I'll go to see this anyhow

alchemist33

Sicario is one of the best movies I've watched in the last five years. This one surely can't be as good but I'm hoping.

yabadabado

Mikenesson wrote: »

I just rewatched the original ,I think it's what i'd call a popcorn type movie 5/10

Pure cringe watching the 4 bodies hanging "welcome to Juarez"

I'll go to see this anyhow

Afaik that does happen with some regularity.

Agent Coulson

Google bodies hanging from bridges in Mexico and see it's not cringe.


Looking forward to seeing this and might go tomorrow to escape the heat in an nice air conditioned cinema.

Mikenesson

yabadabado wrote: »

Afaik that does happen with some regularity.

It does

When you've been around long enough to remember Dirty Harry and the Streets of San Fransisco you find that crime movies and TV shows are mostly a rehash of old scenes with new faces

It's annoying but down to ratings I guess

yabadabado

Why did you think it was pure cringe ?

Mikenesson

yabadabado wrote: »

Why did you think it was pure cringe ?

It does happen, but of course the bodies happened to be there at that particular time when entering juarez

I'm still not sure why they were using a convoy to escort the prisoner when they had all those choppers at their disposal?

I'll prob get shot down for missing the obvious there?

Agent Coulson

Cartel's in Mexico have a history of shooting down helicopters.

So I would imagine a convoy with special forces would be a more secure way of doing it.


Also more important it's just a movie trying to be entertaining.

Mikenesson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Cartel's in Mexico have a history of shooting down helicopters.

So I would imagine a convoy with special forces would be a more secure way of doing it.


Also more important it's just a movie trying to be entertaining.

Fair enough

Mikenesson

One other thing while I'm being hyper critical

Where the hell did del Toro get his military expertise?

Wasn't he a lawyer?

billybonkers

Mikenesson wrote: »

One other thing while I'm being hyper critical

Where the hell did del Toro get his military expertise?

Wasn't he a lawyer?

After his family was slaughtered by the Mexican cartel he became a sicario. So I imagine he got training from the Medellín Cartel/CIA as he worked for them both

nix

You should probably watch the movie again, with less focus on your popcorn this time :rolleyes::pac:

pixelburp

I've heard Sicario described as many things, but never a 'popcorn' movie, or else I'm left wondering if I've been eating the wrong kind all this time?

Ostensibly an 'action thriller' yes, but it was as dark, immoral & grimy descent into the most hellish reaches of the drug cartel war - a war that the movie makes quite clear the US has lost. Even the nominal protagonist in Emily Blunt was left a bit of a ghost, effectively a passenger by the films end, 'cos who can even stall these particular wheels from turning?

I'm kinda surprised this is getting a sequel, Sicario felt like one of those stories that didn't need a follow-up. I'd be worried it'll be too in love with DelToro & Brolin's characters, eager to make them gun-ho heroes, to retain that sense of sickly corruption the first film had.

Sad Professor

I haven't seen it yet, but my concern is that it gets lost in the nihilistic and technological spectacle of the war on drugs, the very thing the first film avoiding doing by centring itself on Blunt. She wasn't just the audience character, she was also someone with actual moral values. The fact that she's mostly along for the ride and ends up sidelined at the end emphasises how ****ed up that world is, much more so than if it had just been about de Toro and Brolin chewing ice picks and riding Black Hawks.

joe40

I really enjoyed sicario. One of my favourite film in years. Already watched it a few times. I'm no movie expert, but what really struck was the music, it really built the tension. I know people get different things from.movies but for me the convoy scene into juarez was just amazing. Really looking forward to this but it can't be a rehash of the original without emily blunt

ktulu123

Went to the cineworld screening the other night, film is class.

Agent Coulson

That was fantastic.

I can't wait to watch it again.

I love Taylor Sheridan stories.


Hoping now we get a third one.

Mikenesson

I'm looking forward to this ,it's one for the cinema for sure

I'll see how it starts before I buy any popcorn

nix

Mikenesson wrote: »

I'm looking forward to this ,it's one for the cinema for sure

I'll see how it starts before I buy any popcorn

Just eat when there is no conversation happening :P:D

DeepBlue

Great flick, great performances. At least as good as the first film and probably better on first impression. Very visceral especially what happens in the opening attack. Only downside for me is that I found the ending a bit poor but balanced out by the tenseness and "edge of seatedness" of the rest of the film.

corcaigh1

DeepBlue wrote: »

Great flick, great performances. At least as good as the first film and probably better on first impression. Very visceral especially what happens in the opening attack. Only downside for me is that I found the ending a bit poor but balanced out by the tenseness and "edge of seatedness" of the rest of the film.

Yeah great show, wont say too much here yet. I expected the story to take a differnet direction but it was most definitely enjoyable. Cant wait for the next one!

SimonTemplar

I saw the first one in The Lighthouse and I am disappointed to see it isn't showing this but it is showing Ocean's 8. I would have thought Sicario 2 would have a greater appeal to The Lighthouse than Oceans 8.

Irish_rat

Great film, finally getting worth of a cinema ticket after so much marvel dross.

humberklog

I was looking forward to this.
It was mostly well acted and had the essence of a good storyline but I found it all over the place. So many bits of the film stretched credibility or simply didnt make sense to me.

I see I'm in the minority here but my other half had the exact same criticisms
I wonder was it because Costa is gone from my local cinema that we hadn't got the usual burst of caffeine to maintain attention.

SimonTemplar

Irish_rat wrote: »

Great film, finally getting worth of a cinema ticket after so much marvel dross.

There are over 200 films released each year and only 2 or 3 of them are from Marvel.

JP Liz V1

Brolin is having some year

Mikenesson

humberklog wrote: »

I was looking forward to this.
It was mostly well acted and had the essence of a good storyline but I found it all over the place. So many bits of the film stretched credibility or simply didnt make sense to me.

I see I'm in the minority here but my other half had the exact same criticisms
I wonder was it because Costa is gone from my local cinema that we hadn't got the usual burst of caffeine to maintain attention.

Did you have popcorn?

humberklog

Mikenesson wrote: »

Did you have popcorn?

Nope. Water and 2 squares of dark chocolate.

T'was confused and disappointed staring at the empty space where Costa stood. Kinda had the same feeling about the movie:pac:.

corcaigh1

So, you want to be a Sicario?

Bacchus

Watched this last night, having loved the first one. In a lot of ways it captures the intensity and unease of Sicario but the second half of the movie was a let down for me. Having started out firing on all cylinders and settling into an interesting central plot, it just

turns it on it's head after the attack on the convoy. Now, I enjoy the fact that they were brave enough to take those liberties with the plot and it did make it feel a bit more authentic... sh*t happens, plans change. However, I just didn't find the direction they went in all that interesting, and I didn't find the way they executed that new direction to be very satisfying. The tying up of the two strands with the kid who recognized del Toro was too obvious. Neutering Brolin's team for a big chunk of the movie felt like a waste. The time they spent with del Toro connecting with the girl instead, and speaking about his own daughter was almost worth it for that sucker punch. I was genuinely stunned (and a bit gutted) when they killed him, but when they cut back to the shot of his "body" it ruined it for me. Having him survive the shot to the head (even though ok fine it went through his cheek) was a cop out to me.

Also, I felt this movie tried and failed to live up the the ramping up of tension (despite the use of the awesome foreboding soundtrack of the first Sicario) building to a flurry of action.

There's an obvious parallel to the border scene in Sicario with the convoy scene in this, but it wasn't half as good. That border crossing in Sicario was such an excellent scene that was built up soooo much (there's a cool YouTube video that goes into it). It was a very high standard to follow and the convoy scene missed that mark. There was so much potential built up with the scenarios they had discussed around the various extractions, fighting their way out, cartel clashes, etc. that I feel like they tried to sell that just to subvert expectations... and it was a cheap trick when what they did deliver ends up being an imitation of a scene from Sicario. The convoy scene should have been the audience bait scene playing on expectations from Sicario. Just my opinion though from the comfort of my keyboard.

Overall enjoyable but not close to Sicario in story or execution. I'd put Sicario as a 9/10. This is a 7/10.

Brief_Lives

That was intense.... i loved it... I was prepared for it to not be as good as the first one... but ... that was a class movie.