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Double Gameweek/Blank Gameweek planning

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭clairewithani


    km79 wrote: »
    He was
    And in a different position
    Id have feckin had him myself if he had been playing where he was tonight
    But I have Mata



    Anyway my master plan is coming to fruition
    Next I shall advise everyone to sell Kane

    I know he was. Was joking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,131 ✭✭✭✭km79


    I know he was. Was joking.

    Don't worry so was I
    Except about selling Kane

    Do it



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    I have to say they have got it right with the free hit. Its an excellent chip especially compared to that All out attack which was pointless. Free hit the most valuable chip but if it goes wrong for you it can cost you points also there are numerous weeks it can be used. The safe bet is to use it in a blank as you are guaranteed an increase in points on the score you would have got. I think gws like this it has more potential though. I'm probably going to play it in the big dgw.

    Agree. I was initially a big critic of it. But once you see the potential of it beyond the obvious 'blank GW bail out' it's a very powerful chip, second only to the wildcard.

    I've always felt it would be good for a small DGW like this. Using in the big DGW would be great but depends whether you have a good opportunity to play BB or TC which completely depends on the fixtures.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    Jumping in here as we're talking about the value of a Free Hit:

    Was discussed before when I (and many others) used the FH (around GW 8 or so it may have been, when Kane was injured for one match)?

    How much value, in FF points, is the FH worth in your opinion? How many more points do you need to make with your FH for it to be considered a success?

    I previously said 25 points. (i.e. over 25 = good use of FH, under 25 = bad use)

    Would people here agree?

    (Mine was a failure by the way. Think I made about 17 points or so on it. Blanking on Sanchez captain was the decider).


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    Morzadec wrote: »
    Jumping in here as we're talking about the value of a Free Hit:

    Was discussed before when I (and many others) used the FH (around GW 8 or so it may have been, when Kane was injured for one match)?

    How much value, in FF points, is the FH worth in your opinion? How many more points do you need to make with your FH for it to be considered a success?

    I previously said 25 points. (i.e. over 25 = good use of FH, under 25 = bad use)

    Would people here agree?

    (Mine was a failure by the way. Think I made about 17 points or so on it. Blanking on Sanchez captain was the decider).

    I'd value free hit higher that 25. Just a bit though.

    I think a wildcard played well can give you a boost of up to 50 points over a few weeks.

    Free Hit 25 points would be decent but it has potential to return a lot more. 30 to 50 possibly.

    Bench boost I think anything over 20 is very good. 30 plus is superb.

    Triple Cap I think 10 to 15 is decent. 15 to 20 is good. 20 to 30 is superb.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,355 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Morzadec wrote: »
    Was discussed before when I (and many others) used the FH (around GW 8 or so it may have been, when Kane was injured for one match)?

    How much value, in FF points, is the FH worth in your opinion? How many more points do you need to make with your FH for it to be considered a success?

    I previously said 25 points. (i.e. over 25 = good use of FH, under 25 = bad use)
    25 sounds about right.

    I still think using it on a skinny or double gameweek is your best chance to maximize it. On average there'll be a bad week where you either have a skinny week when you only 6 players playing or a DGW where you only have 6 DGW players. If you play it that week you can get another 5 "90 minutes" out of your team. If those 5 players get you an extra 5 points each that sounds like a success.

    On a normal week, you're only replacing players you have with other players, so picking an optimal team that scores 75 points over your normal team that scores 50 points seems about right, any more than that and I'd be happy.

    Think anything over 25 would be great but I'd take 25 points for it right now if you offered it to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    25 sounds about right.

    I still think using it on a skinny or double gameweek is your best chance to maximize it. On average there'll be a bad week where you either have a skinny week when you only 6 players playing or a DGW where you only have 6 DGW players. If you play it that week you can get another 5 "90 minutes" out of your team. If those 5 players get you an extra 5 points each that sounds like a success.

    On a normal week, you're only replacing players you have with other players, so picking an optimal team that scores 75 points over your normal team that scores 50 points seems about right, any more than that and I'd be happy.

    Think anything over 25 would be great but I'd take 25 points for it right now if you offered it to me.

    For me it was a huge amount of injuries / suspensions which would have caused me to field only 8 or 9 players, many of them were supposed to be short-term injuries and were players I wanted to keep long-term (e.g. Coutinho and Kane).

    My rationale was that I expected about 35 - 40 points from my normal team vs a projected 70 points or so from my FH team (=30 - 35 points profit = worth it)

    In the end it was I think 38 from my normal team (so got that spot on), but just 55 or so from my FH team.

    So a poor decision ultimately, although a Sanchez goal at home to Swansea would have seen it all come up roses.

    Ultimately what was really poor about my decision was that what I thought were just temporary 1 week problems with my normal team ended up being long term problems that I had to use points hits to fix in later weeks (e.g. Cout injury ended up being longer than expected, my poor defence needed to be fixed with hits to get 11 players out).

    I should have just taken an 8-12 point hit to get my bench in shape that week in hindsight, would have been a more profitable long term move.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    Worked mine out.

    On the assumption Hazard gets 3BP and I captained Sterling(I would have) I'd have finished this week on 59 points. As I had no DGW players.

    I currently have:

    56 with 6 to play.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Worked mine out.

    On the assumption Hazard gets 3BP and I captained Sterling(I would have) I'd have finished this week on 59 points. As I had no DGW players.

    I currently have:

    56 with 6 to play.

    Surely you would have signed a dgw player to captain and would you have taken hits . This is where it gets complicated as you cant compare it to the team you finished last gw with. It has to be to the team you would have had starting this gw.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,812 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    If I didn't take hits and just brought in Kane I'd be on 30 with Kane to play. Only 9 players fielded.

    Now I'm on 44(-12) with 4 to play.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Surely you would have signed a dgw player to captain and would you have taken hits . This is where it gets complicated as you cant compare it to the team you finished last gw with. It has to be to the team you would have had starting this gw.

    I haven't replied for this very reason.

    Not even I know what I would have done as deadline approached.

    They only thing I know is that the FH meant I wasn't TC'ing Kane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 929 ✭✭✭Markx


    I think the value of FH is not only in the week you play it but also (and perhaps more so) in all the transfers you don't spend that you otherwise would have setting yourself for that week.

    Even if you can use a wildcard to bail yourself out of a DGW or SGW that doesn't help with the lead up. You are no longer compromising yourself for several weeks beforehand.

    For example last season I held on to Phillips among others for way too long in the lead up to the SGW. Also I was irrationally trying to shoehorn in West Brom, Everton and Bournemouth players for about a month which I wouldn't have done that if I had intended on playing a free hit. It kinda messed up the end of the season for me.

    I’d guess FH is worth a lot more than 25 points on the basis of those transfers. But, since it’s almost intractable to work out the value of even 1 transfer (as it turns into a massive decision tree over the rest of the season) who knows.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Markx wrote: »
    I think the value of FH is not only in the week you play it but also (and perhaps more so) in all the transfers you don't spend that you otherwise would have setting yourself for that week.

    Even if you can use a wildcard to bail yourself out of a DGW or SGW that doesn't help with the lead up. You are no longer compromising yourself for several weeks beforehand.

    For example last season I held on to Phillips among others for way too long in the lead up to the SGW. Also I was irrationally trying to shoehorn in West Brom, Everton and Bournemouth players for about a month which I wouldn't have done that if I had intended on playing a free hit. It kinda messed up the end of the season for me.

    I’d guess FH is worth a lot more than 25 points on the basis of those transfers. But, since it’s almost intractable to work out the value of even 1 transfer (as it turns into a massive decision tree over the rest of the season) who knows.

    Ye that's very true. It is best if you commit to it a bit out. With this gw for example no need to get Wh players in weeks before, you could have sold Kane in gw21 for a 1 week punt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,361 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    If I hadn't done the free hit, I'm pretty sure I would have taken a -8 for Adrian and Aguero. My fts were Hazard and RLC to Son and Arnie. Salah, Dummett, Kenny didn't start.

    Current team: 35(-8) with 5 to go

    FH team has 58 with 6 to go.

    Looks like a resounding success so far.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    So far so good with my free hit.

    I would have used my ft and a hit to get kane for Morata.

    Current team 52 (-4) with Kane to play

    FH Team 59 with 6 to play

    I would agree that 25 points eould be the make or break point for it should get another 12 at least so need another 6 points, scoreless draw please.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    Ye that's very true. It is best if you commit to it a bit out. With this gw for example no need to get Wh players in weeks before, you could have sold Kane in gw21 for a 1 week punt.

    Markx is spot on. And yeah committing to FH in advance gives you more scope to benefit, which I did.

    However in this case getting Arnautovic in early would have been very beneficial (9, 7, 15 on lead in to the DGW) and sadly in my case I sold Kane for gw19 for a 3 week punt on DeBruyne who did feck all.

    Still happy with the free hit, and despite missing the Kane hattricks I'm flying up the rankings.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    The best stab I can have at what my non FH team would have been this weeks is:

    Pope 2
    Cresswell 7
    Jones 6
    Alonso 7
    KdB 12
    Alli 8
    Sterling 9
    Salah 0
    Arnie 5
    Kane TC 3
    Depoitre 1
    Total 60points

    That would have been for a -8 and would also have meant I didnt get Otamendi last week with my FT which would have cost me another 5 points. I'd only have Niasse 1 pointer to sub in for Salah, or I might have sold Salah for Son for another -4 (which I am glad I didnt do).

    Plus I'd have a few players that I don't want.

    So nett score from not playing Free Hit (so far) would be 60-8-5+1=48points with 4 to play (incl Cresswell).

    Free Hit score 68 with 6 to play (incl Cresswell).

    KDB is the hero of the non Free Hit team, if for some reason I'd sold him that team would have been a disaster, and I'd have used my TC on a DGW player who only played once (although Kane could still come good as TC tonight IMO)


    But so far I am up approx 20 points. That will reduce if Kane hauls, but I hope he does as it will still benefit my score this week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    FHFC wrote: »
    The best stab I can have at what my non FH team would have been this weeks is:

    Pope 2
    Cresswell 7
    Jones 6
    Alonso 7
    KdB 12
    Alli 8
    Sterling 9
    Salah 0
    Arnie 5
    Kane TC 3
    Depoitre 1
    Total 60points

    That would have been for a -8 and would also have meant I didnt get Otamendi last week with my FT which would have cost me another 5 points. I'd only have Niasse 1 pointer to sub in for Salah, or I might have sold Salah for Son for another -4 (which I am glad I didnt do).

    Plus I'd have a few players that I don't want.

    So nett score from not playing Free Hit (so far) would be 60-8-5+1=48points with 4 to play (incl Cresswell).

    Free Hit score 68 with 6 to play (incl Cresswell).

    KDB is the hero of the non Free Hit team, if for some reason I'd sold him that team would have been a disaster, and I'd have used my TC on a DGW player who only played once (although Kane could still come good as TC tonight IMO)


    But so far I am up approx 20 points. That will reduce if Kane hauls, but I hope he does as it will still benefit my score this week.
    Yeah, I haven’t calced it out yet but with Klavan, Hazard, KDB and Sterling in my original team (Sterling was in my free hit team too) I’d have still done well this week.

    But on 65 with Adrian, Cresswell, Arnautovic, Alli, Eriksen, Kane (c) tonight, I can’t see how I’m not gonna end up much better off than I would have been otherwise.

    Still clinging onto hopes of hitting the 100 mark, and I’ve likely not given away too much to the treble captainers all at the same time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Okay, time to analyse the success of the free hit.

    Non-Free Hit Team:

    The below is what I would have had this week with automatic subs taken into account. Speroni, Salah and Robertson didn't play. Naughton was suspended.

    Pickford | 2

    Christensen | 2
    Ogbonna | 4
    Dunk | 1

    Hazard | 10
    Sterling | 9
    Arnautovic | 5
    Zaha | 2

    Kane (TC) | 9
    Morata | 2
    Calvert-Lewin | 1


    Total = 47 points including triple captain, no points hit.

    Free Hit Team:

    Adrian | 6

    Otamendi | 2
    Ogbonna | 4
    Maguire | 6

    Son | 12
    Eriksen | 8
    Sterling | 9
    Arnautovic | 5
    Mahrez | 14

    Kane (C) | 6
    Aguero | 6

    Total = 78.

    So overall, a 31 point difference. Despite the many disappointments throughout the gameweek, it has to go down as a success.

    Only real regret is that if I had known De Bruyne was going to play, I'd have gone with him instead of Eriksen and Vertonghen instead of Otamendi (as I had that lined up provisionally before the end of the Palace v City game), which would have netted me an extra 11 points, but I don't think any of us could have realistically expected him to start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭kilburn


    I would consider the free hit team a success coming in with 80 points.

    Normal team ended on 54.

    Most importantly i took the lead in my work pay league by 20 points where my main rival TC Kane


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    FHFC wrote: »
    Pope 2
    Cresswell 7
    Jones 6
    Alonso 7
    KdB 12
    Alli 10
    Sterling 9
    Salah 0
    Arnie 5
    Kane TC 9
    Depoitre 1
    Total 68points

    That would have been for a -8 and would also have meant I didnt get Otamendi last week with my FT which would have cost me another 5 points. I'd only have Niasse 1 pointer to sub in for Salah, or I might have sold Salah for Son for another -4 (which I am glad I didnt do).

    Plus I'd have a few players that I don't want.

    So nett score from not playing Free Hit (so far) would be 68-8-5+1=55 points.

    Free Hit score 87

    Amended as above. Approx 31 point gain from the chip although there's some guesswork in that.

    It's possible I'd have bought Masuaka if I'd been planning ahead as I wouldn't have been certain I could afford Cresswell. May also have gone for Eriksen if I had to hold the spurs player for a few GWs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    Paully D wrote: »
    Okay, time to analyse the success of the free hit.

    Non-Free Hit Team:

    The below is what I would have had this week with automatic subs taken into account. Speroni, Salah and Robertson didn't play. Naughton was suspended.

    Pickford | 2

    Christensen | 2
    Ogbonna | 4
    Dunk | 1

    Hazard | 10
    Sterling | 9
    Arnautovic | 5
    Zaha | 2

    Kane (TC) | 9
    Morata | 2
    Calvert-Lewin | 1


    Total = 47 points including triple captain, no points hit.

    Free Hit Team:

    Adrian | 6

    Otamendi | 2
    Ogbonna | 4
    Maguire | 6

    Son | 12
    Eriksen | 8
    Sterling | 9
    Arnautovic | 5
    Mahrez | 14

    Kane (C) | 6
    Aguero | 6

    Total = 78.

    So overall, a 31 point difference. Despite the many disappointments throughout the gameweek, it has to go down as a success.

    Only real regret is that if I had known De Bruyne was going to play, I'd have gone with him instead of Eriksen and Vertonghen instead of Otamendi (as I had that lined up provisionally before the end of the Palace v City game), which would have netted me an extra 11 points, but I don't think any of us could have realistically expected him to start.

    But surely if not free hitting you'd have taken a hit or two to get more than 3 dgwers? Would you really not have sold Hazard for a spurs player?

    Great score. Well played. But I think your underestimating your gains.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,361 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Gained around 30 points overall with the free hit. Halved my rank from 240,000 to 120,000 so delighted with that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    FHFC wrote: »
    But surely if not free hitting you'd have taken a hit or two to get more than 3 dgwers? Would you really not have sold Hazard for a spurs player?

    Great score. Well played. But I think your underestimating your gains.

    The fact that there's 3 Spurs attackers in the FH team strongly suggested that Hazard would have been taken out for a Spurs mid imo. That could have been a FT too but wouldn't have changed much really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭Chesty08


    I used my Free Hit in GW10.
    My players were off form, a couple where injured and I had used a -12 point hit midweek. When using this hit I brought in Coutinho who had played the previous 5 games.
    News then broke that Coutinho was injured and both Kane & Aguero weren't going to feature. So I was left with no premium hitters, captaincy choice and nearing a -20 hit.
    I looked back and used the Free Hit, scored 58 points & had a captaincy fail on Sanchez at home to Swansea.
    Couting back my score of what players I would of had, it would of been 45 (-12). So in this GW there was a +25 points n return.
    However, and a big however, I went back to a team I was not happy with and ultimately made 8 transfers over 3 GW's costing me -20 in points


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,581 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    I'll stick this here as well (also posted to the Matchday thread) -

    So – played the Free Hit and relatively HEWT with 66.

    Like most weeks, there’s a tinge of frustration as it could/should have been so much more – Morgan missing the clean sheet is especially annoying.

    A nice jump in OR from 278K to 187K, and put some more distance at the top of my money league….but can’t help feeling it should have been so much better.

    So back to reality with my regular squad – assuming no transfer(s) my GW total this week would have been a whopping 28 points () I think:

    Courtois (1)
    Robertson (0) | Duffy (1) | Ogbonna (4) |Kenny (0)
    Hazard (10) | Salah (0) | Coutinho (0) | Richarlison (2)
    Morata (2) | Kane (6)
    Subs: Elliot (0) | Crouch (2) | Long (0)| Surman (0)

    Shocking stuff and major surgery required.

    So at the moment it seems that the Free Hit was a major success but not sure if the way I used it was strategically clever or not….will be better able to assess at the end of the season I guess.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,387 ✭✭✭✭Green&Red


    I took a -8 instead of the FH, ended up with 70. Captaining Son over Kane was the difference along with holding KDB.
    Hard to tell what I would have done but probably Hazard instead of KDB, would have dropped Jones for a spurs defender and probably Sane over Salah. Doubt I would have picked up Carroll, maybe Arnautovic
    So all in all happy to still have my FH and TC


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,131 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Sanchez going to city would change everything wouldn't it
    Even now I think there is still a chance sterling plays the role up front jesus did for some away/big games. Pep has not trusted kun in some games to do this.
    If Sanchez comes then the cat is well and truly amongst the pigeons

    I'll wait a few weeks


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,091 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    km79 wrote: »
    Sanchez going to city would change everything wouldn't it
    Even now I think there is still a chance sterling plays the role up front jesus did for some away/big games. Pep has not trusted kun in some games to do this.
    If Sanchez comes then the cat is well and truly amongst the pigeons

    I'll wait a few weeks

    If he was set to go I think I'd get him in as an Arsenal player and keep 4 City players for the rest of the season :)

    Why would I want to make a transfer anyway.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭shineon23


    Been thinking about this since Monday that I should have played free hit, but as I hadn't given it much thought there was no point rushing it. I was planning Kane TC since the fixture was announced and said I may as well follow through with it.

    Over the week I was thinking about what my free hit team would be and how itd fare against my TC team. And yes I actually would have had my annual one week fling with Big Handsome Andy Carroll as I bought him in both my draft teams. :p

    TC team scored 63(-4) points.
    Transfers were DDG and Willian out for Lloris and Arnautovic

    Lloris 8
    Jones 6
    Bellerin 8
    Francis 0
    Alonso 7
    Masuaku 3

    Arnautovic 5
    Sterling 9
    Richarlison 2 (subbed in for Salah)

    Kane (TC) 9
    Aguero (TVC)6

    Free Hit team would have scored 85 and would have been;

    Without been able to use TC, and having another Spurs attacker to choose, Id captained Alli who was guranteed more minutes, which doesn't really make a lot of sense, after I've wasted my TC on Kane.

    Adrian 6

    Jones 6
    Vertonghen 9
    Alonso 7

    Arnautovic 5
    Alli (C) 20
    Sterling 9
    Richarlison 2(?) .Not sure who I would have picked here would have had 7.9 ITB. Hindsight would have me picking a high scorer so no point saying someone else

    Aguero 6
    Kane (VC) 3
    Carroll 12

    Bench would have been cheapest players possible.

    Difference would have been 85 vs 59.

    So 26 and I'd still have my TC, which I always seem to mess up, and I'd have used up the chip that I'm not really sure how to play.

    As has been the trend all this season, not caring as much as other years and not paying close attention is costing me but it could have been a lot worse. I'm making steady ground in my private leagues in spite of myself and hope to sicken some rivals by catching them in the season run in :D:D


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