Rav 4 (2012), putting in seatbelts

CramCycle

Bought a Rav4 and am converting it from commercial to private, only to just realise (like an idiot) that the rear seatbelts in the back have been removed. I have everything else done, but just wondering are seat belts easy to install, do they cost alot or is it reasonable (cost wise) to just drop them into a garage and let them get a set and put them in?

colm_mcm

Get them from a scrapyard. 2 bolts.

VRT was paid as a car in Ireland before I hope?

mullingar

I assume it was a 2 seat commercial your converting to passenger.

If it was converted correctly, the seatbelt mounting points would have been welded closed. You need to see if the mounting points are there, hopefully they we just filled with epoxy, easiest way to check is with a drill bit.

Be warned, there may be a VRT implication in converting a 2 seater commercial jeep to a 5 seater passenger vehicle, have you included this in your costs?? This could be around €4k for a 12 reg if VRT was never paid!!!

Stoolbend

If it was previously a passenger car that was converted to commercial the mounting points for the seat belts could be welded.

If all the mounting points are there then it would be simple enough to source second hand parts and fit them.

colm_mcm

mullingar wrote: »

I assume it was a 2 seat commercial your converting to passenger.

If it was converted correctly, the seatbelt mounting points would have been welded closed. You need to see if the mounting points are there, hopefully they we just filled with epoxy, easiest way to check is with a drill bit.

Be warned, there may be a VRT implication in converting a 2 seater commercial jeep to a 5 seater passenger vehicle, have you included this in your costs?? This could be around €4k for a 12 reg if VRT was never paid!!!

Think if VRT was paid as a car then the rules were different regarding windows and floor, and possibly seat belt mountings.

If it's a uk import then full VRT may not have been paid.

mullingar

colm_mcm wrote: »

Think if VRT was paid as a car then the rules were different regarding windows and floor, and possibly seat belt mountings.

If it's a uk import then full VRT may not have been paid.

If it was originally an irish registered 5 seater and later converted to a 2 seater commercial then VRT would have been originally been paid so not a worry (not unless a refund was previously issued!) .

If it was originally registered NEW as a 2 seater commercial in Ireland and you wish to re-register as a 5 seater passenger vehicle, then a VRT payment is required

CramCycle

colm_mcm wrote: »

Get them from a scrapyard. 2 bolts.

VRT was paid as a car in Ireland before I hope?

It was, originally a Jap import as a passenger converted to a commercial. Although I am well aware, I could have been misled.

mullingar wrote: »

I assume it was a 2 seat commercial your converting to passenger.

If it was converted correctly, the seatbelt mounting points would have been welded closed. You need to see if the mounting points are there, hopefully they we just filled with epoxy, easiest way to check is with a drill bit.

Be warned, there may be a VRT implication in converting a 2 seater commercial jeep to a 5 seater passenger vehicle, have you included this in your costs?? This could be around €4k for a 12 reg if VRT was never paid!!!

Had me worried for a bit but it was a passenger before (I hope), this said I bargained reasonably well so it won't put me much above what I was originally willing to pay. Kick in the teeth though if I am wrong. I presume I have no come back though (bought from a garage), as I bought it as a commercial.

Stoolbend wrote: »

If it was previously a passenger car that was converted to commercial the mounting points for the seat belts could be welded.

If all the mounting points are there then it would be simple enough to source second hand parts and fit them.

The centre seat belt was not welded so I am hoping the others are not. Will pull off the plastic covering tomorrow to check the sides.

Thanks for all the help.

CramCycle

mullingar wrote: »

If it was originally an irish registered 5 seater and later converted to a 2 seater commercial then VRT would have been originally been paid so not a worry (not unless a refund was previously issued!) .

If it was originally registered NEW as a 2 seater commercial in Ireland and you wish to re-register as a 5 seater passenger vehicle, then a VRT payment is required

This is worrying me a bit now as while the seller a garage had said it was imported as a passenger, I would wonder why they would have paid it considering they have had it as a commercial ever since.

I will report back on my humiliation on this when I hear back from the tax office.

thedeere

No such thing as a commercial rav4.

colm_mcm

thedeere wrote: »

No such thing as a commercial rav4.

Not sold new by Toyota Ireland, but that's what the OP has.

CramCycle

thedeere wrote: »

No such thing as a commercial rav4.

colm_mcm wrote: »

Not sold new by Toyota Ireland, but that's what the OP has.

Its a Rav4 with the rear seats removed and taxed commercially. It was not originally commercial.

mullingar

It must have been converted as soon as it got off the ferry and then registered here, massive vrt savings as it was registered as a 2 seat commercial.

thedeere

Vrt will need to be payable and it will become private tax clas then.

CramCycle

mullingar wrote: »

It must have been converted as soon as it got off the ferry and then registered here, massive vrt savings as it was registered as a 2 seat commercial.

I hope not as the garage said it was private originally, glad I negotiated him down though as the hit won't be quite as bad,

Atlantic Dawn

It will be so much hassle it won't be worth it. Insurance will be a similar mess.

CramCycle

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

It will be so much hassle it won't be worth it. Insurance will be a similar mess.

Insurance is done, all they wanted was an engineers report that the seats were fitted back to spec. 100euro + VAT

Charged me 40 squid for the phone call though.

mullingar

Put the details into here to calculate the vrt.

https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2

Also check the CO2 emissions for the future tax as some rav4's are very expensive.

CramCycle

Checked earlier today, 5000, so slightly outside my budget. Just have to wait for the log book to come back.

In balls deep at this stage, so far the above is the only cost that may sting me. Garage said it was registered and tax paid on import but more the fool me, I never asked for it in writing, and bought as a commercial so pretty sure he can ignore me bar he is concerned I would stir ahit on social media but in reality, that just makes me look stupid for not being more through.

Pulled the plastic mould back this evening and the seat belts are there but they were cut for a quick tidy. My local garage have been good to get parts in the past for little more than I would get at the scrapyard so out of laziness I have asked them to look.

What should I expect to pay if I got them myself from a yard?

thedeere

Sell it and buy a private one unless you’re in love with it and have it named already.

CramCycle

mullingar wrote: »

Put the details into here to calculate the vrt.

https://www.ros.ie/evrt-enquiry/vrtenquiry.html?execution=e1s2

Also check the CO2 emissions for the future tax as some rav4's are very expensive.

Looks like CO2 charge will be about 750euro a year, which is what I paid on my old car. (emmissions are listed as 179 on the toyota website)

CramCycle wrote: »

Checked earlier today, 5000, so slightly outside my budget. Just have to wait for the log book to come back.

In balls deep at this stage, so far the above is the only cost that may sting me. Garage said it was registered and tax paid on import but more the fool me, I never asked for it in writing, and bought as a commercial so pretty sure he can ignore me bar he is concerned I would stir ahit on social media but in reality, that just makes me look stupid for not being more through.

Pulled the plastic mould back this evening and the seat belts are there but they were cut for a quick tidy. My local garage have been good to get parts in the past for little more than I would get at the scrapyard so out of laziness I have asked them to look.

What should I expect to pay if I got them myself from a yard?

So I somehow messed up the VRT, and it turns out it would have been 3014euro for private and it would have been 1154 for commercial, so a total difference of 1860euro, so not to bad and well under what I expected if I did get hit.

I have the SQI report done and the log book has been sent of to change it over to private. I was talking to them in Rosslare (they had the wrong CO2 emissions so I got penalised 110euro to tax it straight away) and they said just to send them the log book and they will change it over.

No mention of a payment, so either they will ring me with a bill or it was paid as claimed by the previous owner.