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National Interclubs XC

  • 26-11-2017 3:40pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭


    No thread for this.

    Women's winner: Shona Heaslip, 2nd Kerry O'Flaherty, 3rd, Michelle Finn

    Men's Winner: Paul Pollock, 2nd Kevin Dooney, 3rd ???

    Looked like a tough course, bit of a mudbath in places.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    pconn062 wrote: »
    No thread for this.

    Women's winner: Shona Heaslip, 2nd Kerry O'Flaherty, 3rd, Michelle Finn

    Men's Winner: Paul Pollock, 2nd Kevin Dooney, 3rd ???

    Looked like a tough course, bit of a mudbath in places.

    I know Kevin Maunsell was closing on last lap but not sure if he got third. Not sure was it Scullion up there as well

    Raheny look to have taken men's title.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    I know Kevin Maunsell was closing on last lap but not sure if he got third. Not sure was it Scullion up there as well

    Raheny look to have taken men's title.

    It was Hugh Armstrong from Ballina AC. On scholarship in Providence. Scullion not in the race from about 6/7k. Maunsell 5th. Good to see Sweeney back in a bit of form too. Great win from Heaslip too to back up last year.

    Any idea why the Claw wasn't running?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    pconn062 wrote: »
    It was Hugh Armstrong from Ballina AC. On scholarship in Providence. Scullion not in the race from about 6/7k. Maunsell 5th. Good to see Sweeney back in a bit of form too. Great win from Heaslip too to back up last year.

    Any idea why the Claw wasn't running?

    Haha whoops was basing in commentary my eyesight couldn't make them out up in the distance haha.

    Good to see Hugh back one of the best 10k talents in along time (broke 30 at 19 but missed out in Greally s record by a month or two) has been consistent for providence as well.

    Mick out with a niggle according to lindie naughton


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    Very frustrating that 4 hours after the finish of the race, there is not a single tweet or website update from Athletics Ireland on the results of the two senior and junior races. Hard to believe that the national championships took place today. Not a mention on the RTE or Irish Times website either. The PRO for the AAI really needs to get their act together


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    Very frustrating that 4 hours after the finish of the race, there is not a single tweet or website update from Athletics Ireland on the results of the two senior and junior races. Hard to believe that the national championships took place today. Not a mention on the RTE or Irish Times website either. The PRO for the AAI really needs to get their act together

    Went to myrunresults Facebook and worked it out from the finishing gantry video myself.

    Pretty poor given its chip timed and all other my run results are usually available with a half hour or so


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Birdie Num Num


    Very frustrating that 4 hours after the finish of the race, there is not a single tweet or website update from Athletics Ireland on the results of the two senior and junior races. Hard to believe that the national championships took place today. Not a mention on the RTE or Irish Times website either. The PRO for the AAI really needs to get their act together

    Great day of athletics and very enjoyable to watch but there is a professionalism lacking in many areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭echat


    Some information here (as per Testostercone posting) but Athletics Ireland website seems to be down: https://www.myrunresults.com/events/irish_life_health_senior__junior_even_cc/2457/racereport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    Yeah AI site is down now. Agree with Kiely, this is meant to be the pinnacle of the cross country season, a bigger deal needs to be made of it in terms of social media/press etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    Results now online (FB page)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    Results now online (FB page)

    You'd need a magnifine glass to read those... how did you get on?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    pconn062 wrote: »
    Yeah AI site is down now. Agree with Kiely, this is meant to be the pinnacle of the cross country season, a bigger deal needs to be made of it in terms of social media/press etc.

    It's a problem all minority sports have, win world level events of spend your life in obscurity. RTE sports reports are rugby and Premiership based. It's a microcosm of the governments attitude to sport. Fund it badly and jump on the bandwagon of rare successes. Tommy Conlon has a good piece in todays Indo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭echat


    Results on Athletics Ireland now. Raheny won senior men from Kilkenny and DSD. Leevale won senior women from DSD and An Riocht.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    You'd need a magnifine glass to read those... how did you get on?

    Lets just say my very ambitious target we talked about didn't materialise (about 35 places off) Still very happy with my run though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    skyblue46 wrote: »
    It's a problem all minority sports have, win world level events of spend your life in obscurity. RTE sports reports are rugby and Premiership based. It's a microcosm of the governments attitude to sport. Fund it badly and jump on the bandwagon of rare successes. Tommy Conlon has a good piece in todays Indo.

    To be fair our cross country team on women's side has probably been one of our most successful teams at European level over the past 10 years.

    In terms of the social media stuff though it's not main stream media that I think Kiely is referring to but our own NGB for the sport if they don't promote it why would the likes of RTE or other outlets


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Why d fook are myrunresults not able to produce the results. Does athletic ireland want exclusive rights to publication? Ronan can have the results online as you go over the finish line for any race he does, so there is no excuse for this ****e. Why hire him to do a job and then not let him. Seems a bit of a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,807 ✭✭✭skyblue46


    To be fair our cross country team on women's side has probably been one of our most successful teams at European level over the past 10 years.

    In terms of the social media stuff though it's not main stream media that I think Kiely is referring to but our own NGB for the sport if they don't promote it why would the likes of RTE or other outlets

    Oh I agree about grassroots level coverage. Athletics needs something like stickybottle has for cycling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Very frustrating that 4 hours after the finish of the race, there is not a single tweet or website update from Athletics Ireland on the results of the two senior and junior races. Hard to believe that the national championships took place today. Not a mention on the RTE or Irish Times website either. The PRO for the AAI really needs to get their act together

    My kids do a junior park run on Sunday mornings and the results are up inside 90 minutes, every single week.

    I know Athletics Ireland is largely volunteers etc, but they really should do better on this. Its very poor.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭youngrun


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    My kids do a junior park run on Sunday mornings and the results are up inside 90 minutes, every single week.

    I know Athletics Ireland is largely volunteers etc, but they really should do better on this. Its very poor.[/Q

    Some issues with U18/Junior combos in teams slowed it down .

    Great day of racing .Pollock was really impressive in breaking away as was Heaslip. Junior men v exciting .
    Facilities wise not there yet . Need a proper shower block and indoor area. Traffic also bad , is there another potential access route that could be built in to the NSC? Park and ride or extra carparks ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    yeah, I heard the race starts were delayed. Was it all delays inside the NSC or was there something else outside causing delays?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    RayCun wrote: »
    yeah, I heard the race starts were delayed. Was it all delays inside the NSC or was there something else outside causing delays?

    That would be the usual Sunday Blanch traffic :rolleyes:. There should be an access road for the NAC separate from Blanch SC exit.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    RayCun wrote: »
    yeah, I heard the race starts were delayed. Was it all delays inside the NSC or was there something else outside causing delays?



    This time of year the xmas shopping is kicking in, so the shopping centre would cause the delays!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭youngrun


    Same issue two years running must be a traffic solution?? Maybe 3,000 odd between spectators and athletes on Sunday, not huge yet major delays

    Euro Cross team is here, why not more U23s??? https://www.fastrunning.com/running-athletics-news/ireland/ireland-announce-27-strong-european-cross-country-championships-team/9965


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    That would be the usual Sunday Blanch traffic :rolleyes:. There should be an access road for the NAC separate from Blanch SC exit.

    Agreed

    Traffic in Blanch on pretty much any Sunday is mental. I've been out to the shopping centre a few times, sat in traffic not moving for half an hour and then turned around and come home.

    The GAA and IRFU run major sporting events throughout the year with 50'000+ attending, and they are never ever delayed because of traffic. Never. People are able to get there on time.

    Lots of European cities have sports centres - stadiums etc - at the edge of town. However, by and large they are all served by a metro line. People jump on the train in the centre of town and get out at the stop for the venue.

    The problem with Abbotstown is that public transport on a Sunday 'as good as' doesnt exist. Cycling out there even would be tricky, even for an experienced cyclist, given you are crossing the M50 and Dual Carriageways.

    Car is the only way to get there. And there is so much traffic in blanch anyway, even just going to the Aquatic Centre, that this will always be a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    youngrun wrote: »
    Same issue two years running must be a traffic solution?? Maybe 3,000 odd between spectators and athletes on Sunday, not huge yet major delays

    Euro Cross team is here, why not more U23s??? https://www.fastrunning.com/running-athletics-news/ireland/ireland-announce-27-strong-european-cross-country-championships-team/9965

    Yep, its disappointing but if the pipeline isnt there.....

    I wonder why Siofra Cleirigh Buttner isnt running this? She is 22 - it would seem like the ideal time for her to run the U23; or even to be part of a strong Senior Womens team.

    Maybe she is concentrating on track; but if its the case that she isnt making herself available then I'd question why AI should support her in the more glamorous track meets - i.e World Athletics Championships.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Yep, its disappointing but if the pipeline isnt there.....

    I wonder why Siofra Cleirigh Buttner isnt running this? She is 22 - it would seem like the ideal time for her to run the U23; or even to be part of a strong Senior Womens team.

    Maybe she is concentrating on track; but if its the case that she isnt making herself available then I'd question why AI should support her in the more glamorous track meets - i.e World Athletics Championships.

    She had a heavy NCAA schedule in Cross as well as a very heavy race season overall (between NCAA and championship racing) coupled with obligations in college for indoors wouldn't be overly critical of her for wanting/needing a bit of time off. NCAA athletes have not travelled well in the recent past being fried by time they got there (Tobin has been one of the few who has ran well domestically while on scholarship)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Interesting to compare club performance at Underage with senior - especially in the Dublin clubs.

    Raheny/ DSD/ Donore are 1st, 2nd and 4th in the Senior mens race, DSD and Donore were in Top 4 in womens race.

    Yet between them they have no teams in the U12 and U14 in either girls or boys, and just Raheny has a team in U16.

    The two clubs that jump out at Underage are MSB and Mullingar, and I know that these clubs have been doing a lot of work at Underage level for some time now, so its great to see it feeding through.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    She had a heavy NCAA schedule in Cross as well as a very heavy race season overall (between NCAA and championship racing) coupled with obligations in college for indoors wouldn't be overly critical of her for wanting/needing a bit of time off. NCAA athletes have not travelled well in the recent past being fried by time they got there (Tobin has been one of the few who has ran well domestically while on scholarship)

    I take your point; however in my view the European Cross Country is arguably the most important athletics event for Irish athletics, in that its a race where we have consistently won medals and had a presence in the past ten years - especially in the womens race. And the sport really needs good news stories at the moment. As such, if she's not going to run it, then what will she run.....I have no problem with an athlete saying I am putting myself first; however I believe AI's investment should be in the athletes that say, first and foremost - if I'm fit I will run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I take your point; however in my view the European Cross Country is arguably the most important athletics event for Irish athletics, in that its a race where we have consistently won medals and had a presence in the past ten years - especially in the womens race. And the sport really needs good news stories at the moment. As such, if she's not going to run it, then what will she run.....I have no problem with an athlete saying I am putting myself first; however I believe AI's investment should be in the athletes that say, first and foremost - if I'm fit I will run.

    It's not putting the athlete first though. These athletes have obligation to the institutions which invest highly in these athletes (which is not the AAI)

    Think of it this way, Villanova invest six figures in buttner here obligations are to them and NCAA championships. That includes cross (which is arguably a more competitive race that Euros) which she had to peak for and then again for Indoors (which will probably rule her out of Birmingham)

    These institutions are helping keep athletes in he sport to an extent as the investment in developing athletes in this country wouldn't even cover sub standard rent while in college in Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    That would be the usual Sunday Blanch traffic :rolleyes:. There should be an access road for the NAC separate from Blanch SC exit.
    youngrun wrote: »
    Same issue two years running must be a traffic solution?? Maybe 3,000 odd between spectators and athletes on Sunday, not huge yet major delays
    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    The GAA and IRFU run major sporting events throughout the year with 50'000+ attending, and they are never ever delayed because of traffic. Never. People are able to get there on time.
    ......
    Car is the only way to get there. And there is so much traffic in blanch anyway, even just going to the Aquatic Centre, that this will always be a problem.

    There are already much better routes to access the NAC during heavy traffic around the centre. People all go for the first exit off the N3 at the garda station as they don't know it exists. (And they're also changing the first junction completely anyway.) The exit after that is better.

    Then the N2 exit off the M50 will also get you there so much quicker if the traffic is bad trying to access the centre, you don't even have to hit any traffic lights until you're at the NAC itself.

    No need to look for solutions when they're already there. You don't have to go near Blanchardstown to get there.

    Re Access to the campus itself, there's a couple of additional ones but aren't open for the public. There's one further up the road if you were to come from the N2 direction, they're doing a bit of works around there at the moment, and there's at least one other on the road to Cappagh. Both of those would have you avoiding the aquatic centre bringing you either directly to the indoor arena or around by the FAI headquarters.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There are already much better routes to access the NAC during heavy traffic around the centre. People all go for the first exit off the N3 at the garda station as they don't know it exists. (And they're also changing the first junction completely anyway.) The exit after that is better.

    Then the N2 exit off the M50 will also get you there so much quicker if the traffic is bad trying to access the centre, you don't even have to hit any traffic lights until you're at the NAC itself.

    No need to look for solutions when they're already there. You don't have to go near Blanchardstown to get there.

    Re Access to the campus itself, there's a couple of additional ones but aren't open for the public. There's one further up the road if you were to come from the N2 direction, they're doing a bit of works around there at the moment, and there's at least one other on the road to Cappagh. Both of those would have you avoiding the aquatic centre bringing you either directly to the indoor arena or around by the FAI headquarters.

    Look at who is going to this event - its 85% clubs outside of the capital. People travelling from Letterkenny, West Waterford, An Riocht, Westport AC, Ennis, Derry..... It stands to reason that they will go the way Google Maps tells them to go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Google maps is great adapting to live traffic and will direct you around one of the other routes when faster or there's congestion.

    In reality they probably just stick to the way they know.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭youngrun


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Yep, its disappointing but if the pipeline isnt there.....

    I wonder why Siofra Cleirigh Buttner isnt running this? She is 22 - it would seem like the ideal time for her to run the U23; or even to be part of a strong Senior Womens team.

    Maybe she is concentrating on track; but if its the case that she isnt making herself available then I'd question why AI should support her in the more glamorous track meets - i.e World Athletics Championships.

    4 lads in top 24 in National senior who are U23??? All should be sent
    Plus must be a couple in US

    Ditto ladies why send only one, pretty miserable.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭youngrun


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There are already much better routes to access the NAC during heavy traffic around the centre. People all go for the first exit off the N3 at the garda station as they don't know it exists. (And they're also changing the first junction completely anyway.) The exit after that is better.

    Then the N2 exit off the M50 will also get you there so much quicker if the traffic is bad trying to access the centre, you don't even have to hit any traffic lights until you're at the NAC itself.

    No need to look for solutions when they're already there. You don't have to go near Blanchardstown to get there.

    Re Access to the campus itself, there's a couple of additional ones but aren't open for the public. There's one further up the road if you were to come from the N2 direction, they're doing a bit of works around there at the moment, and there's at least one other on the road to Cappagh. Both of those would have you avoiding the aquatic centre bringing you either directly to the indoor arena or around by the FAI headquarters.

    Is this exit further on from Blanch /Cavan exit? What number?

    lots of country folk like me going to the Nationals we just follow what
    the map says

    Lucky enough i got in early as was on duty but there was a huge amount of complaints and raging parents at check in would not blame them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I take your point; however in my view the European Cross Country is arguably the most important athletics event for Irish athletics, in that its a race where we have consistently won medals and had a presence in the past ten years - especially in the womens race. And the sport really needs good news stories at the moment. As such, if she's not going to run it, then what will she run.....I have no problem with an athlete saying I am putting myself first; however I believe AI's investment should be in the athletes that say, first and foremost - if I'm fit I will run.

    AI don't fund Siofra, she has to be compliant with NCAA rules which means she cannot earn money from running so funding from AI is a no go if she wants to keep her scholarship which has supported both her education and athletics over the past 4 years.

    The NCAA schedule is tough enough as it with XC and indoors in the winter along with Spring track as well as Siofra trying to run the European U-23's and World Championships during the summer this year. It's asking a lot and putting a lot of unnecessary pressure on a 22 year old to perform at this level and this many races in a year and saying that future investment should be cut if they say no and I hope that's not an approach AI ever take. The outcome would not br good anyway you look at it. If she says no to College, she loses her scholarship and if she says no to AI, she loses AI future AI funding or if she does both, she could be burnt out before funding ever becomes attainable anyway. Is that really a decision you want some of our top young talent making?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    youngrun wrote: »
    Lucky enough i got in early as was on duty but there was a huge amount of complaints and raging parents at check in would not blame them

    It was hardly the fault of the officials at check-in!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    youngrun wrote: »
    Is this exit further on from Blanch /Cavan exit? What number?

    lots of country folk like me going to the Nationals we just follow what
    the map says

    Lucky enough i got in early as was on duty but there was a huge amount of complaints and raging parents at check in would not blame them

    It's just a couple of hundred metres up the road, exit 3. Go to the top of the slip and take the right at the lights. You can then take a right at the second set of lights and cut through Corduff, or go as far as Ballycoolin and double back. Distance wise it's obviously further but quicker if the Blanchardstown Village exit is brutal

    https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/National+Sports+Campus,+Snugborough+Rd,+Deanestown,+Dublin,+Ireland/53.3970863,-6.3924183/@53.3962811,-6.3876396,15z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m10!1m1!1s0x486712a1acaef7af:0xf1da262417a50bdc!2m2!1d-6.3701069!2d53.3970143!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3857092!2d53.3994712!3s0x486712aebeebc993:0x1ff2f1fd460f2750!1m0!3e0


    https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/National+Sports+Campus,+Snugborough+Rd,+Deanestown,+Dublin,+Ireland/53.3970863,-6.3924183/@53.4002728,-6.3796145,15z/data=!4m19!4m18!1m15!1m1!1s0x486712a1acaef7af:0xf1da262417a50bdc!2m2!1d-6.3701069!2d53.3970143!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3683342!2d53.4080457!3s0x486712bd9b300de1:0xa25c6802dba30987!3m4!1m2!1d-6.3857092!2d53.3994712!3s0x486712aebeebc993:0x1ff2f1fd460f2750!1m0!3e0

    I wasn't up there myself but my daughter and neighbours were and got there no probs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    El Caballo wrote: »
    AI don't fund Siofra, she has to be compliant with NCAA rules which means she cannot earn money from running so funding from AI is a no go if she wants to keep her scholarship which has supported both her education and athletics over the past 4 years.

    The NCAA schedule is tough enough as it with XC and indoors in the winter along with Spring track as well as Siofra trying to run the European U-23's and World Championships during the summer this year. It's asking a lot and putting a lot of unnecessary pressure on a 22 year old to perform at this level and this many races in a year and saying that future investment should be cut if they say no and I hope that's not an approach AI ever take. The outcome would not br good anyway you look at it. If she says no to College, she loses her scholarship and if she says no to AI, she loses AI future AI funding or if she does both, she could be burnt out before funding ever becomes attainable anyway. Is that really a decision you want some of our top young talent making?

    Did she not just recently get announced as receiving funding from the OCI for Tokyo 2020?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Did she not just recently get announced as receiving funding from the OCI for Tokyo 2020?

    Thats right.

    The OCI statement also made the following point:

    Priority is given to athletes not in receipt of funding from any other source.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    El Caballo wrote: »
    AI don't fund Siofra, she has to be compliant with NCAA rules which means she cannot earn money from running so funding from AI is a no go if she wants to keep her scholarship which has supported both her education and athletics over the past 4 years.

    The NCAA schedule is tough enough as it with XC and indoors in the winter along with Spring track as well as Siofra trying to run the European U-23's and World Championships during the summer this year. It's asking a lot and putting a lot of unnecessary pressure on a 22 year old to perform at this level and this many races in a year and saying that future investment should be cut if they say no and I hope that's not an approach AI ever take. The outcome would not br good anyway you look at it. If she says no to College, she loses her scholarship and if she says no to AI, she loses AI future AI funding or if she does both, she could be burnt out before funding ever becomes attainable anyway. Is that really a decision you want some of our top young talent making?

    I am not saying she needs to make any choice at all.

    I am saying AI needs to decide if they are to back athletes that dont show up for races.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I am not saying she needs to make any choice at all.

    I am saying AI needs to decide if they are to back athletes that dont show up for races.

    Out of interest how are the AAI backing here.

    Villanova pay her board, food and tuition, coaching etc track access, gym, physio etc. Do AI even offer flights to NCAA athletes to come back to compete?

    If there was an alternative set up provided by the AAI I would agree but begrudging athletes who go down the college route offer themselves a bit of viability for a few more years in the sport.

    AI is there to support development of athletes as well as ticking the high performance boxes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Wottle


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Interesting to compare club performance at Underage with senior - especially in the Dublin clubs.

    Raheny/ DSD/ Donore are 1st, 2nd and 4th in the Senior mens race, DSD and Donore were in Top 4 in womens race.

    Yet between them they have no teams in the U12 and U14 in either girls or boys, and just Raheny has a team in U16.

    The two clubs that jump out at Underage are MSB and Mullingar, and I know that these clubs have been doing a lot of work at Underage level for some time now, so its great to see it feeding through.

    That's not true, I can only speak for DSD
    u14 girls 3rd
    U16 girls 5th inc ind 2nd place
    U18 girls 1st
    Junior women 1st
    Senior women 2nd

    Looks like they're well represented on the girls/women side and in uneven they'll have both boys and girls in 15 and 17s.


    Definitely tthere is a great buzz currently around MSB with the little ones and when I see their kids they seem to be having fun which is super. They also seem to have a lot of helpers and coaches and a good vibe at their tent.
    I'd love to see them carry that through to the older ages, time will tell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Wottle wrote: »
    That's not true, I can only speak for DSD
    u14 girls 3rd
    U16 girls 5th inc ind 2nd place
    U18 girls 1st
    Junior women 1st
    Senior women 2nd

    Looks like they're well represented on the girls/women side and in uneven they'll have both boys and girls in 15 and 17s.


    Definitely tthere is a great buzz currently around MSB with the little ones and when I see their kids they seem to be having fun which is super. They also seem to have a lot of helpers and coaches and a good vibe at their tent.
    I'd love to see them carry that through to the older ages, time will tell

    I stand corrected, and apologies to DSD and well done on the strong performance.

    Nonetheless I do think its a feature that some of the Dublin teams that compete so strongly in the mens Senior event dont have any team at the younger end of the underage grades - '12s and '14s.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭youngrun


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I stand corrected, and apologies to DSD and well done on the strong performance.

    Nonetheless I do think its a feature that some of the Dublin teams that compete so strongly in the mens Senior event dont have any team at the younger end of the underage grades - '12s and '14s.

    All depends on club focus and coaches expertise a lot would be in distance/endurance at senior level
    Pro rata Dublin numbers are lower that you would think, would expect them to have double their numbers based on population % of total , eg Cork nearly has as many
    http://www.athleticsireland.ie/downloads/other/County_October.pdf
    Maybe other sports are taking too , I heard FAI And GAA have huge numbers of development officers in the capital v hardly any for athletics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Wottle


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I stand corrected, and apologies to DSD and well done on the strong performance.

    Nonetheless I do think its a feature that some of the Dublin teams that compete so strongly in the mens Senior event dont have any team at the younger end of the underage grades - '12s and '14s.

    Teams need to qualify for All Ires. In Dublin's case, county and province are run simultaneously and only 3 team spots up for grabs. So it might not be the case that clubs mentioned don't have juvenile teams, it may mean they didn't qualify.
    I also know of clubs who don't like to send the younger juveniles to All Ires, they wait till they feel they are old enough, don't get that one myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I am not saying she needs to make any choice at all.

    I am saying AI needs to decide if they are to back athletes that dont show up for races.

    But you are as an AI decision to do so affects the athletes choices so those are the decisions which are left.

    If you start pulling funding from athletes who don't show up to every national oppurtunity, we'll have no athletes left to fund. The carding system and athlete funding in Ireland is bad enough as it is nevermind pulling the rug from under future prospects before they even get started. Siofra is primarily an 800m athlete, should the likes of Mark English get his funding cut as well because he didn't make himself available for the European XC? Where do you draw the line on this?

    There has to be an element of leeway on the part of AI to give the best chance for these athletes to succeed. Burning them out through constant racing with the threat of the axe dangling overhead will get them nowhere. The NCAA already gets huge critism for the toughness of the schedule, add on the NGB's taking a similar approach and it would be a disaster. Athletes are not machines and need downtime as well or they won't be able to say "I'm fit and willing" when they are in their peak years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Our club lucan harriers is alot stronger under age than senior. We did very well this year in the juvenile cross


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    Wottle wrote: »
    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I stand corrected, and apologies to DSD and well done on the strong performance.

    Nonetheless I do think its a feature that some of the Dublin teams that compete so strongly in the mens Senior event dont have any team at the younger end of the underage grades - '12s and '14s.

    Teams need to qualify for All Ires. In Dublin's case, county and province are run simultaneously and only 3 team spots up for grabs. So it might not be the case that clubs mentioned don't have juvenile teams, it may mean they didn't qualify.
    I also know of clubs who don't like to send the younger juveniles to All Ires, they wait till they feel they are old enough, don't get that one myself.

    Yeah, some people are not keen on competition at a young age, and some think cross country distances are too long. I don't know if that is why particular clubs are not so well represented at juvenile levels but it could be a factor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭k101


    poor from athletics ireland that they cant be bothered to publish times of any of the athletes in the races below u18, the races are timed but the athletes dont get to find out their times, strange or what, very bad form considering its the national championships not some mickey mouse race


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,704 ✭✭✭✭RayCun


    k101 wrote: »
    poor from athletics ireland that they cant be bothered to publish times of any of the athletes in the races below u18, the races are timed but the athletes dont get to find out their times, strange or what, very bad form considering its the national championships not some mickey mouse race

    they never do it for juvenile XC as far as I know


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭k101


    yeah they dont seem to for the nationals , its ridiculous, for the leinsters myrunresults had every childs time available online within a couple of minutes of finishing their race.


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