Previously disqualified from Driving in UK w/ UK license but now have it back, I want

hardcoreaaron

I was disqualified for 9 months while living in the UK for drink driving last year.

The ban has been spent and I have my UK license back now. I am currently making plans to move back home to Ireland so I’ll be changing my UK license back to an Irish one. Will the endorsement go on the Irish one? I’m thinking no as it was a foreign jurisdiction that issued the penalty.

Basically I want to know if my license record will be clean in Ireland like it was when I left (for insurance purposes etc).

exaisle

hardcoreaaron wrote: »

Basically I want to know if my license record will be clean in Ireland like it was when I left (for insurance purposes etc).

It doesn't matter whether it is or it isn't, you'll have to inform your insurance company of the conviction or it will invalidate your insurance.

hardcoreaaron

exaisle wrote: »

hardcoreaaron wrote: »

Basically I want to know if my license record will be clean in Ireland like it was when I left (for insurance purposes etc).

It doesn't matter whether it is or it isn't, you'll have to inform your insurance company of the conviction or it will invalidate your insurance.

But on my driving record in Ireland would the endorsement be there? Unless the insurance company contacted the dvla I don’t see how they would know.

The following is a quote from citizenzinformation.ie

Driving offences committed in other jurisdictions
Penalty points and endorsements on driving licences acquired in other states (including EU/EEA member states) are not recognised in Ireland. This is because these penalties have been issued by courts in other jurisdictions. In practice, this means that if you acquired penalty points or an endorsement on a driving licence before coming to Ireland, these penalty points or endorsements do not transfer over to an Irish driving licence.

amcalester

That applies to points, so if you had 3 points on your UK license these don’t get applied to your Irish license.

But your insurance company will ask you

“Have you been convicted of a driving offense?” and if you lie and they find out they’ll void your insurance and you’ll be screwed.

Note that the question won’t specify a jurisdiction.

site_owner

Not exactly a legal dictionary, but the last paragraph of this Axa blog seems to answer it.

https://www.axa.ie/articles/entry/road-traffic-offences-in-ireland-convictions-both-sides-of-the-border/


And as if further motivation were needed, convictions on either side of the border will have to be declared when renewing car insurance. Yet another reason why it pays to drive with care, no matter where

site_owner

hardcoreaaron wrote: »

But on my driving record in Ireland would the endorsement be there? Unless the insurance company contacted the dvla I don’t see how they would know.

The following is a quote from citizenzinformation.ie

Driving offences committed in other jurisdictions
Penalty points and endorsements on driving licences acquired in other states (including EU/EEA member states) are not recognised in Ireland. This is because these penalties have been issued by courts in other jurisdictions. In practice, this means that if you acquired penalty points or an endorsement on a driving licence before coming to Ireland, these penalty points or endorsements do not transfer over to an Irish driving licence.

The next paragraph from that page

There is mutual recognition between Ireland and the UK (including Northern Ireland) of driving disqualifications for specified offences

amcalester

site_owner wrote: »

The next paragraph from that page

There is mutual recognition between Ireland and the UK (including Northern Ireland) of driving disqualifications for specified offences

The OP is no longer disqualified so shouldn’t have an issue exchanging his license but will still have to inform his insurance company of the conviction.

hardcoreaaron

I understand that whilst I was disqualified in the UK, I was also disqualified in Ireland. That’s what my understanding of the “mutual recognition...” is.

I’ll just tell them, I knew it was a long shot that the endorsement wouldn’t follow me home.

site_owner

hardcoreaaron wrote: »

I understand that whilst I was disqualified in the UK, I was also disqualified in Ireland. That’s what my understanding of the “mutual recognition...” is.

I’ll just tell them, I knew it was a long shot that the endorsement wouldn’t follow me home.

Chat to a broker first rathe than the insurance company direct. I'm just some dope on the internet quoting bits off other websites

Sleeper12

I'm pretty sure we're linked to the UK system and the UK to us for the last year or so. We definitely are for speeding fines and penalty points. Drink driving I'm not sure about.

I know you are hoping to pull a fast one but it says on every insurance policy that you are not covered if you don't notify them of anything that might effect the policy. Also it's a standard question that you are supposed to answer truthfully

GM228

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure we're linked to the UK system and the UK to us for the last year or so. We definitely are for speeding fines and penalty points. Drink driving I'm not sure about.

We are linked to the UK for the purposes of mutual recognition of driving bans as a result of certain offences.

Penalty points incurred in other jurisdictios are not recognised here, neither are driving bans as a result of accumulated penalty points.

We are also linked to the entire EUs EUCARIS system for the purpose of issue and enforcement of traffic fines for certain offences.

exaisle

hardcoreaaron wrote: »

Basically I want to know if my license record will be clean in Ireland like it was when I left (for insurance purposes etc).

You don't seem to realise that you have to report convictions FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES ETC! Otherwise, you're not insured. Whether or not your endorsement follows you is irrelevant.

The real question here is, would somebody who was "misguided" enough to drink and drive might also be "misguided" enough to neglect to inform their insurance company of a recent conviction?? What say you, OP??

exaisle

The absence of a response speaks volumes....

amcalester

exaisle wrote: »

The absence of a response speaks volumes....

hardcoreaaron wrote: »

I understand that whilst I was disqualified in the UK, I was also disqualified in Ireland. That’s what my understanding of the “mutual recognition...” is.

I’ll just tell them, I knew it was a long shot that the endorsement wouldn’t follow me home.

Already said he would inform the insurance company.