Traffic fine/court

Katielane85

I received a fine for no L plates and no full licence driver and the deadline to pay is in a couple of days.
I got a parking fine before and I never paid it and received a court summance that said if I paid the fine 7 days before court date I didn't have to go to court.
What I'm wondering is with the traffic fine if I don't pay by the certain date and get a court summance , will it give me the option of paying it 7 days before court like the parking fine or will it just be a straight out court date ?

jimbis

Pay the fine asap, your only creating more trouble for yourself by ignoring it. You got a lucky break with the parking fine but an actual road traffic offences are a different story.

Victor

Parking fines are often issued by the council, not the Garda, so different procedures apply.

Katielane85

jimbis wrote: »

Pay the fine asap, your only creating more trouble for yourself by ignoring it. You got a lucky break with the parking fine but an actual road traffic offences are a different story.

I do want to pay the fines I'm just trying to stretch it out until after Xmas . I just want to know do I get time before I have to go to court .

boardsuser1

Katielane85 wrote: »

I do want to pay the fines I'm just trying to stretch it out until after Xmas . I just want to know do I get time before I have to go to court .

You have 56 days from the date on the notice to pay, the fines will increase by 50% after 28 days however.

If you don't pay by 56 days a summons will be issued for the local district court.

Katielane85

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

You have 56 days from the date on the notice to pay, the fines will increase by 50% after 28 days however.

If you don't pay by 56 days a summons will be issued for the local district court.

I know all that . I just wanted to know when I get the court summons will it give me 7 days to pay before the court date?

boardsuser1

Katielane85 wrote: »

I know all that . I just wanted to know when I get the court summons will it give me 7 days to pay before the court date?

The law has changed,but i am unsure if it is enacted yet.

With the Gardai at least, if they turn up at your door with a summons you will get one final opportunity to pay the fine before it goes to court.

What you should be aware of is, if you get this option the fine will be double the original.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/double-fine-for-drivers-to-avoid-penalty-point-court-appearances-405811.html

GM228

The 7 day option, officially know as a "Section 44 Notice", but generally referred to as the 3rd payment option applies to any offences committed on or after 1st June 2017.

As Cork Truck Driver points out exercising this option will see the fine double.

If the offence happened up to 31st May 2017 you can't avail of the 7 day option, if it happened on or after 1st June 2017 you will be afforded the option.

endacl

Katielane85 wrote: »

I do want to pay the fines I'm just trying to stretch it out until after Xmas . I just want to know do I get time before I have to go to court .

Jaysus. Just pay the fine.

Katielane85

GM228 wrote: »

The 7 day option, officially know as a "Section 44 Notice", but generally referred to as the 3rd payment option applies to any offences committed on or after 1st June 2017.

As Cork Truck Driver points out exercising this option will see the fine double.

If the offence happened up to 31st May 2017 you can't avail of the 7 day option, if it happened on or after 1st June 2017 you will be afforded the option.

Thank you .
Do I know if I will receive penalty points waiting till the 7 day option or would I get them if convicted of the offence ?

boardsuser1

Katielane85 wrote: »

Thank you .
Do I know if I will receive penalty points waiting till the 7 day option or would I get them if convicted of the offence ?

Here is the list of penalty point offences as of April 2016.

If you go to court and are convicted you WILL get a higher number of points

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Penalty%20Points%20Offences%2017%20April%202016.pdf

GM228

Katielane85 wrote: »

Thank you .
Do I know if I will receive penalty points waiting till the 7 day option or would I get them if convicted of the offence ?

When you exercise the 3rd payment option you get the lower penalty points, same amount as had you of paid the fine within the 56 days.

boardsuser1

GM228 wrote: »

When you exercise the 3rd payment option you get the lower penalty points, same amount as had you of paid the fine with the 56 days.

Nail on the head.

Ashbx

Katielane85 wrote: »

Thank you .
Do I know if I will receive penalty points waiting till the 7 day option or would I get them if convicted of the offence ?

You will get double the points if you wait until conviction. 4 points will be applied when paying the fine or 8 if you wait for court.

You are still only a learner and close to going to court twice for driving offences. You are not going to avoid this, so stop delaying it and just pay the fine now.

boardsuser1

Ashbx wrote: »

You will get double the points if you wait until conviction. 4 points will be applied when paying the fine or 8 if you wait for court.

You are still only a learner and close to going to court twice for driving offences. You are not going to avoid this, so stop delaying it and just pay the fine now.

If the OP waits until it goes to court and receives 8 points on conviction,as they are a learner it is instant disqualification as a result.

The below link is an indication.

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/penalty_points.html

GM228

Ashbx wrote: »

You will get double the points if you wait until conviction. 4 points will be applied when paying the fine or 8 if you wait for court.

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

If the OP waits until it goes to court and receives 8 points on conviction,as they are a learner it is instant disqualification as a result.

The below link is an indication.

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/penalty_points.html

Assuming both offences happened at the same time the OP would only get 2 points when paying the fine or 4 upon conviction.

boardsuser1

Katielane85 wrote: »

I received a fine for no L plates and no full licence driver and the deadline to pay is in a couple of days.
I got a parking fine before and I never paid it and received a court summance that said if I paid the fine 7 days before court date I didn't have to go to court.
What I'm wondering is with the traffic fine if I don't pay by the certain date and get a court summance , will it give me the option of paying it 7 days before court like the parking fine or will it just be a straight out court date ?

GM228 wrote: »

Assuming both offences happened at the same time the OP would only get 2 points when paying the fine or 4 upon conviction.

I'm leaning towards them being seperate offences based on the above.

GM228

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I'm leaning towards them being seperate offences based on the above.

Parking fines don't incur points (except dangerous parking).

Below is what we are talking about:-

Katielane85 wrote: »

I received a fine for no L plates and no full licence driver

Isambard

I'd be inclined to pay it and get a line drawn under it. Scale back xmas a little

boardsuser1

GM228 wrote: »

Parking fines don't incur points (except dangerous parking).

Below is what we are talking about:-

€210 in fines and 2 points

Isambard wrote: »

I'd be inclined to pay it and get a line drawn under it. Scale back xmas a little

I agree.

GM228

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

€210 in fines and 2 points

Or €420 and 2 points if 3rd payment option is exercised.

Katielane85

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I'm leaning towards them being seperate offences based on the above.

I got them the same time

Katielane85

GM228 wrote: »

When you exercise the 3rd payment option you get the lower penalty points, same amount as had you of paid the fine within the 56 days.

So if I had of paid the fine straight away I still woul of got penalty points ?!!!

Katielane85

Katielane85 wrote: »

I got them the same time the traffic fines ?

GM228

Katielane85 wrote: »

So if I had of paid the fine straight away I still woul of got penalty points ?!!!

Yes.

Caranica

Katielane85 wrote: »

So if I had of paid the fine straight away I still woul of got penalty points ?!!!

Yes, the offences are punished by a fine AND penalty points. As a learner you have a lower points threshold before you're put off the road so don't risk double points. Oh and obey the law, it's cheaper that way

Ashbx

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

If the OP waits until it goes to court and receives 8 points on conviction,as they are a learner it is instant disqualification as a result.

The below link is an indication.

http://www.drivingschoolireland.com/penalty_points.html

Ooooh didn't know that! I thought 12 was quite a low number as it is. But its a good way of doing it I suppose. If someone manages to get themselves that many points before they get their full licence, they probably don't deserve to drive.

Thank god I have a clean licence!

boardsuser1

Ashbx wrote: »

Ooooh didn't know that! I thought 12 was quite a low number as it is. But its a good way of doing it I suppose. If someone manages to get themselves that many points before they get their full licence, they probably don't deserve to drive.

Thank god I have a clean licence!

It was 12 across the board at 1 time but they changed it.

Learners are on very thing ice where financial penalties carrying points are concerned.

Isambard

I think 12 is very generous in fact, in some circumstances you could get caught 6 times before being put off the road and even then I bet you could plead hardship and get off a ban in Court.

boardsuser1

Isambard wrote: »

I think 12 is very generous in fact, in some circumstances you could get caught 6 times before being put off the road and even then I bet you could plead hardship and get off a ban in Court.

Increasing the points per offence might be something that would clamp down on the generosity.

For example:

Speeding 5 points?
Mobile Phone 5 points?

Something along those lines?

Some might hammer my suggestion and i can relate to why.

But to be fair,even in its current format of 3 points for speeding you would need to be caught 4 times to have a ban imposed for a fully qualified driver.

A learner is 2 strikes for the same and out.

GM228

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

But to be fair,even in its current format of 3 points for speeding you would need to be caught 4 times to have a ban imposed for a fully qualified driver.

A learner is 2 strikes for the same and out.

3 strikes for a learner for the same. Automatic ban for a learner/novice is 7 points, not 6.

deathtocaptcha

Katielane85 wrote: »

I do want to pay the fines I'm just trying to stretch it out until after Xmas.

Just be honest with them. Tell them you're happy to pay the fines but ask them if they'll take a deposit now and if you can pay after Christmas because you need to buy presents for people.

You'll get your answer quickly.

DaveyDave

What about Christmas is more important than paying a fine on time and risking conviction?

I wouldn't be able to get a notice and wait two feckin months before paying.

ED E

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Increasing the points per offence might be something that would clamp down on the generosity.

For example:

Speeding 5 points?
Mobile Phone 5 points?

Something along those lines?

Some might hammer my suggestion and i can relate to why.

But to be fair,even in its current format of 3 points for speeding you would need to be caught 4 times to have a ban imposed for a fully qualified driver.

A learner is 2 strikes for the same and out.

Phone use should be 6 points and triple the fine. That would bring us in line with the UK.

boardsuser1

ED E wrote: »

Phone use should be 6 points and triple the fine. That would bring us in line with the UK.

This country is almost always lagging behind the UK when it comes to important legislation.

Your proposal is very stiff but i don't see many people disagreeing with you on that.

I back it 110%

At the rate phone use while driving is going it'll have to be an instant ban if caught.

Supergurrier

Just pay the fines.

You are looking at this whole scenario completely arseways in my opinion.

endacl

ED E wrote: »

Phone use should be 6 points and triple the fine. That would bring us in line with the UK.

Driver should also be made to drive slowly over their phone. With the window down, so they can hear the crunch. Twice, to make sure. Then they should be made sweep up the mess, take it home, and put it in the bin.