C/D licence material

TallGlass

Just wondering, have my C/D Theory Test booked in for this weekend. Just noticed there that questions have changed or there is new material for my test. I have been using the old CD from 2013 last time it was updated. Anything to worry about?

TallGlass

Anyone?

boardsuser1

THere is now an 8th edition of the driver theory test available for study released in 2017

This is your best bet.

Are you doing Driver CPC?

boardsuser1

Have you looked here?

http://www.theorytest.ie/revision-material/

Eason also stock all DTT revision materials.

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

THere is now an 8th edition of the driver theory test available for study released in 2017

This is your best bet.

Are you doing Driver CPC?

No just doing the C/D theory, might look at CPC but don't think I will be using professionally for a while.

I have got the books, but my test is tomorrow, wasn't aware it was changing this month. I am just wondering should I expect a massive difference in questions, between what I have studied from 2013 to the new version.

If they are changing it like that they should really ask people what test version they would like to sit up to a certain point.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

No just doing the C/D theory, might look at CPC but don't think I will be using professionally for a while.

I have got the books, but my test is tomorrow, wasn't aware it was changing this month. I am just wondering should I expect a massive difference in questions, between what I have studied from 2013 to the new version.

If they are changing it like that they should really ask people what test version they would like to sit up to a certain point.

There are new questions in the theory test now regarding drink drinking which you wouldn't have access to on the material you are using.

You may as well do it and have it rather than leaving it and coming back to it.

There's a new version roughly every 2 years, is it edition 6 you are studying?

Urindanger

Somebody put up the 6th edition online in interactive quiz form. Something like 700 questions. It's what I used to study. It was brilliant. It's on Quizglobal. A quick Google should have you sorted.

boardsuser1

Urindanger wrote: »

Somebody put up the 6th edition online in interactive quiz form. Something like 700 questions. It's what I used to study. It was brilliant. It's on Quizglobal. A quick Google should have you sorted.

Given the D.T.T have now issued edition 8, i wouldn't put my faith in edition 6 due to new questions that have been added since then, also, i have never heard of QuizGlobal.

Is that site trustworthy?

TallGlass

Didn't get any questions that seemed any different. But if your starting out I would get the new edition.

Passed anyway.

Anyone know do I need to get a medical report for getting my C learner permit?

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Didn't get any questions that seemed any different. But if your starting out I would get the new edition.

Passed anyway.

Anyone know do I need to get a medical report for getting my C learner permit?

Yes you need a medical report for the learner permit.

It will be for 5 years.

Were you in the exam room long?

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Yes you need a medical report for the learner permit.

It will be for 5 years.

Were you in the exam room long?

About 20 mins. I thought I made a bags of it with the speeds. It must have asked me 10/12 questions in a row on speeds of busses on various roads.

Stupid question but best place to get a medical? How much is the going rate on that.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

About 20 mins. I thought I made a bags of it with the speeds. It must have asked me 10/12 questions in a row on speeds of busses on various roads.

Stupid question but best place to get a medical? How much is the going rate on that.

20 minutes is good.

Speeds for buses such as:

Max speed on motorway 100km/h
Dual carriageway 90km/h etc etc?

Your own GP does the medical.

It costs an average of €50 but my GP usually waives the fee.

Here is the form:

https://www.ndls.ie/images/Documents/DrivingLicence/155076_NDLS_Med_Rep_V9_Online_FA_BD_PDFX.pdf

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

20 minutes is good.

Speeds for buses such as:

Max speed on motorway 100km/h
Dual carriageway 90km/h etc etc?

Your own GP does the medical.

It costs an average of €50 but my GP usually waives the fee.

Here is the form:

https://www.ndls.ie/images/Documents/DrivingLicence/155076_NDLS_Med_Rep_V9_Online_FA_BD_PDFX.pdf

Yeah, National Primary, Motorway, Dual and local. Same with trucks. Then alot on, two, three, six axle, conventional and air suspension MAM, usual. I did study the stuff you mentioned about the latest road report regards drink driving. I got a total of 133/140 questions correct as my mark in the end.

Will check out the GP, might mention the licence is for volunteering see if they will wave the fee.

boardsuser1

Had all those questions for the Truck and bus when i did the theory tests.

Did you get drink driving questions?

It's 140 questions now :eek:

Things have changed since my last theory test in 2012.

I found that if you have a good relationship with the GP usually won't hesitate, i've had mine since birth so that was a bonus.

If it's for volunteering, you may be exempt from both CPC and digital tachographs

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Getting-your-CPC/

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Professional%20Drivers/Exemptions%20and%20derogations%20from%20the%20EU%20Tachograph%20and%20driver.pdf

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Had all those questions for the Truck and bus when i did the theory tests.

Did you get drink driving questions?

It's 140 questions now :eek:

Things have changed since my last theory test in 2012.

I found that if you have a good relationship with the GP usually won't hesitate, i've had mine since birth so that was a bonus.

If it's for volunteering, you may be exempt from both CPC and digital tachographs

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Getting-your-CPC/

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Professional%20Drivers/Exemptions%20and%20derogations%20from%20the%20EU%20Tachograph%20and%20driver.pdf

Yeah truck and bus is 140 questions now, with a pass mark 104 and above fairly big test you've I think 2hr 30mins to answer all.

I'll check with the GP or just give them the 50€

CPC is interesting.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Yeah truck and bus is 140 questions now, with a pass mark 104 and above fairly big test you've I think 2hr 30mins to answer all.

I'll check with the GP or just give them the 50€

CPC is interesting.

When the theory test first came out category C & D were as one.

40 questions and a pass mark of 35.

By the time i got around to it they were seperate though.

What is the cost of it these days?

The pass mark is giving people plenty of room really.

The time permitted is staggering, only for CPC theory tests have i seen that length of time, for all others it was 45 minutes.

CPC is interesting in relation to the exemptions Vs the line of volunteering you are involved in?

TallGlass

Think it was around 85/90€. Going for the C licence just a handy thing to have for some organisations. Have the A/B already, if I get the C might look at doing the D. So they licence is renewed every 5 years is it? Does the A/B get topped up when you renew the C/D..

How hard was your test in the C? I remember you saying it got rescheduled.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Think it was around 85/90€. Going for the C licence just a handy thing to have for some organisations. Have the A/B already, if I get the C might look at doing the D. So they licence is renewed every 5 years is it? Does the A/B get topped up when you renew the C/D..

How hard was your test in the C? I remember you saying it got rescheduled.

Jesus the prices went mad :eek:

The C licence is very handy to have, in my own industry of doing it day in day out the artic is desired more than the rigid.

Might do a PM exchange down the line about the A licence, it's the only only i don't have.

The A,B,BE,W licence's are for 10 years while the rest are for 5 years.

Having them all is the best thing.

Don't ever go for the C1 or D1, always the higher category as you get both.

My own C test was in 2012, it was fine, i was out over 1 hour and had the CPC after it, i can't say i found it hard, i just studied religiously and practiced just as hard.

I had 10 x 2 hour lessons and a 1 hour pre test on the day itself.

The difference between you now and me then is you will be using a split gearbox, almost certainly a 4/4 (4 over 4) whereas i just had a standard 6 speed gearbox like you would have in a car.

When you see me talking about 4/4 don't worry, it isn't that hard.

In all rigid's i have driven bar MAN trucks which i had to move off in 2nd, i am able to take off in 3rd gear.

It goes from 3-4 up with the switch then 5-6-7-8

The switch is flicked up going from 4-5 and flicked down going from 5-4 or at least that's how it should be done :pac:

The other trucks i have driven,artics, are 3/3.

move off in 3rd,up with the switch then into 4-5-6 and when coming back down 6-5-4 switch down and into 3rd.

On the side there is also another switch which halves the gear for you, all you do here is flick the switch, press the clutch in and out but don't move the gear stick, a green light will come on the dash to show you are in the half gear, when you flick the switch back and press the clutch again the light will go off meaning you are in a full gear once again.


Don't let the above confuse you or don't over analyse it, you'll be fine

TallGlass

Well, I suppose that's a bit mental. Then again, if you explain to someone how you change gear on a motorcycle it might seem fairly technical. Then again there's a name for the type of gearbox, think it's a fixed as you have to go into the gear even if you don't want to use it. Like if you want 4/5 you go 1/2/3/4/5 but in a car you could go 1/2/5 if you wanted.

Plan to start the lessons in Jan. How you find them, is there much difference between the car and truck or just the size, I would be fairly decent at anticipation since driving the bike as you need to be constantly having that safety space, assume its the same in a truck due to the size/weight of it.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Plan to start the lessons in Jan. How you find them, is there much difference between the car and truck or just the size, I would be fairly decent at anticipation since driving the bike as you need to be constantly having that safety space, assume its the same in a truck due to the size/weight of it.

You need to take a wider longer angle when turning corners, also as the brakes are on air you will initially find that very different.

Anticipation is a good bit of it when starting out.

There are many blind spots in a truck.

This RSA video will give you some idea.

For the record, i drive a truck identical to this.

I know with bikes, life savers are a big one.

Have you decided on a school of motoring to do your lessons with?

Which part of the country are you in?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXgFnojE--k

TallGlass

Going to do them with the ISM. It's right next to the test centre I want to use and used them when doing the bike, they give you a pretest before so that always nice to warm up before the exam.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Going to do them with the ISM. It's right next to the test centre I want to use and used them when doing the bike, they give you a pretest before so that always nice to warm up before the exam.

They can also get you work if you ever decide to go driving for a living through their own recruitment office.

I've dealt with Eoghan Kennedy a few times, seem like sound people.

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

They can also get you work if you ever decide to go driving for a living through their own recruitment office.

I've dealt with Eoghan Kennedy a few times, seem like sound people.

Looking there Colliers driving school do the lessons also and are significantly cheaper than ISM. Any experience with them guys? 2 hour lesson for 100€ vs 140€, rental is cheaper with ISM at 190€ vs 210€ with Colliers.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Looking there Colliers driving school do the lessons also and are significantly cheaper than ISM. Any experience with them guys? 2 hour lesson for 100€ vs 140€, rental is cheaper with ISM at 190€ vs 210€ with Colliers.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055140227

Historic thread there on them, it may help you decide though.

The only 2 I have heard of in Dublin are ISM and Airport school of motoring.

boardsuser1

https://airportdrivingschool.com/

I’ve heard all sorts about Airport school of motoring from fellow truckers but I have no direct experience.

They are also Dublin 11 based.

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

https://airportdrivingschool.com/

I’ve heard all sorts about Airport school of motoring from fellow truckers but I have no direct experience.

They are also Dublin 11 based.

Ah wouldn't go with ASM, remember them ringing me up before saying they would hire me, just had to do a driving assessment with them for some amount of money but no job at the end of it. Not a chance would I get myself lessons from them just for operating like that.

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055140227

Historic thread there on them, it may help you decide though.

Not much in that, reviews online seem decent. In fairness, I might just get the one lesson with them and if the gut isn't happy then I will go elsewhere.

With the A/B behind me, I know when someone is talking bollix! But I like the idea of someone straight talking, I done the A licence with a guy and his approach I don't think would be for anyone easily offended. He would give you a bollixing if you messed up and rightly so.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Ah wouldn't go with ASM, remember them ringing me up before saying they would hire me, just had to do a driving assessment with them for some amount of money but no job at the end of it. Not a chance would I get myself lessons from them just for operating like that.

Didn't realise they were like that, although i did hear some alleged negativity about them.

TallGlass wrote: »

Not much in that, reviews online seem decent. In fairness, I might just get the one lesson with them and if the gut isn't happy then I will go elsewhere.
1 Lesson with ISM?
With the A/B behind me, I know when someone is talking bollix! But I like the idea of someone straight talking, I done the A licence with a guy and his approach I don't think would be for anyone easily offended. He would give you a bollixing if you messed up and rightly so.

I like honesty in people, especially in this area.

TallGlass

With Colliers might do one with them see how it is. Can't wait to get started, but don't want to rush it so think will try have everything ready to go for January.

finnharpsboy

TallGlass wrote: »

With Colliers might do one with them see how it is. Can't wait to get started, but don't want to rush it so think will try have everything ready to go for January.

I did mine with Swilly.... they were charging €65 per hour, or 8 hours plus hire of the truck for €600.
Instructors are a dream, the fella in the office is a bit haphazard though 😀

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

With Colliers might do one with them see how it is. Can't wait to get started, but don't want to rush it so think will try have everything ready to go for January.

Take your time with it, Rome wasn't built in a day. From rigid to Artic took me 3 years for example.

finnharpsboy wrote: »

I did mine with Swilly.... they were charging €65 per hour, or 8 hours plus hire of the truck for €600.
Instructors are a dream, the fella in the office is a bit haphazard though ��

That seems like a good price.

Was that a package deal paid for upfront?

finnharpsboy

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

That seems like a good price.

Was that a package deal paid for upfront?

Yeah paid for upfront, as you may have seen from another thread my boss paid for mine so i didnt have a big outlay.

Hire of the truck on its own is €200

boardsuser1

finnharpsboy wrote: »

Yeah paid for upfront, as you may have seen from another thread my boss paid for mine so i didnt have a big outlay.

Hire of the truck on its own is €200

Yes we discussed it over there

TallGlass

finnharpsboy wrote: »

Yeah paid for upfront, as you may have seen from another thread my boss paid for mine so i didnt have a big outlay.

Hire of the truck on its own is €200

Did you pass? I think it was yourself, the tester called in sick or something..

Are Swilly any good? I don't want to race to the bottom on price, but if they are good and at that price I won't complain.

Yeah Rome wasn't but I have the itch to get started.

Do I have to wait six month to schedule a test?

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Did you pass? I think it was yourself, the tester called in sick or something..

Are Swilly any good? I don't want to race to the bottom on price, but if they are good and at that price I won't complain.

Yeah Rome wasn't but I have the itch to get started.

Do I have to wait six month to schedule a test?

Finnharpsboy passed his test

I did my own rigid test with Swilly and got it

Stephen Sweeney looked after me.

The race to the bottom is what the trucking industry has become in many area's.

It is slowly recovering but not by the standards of years ago, and it never will as automation comes ever closer.

There is no 6 month wait for categories C,D,CE.

I know the CPC isn't part of your initial plans at present but it might be wise to have it even if you don't plan to do it straight away, it will work out cheaper in the long run for you.

finnharpsboy

TallGlass wrote: »

Did you pass? I think it was yourself, the tester called in sick or something..

Are Swilly any good? I don't want to race to the bottom on price, but if they are good and at that price I won't complain.

Yeah Rome wasn't but I have the itch to get started.

Do I have to wait six month to schedule a test?

Yeah I passed
I didnt do lessons with anyone else but the instructor i had, Francie, really was good. The odd little bollocking if you did something silly but nothing over the top.

Pre-test before the test i made a right mess of setting up for the left hand reverse round the corner, Francie not so much roared at me but gave me a right WTF are ya at..... Exact same corner in the test, not a single fault.

Four Lessons was enough for me but take your time and find an instructor your happy with and it will all fall into place for you.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

I have the current disc. Is it easy to make a copy? If so, I’ll email it to you in a zip doc.

boardsuser1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

I have the current disc. Is it easy to make a copy? If so, I’ll email it to you in a zip doc.

Edition 8?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Edition 8?

The most recent one. I bought it a couple of months ago. Is ed 8 out yet?

boardsuser1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

The most recent one. I bought it a couple of months ago. Is ed 8 out yet?

Same cover as this?

http://www.bookstation.ie/bestsellers/115-official-driver-theory-test-q-a-book-6th-edition.html

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Same cover as this?

http://www.bookstation.ie/bestsellers/115-official-driver-theory-test-q-a-book-6th-edition.html

Christ. I only bought it earlier this year (March perhaps?) in Easons in Swords.

Didn’t realise there’d been two whole editions since!

boardsuser1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Christ. I only bought it earlier this year (March perhaps?) in Easons in Swords.

Didn’t realise there’d been two whole editions since!

Usually every 2 years around October.

Your edition says Edition 6 October 2013, so yeah edition 8 is out,7 was well out when you got your one.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Usually every 2 years around October.

Your edition says Edition 6 October 2013, so yeah edition 8 is out,7 was well out when you got your one.

Christ, why were Easons even selling it? I might dig out my bank statements and complain. Someone should be severely punished for selling out of date software. The updated and new questions could be the difference between a pass and a fail for candidates using the old disc that was sold.

TallGlass

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Christ, why were Easons even selling it? I might dig out my bank statements and complain. Someone should be severely punished for selling out of date software. The updated and new questions could be the difference between a pass and a fail for candidates using the old disc that was sold.

That syllabus was still active up until the 13th of Nov I think. In fairness, I think Prometric made an arse of the switch over. I was in a panic thinking all the questions would be different, but the bank still has the same questions and a few updated/added in.

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

I know the CPC isn't part of your initial plans at present but it might be wise to have it even if you don't plan to do it straight away, it will work out cheaper in the long run for you.

To be honest with ye, I haven't even looked at anything to do with CPC, I just seen a load of case studies and didn't really get the idea of what was going on.

I have module 1 done of the CPC with getting the learner permit, is that correct? What's module 2 then, is that another test with Prometric and then module 3 is with the RSA while I do the driving test?

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

To be honest with ye, I haven't even looked at anything to do with CPC, I just seen a load of case studies and didn't really get the idea of what was going on.

I have module 1 done of the CPC with getting the learner permit, is that correct? What's module 2 then, is that another test with Prometric and then module 3 is with the RSA while I do the driving test?

You have module 1 done? : confused:

Modules are only done by those who hold a licence.

There are 6 modules in total.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Getting-your-CPC/

The above link is how you get your CPC.

2 x theory tests
A cases studies exam, a total of 3 of them.

And a show and tell,a walk around of your truck/Bus.

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

You have module 1 done? : confused:

Modules are only done by those who hold a licence.

There are 6 modules in total.

http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Professional-Drivers/Driver-Hours/Getting-your-CPC/

The above link is how you get your CPC.

2 x theory tests
A cases studies exam, a total of 3 of them.

And a show and tell,a walk around of your truck/Bus.

Sorry on mobile but talking about this;

To become a professional bus or truck driver and obtain your ‘initial CPC’ you first must pass:

The new truck, the new bus or the new Combined Truck and Bus theory test as appropriate. (This new test permits successful candidates to apply for their learner permit as well as counting as a Pass for CPC Step 1)
Two-hour case study theory test (Known as CPC Step 2)
The standard 90-minute driving test (Known as CPC Step 3)
30-minute practical test (Known as CPC Step 4)
Please note: If you obtained your bus or truck learner permit before 30th September 2014 you will need to complete the CPC Step 1 theory test (set out at No 1 above).

In addition, you must then maintain your Driver CPC by completing the periodic refresher training of at least 35 hours of training over each five year period. If you are maintaining both a bus and a truck CPC you must complete 42hours training over each five year period.

So am I right in saying as above, I have step 1 done? I passed the combined bus/truck theory test.

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Sorry on mobile but talking about this;



So am I right in saying as above, I have step 1 done? I passed the combined bus/truck theory test.

Jasus that's all changed.

It appears you are correct in what you are saying though about step 1.

TallGlass

Cork Truck Driver wrote: »

Jasus that's all changed.

It appears you are correct in what you are saying though about step 1.

Aye, changed quite a bit it seems, so I might be better doing the step 2 just before my driving test as then I would have step 1/2/3 done? Then step 4 would have me have a full CPC then?

boardsuser1

TallGlass wrote: »

Aye, changed quite a bit it seems, so I might be better doing the step 2 just before my driving test as then I would have step 1/2/3 done? Then step 4 would have me have a full CPC then?

It has changed alot since i did mine,having just looked further into it :eek:

Yes, if you follow steps 1-4 you're sorted

If i compare the new system to the way i did it, step 4 can be done before step 3 in this case.

In my own case i did the CPC after the test for the rigid and before the test for the bus.

In the rigid i started off the shpw and tell from the drivers door and showed the tester what i would do as part of my daily walk around check, the below is not an exhaustive list,but just a sample of some of what i said:

Steps
Mirrors
Glass
Under the arch for contraband
Wheel nuts present and undanaged
Tyres with no cracks,buldges,abrasions & thread dept not below 1.6mm
Wipers
Lights
Tax,Insurance,CVRT.

In cab then is:

Indicator stalk
Turn on dipped lights/full beams
Heater switches
Hazard lights
Open down the window to give hand signals

Show them the calibration plate, usually just inside the door under the drivers seat.

Tachograph to be inspected every 2 years, calibrated every 6.


http://www.naascvrt.ie/services.html

TallGlass

On that. Would you do the Cab first? That you could start it up, leave lights on, indicators etc.. so you could check them while you do the walk around, and also check exhaust, and unusual noises?

Yeah might do the CPC if it isn't too much hassle. Also actually do you don't do a walk around check with the RSA tester before the test? I had to do one on the Motorbike.