should there be a benefit for people who have no intention to work?

Carra 8

It has just dawned on me that Jobseekers Allowance and Jobseekers benefit are only available to you if you say you are willing and able and looking for work. What about those of us who are not seeking to work anytime soon? Personally I can't seem to get myself to interviews or job opportunities through probably bad laziness lack of motivation and extreme anxiety but I am also not collecting any benefits as I don't want to provide people with any proof of anything. I don't want stress or worry in my life that's why I hate and avoid these things. I know without a job ill never be able to afford anything nice but that's fine with me.

Wanderer78

The short answer is, yes, there should be. The root causes of unemployment, particularly long-term unemployment are actually very complex, but sadly we tend not to address these issues very well, and in many cases, not at all. Our policy makers tend to show very poor understanding of these issues, and I'd say in some cases, just simply don't care, concentrating mainly on their own agenda and ideologies.

An interesting twist to this is, not too long ago we were told, in the 'future', we would be working less, giving us more time to engage in our past times with our loved ones, but the reality is almost the opposite. Why is this?

In all, I'd say everybody gets shafted, the employed and the unemployed, of course you can debate by how much of each.

Carra 8

Wanderer78 wrote: »

The short answer is, yes, there should be. The root causes of unemployment, particularly long-term unemployment are actually very complex, but sadly we tend not to address these issues very well, and in many cases, not at all. Our policy makers tend to show very poor understanding of these issues, and I'd say in some cases, just simply don't care, concentrating mainly on their own agenda and ideologies.

An interesting twist to this is, not too long ago we were told, in the 'future', we would be working less, giving us more time to engage in our past times with our loved ones, but the reality is almost the opposite. Why is this?

In all, I'd say everybody gets shafted, the employed and the unemployed, of course you can debate by how much of each.

Exactly those who don't work end up enjoying no quality of life or hard to get by and those who do are slaving , doing crazy hours in jobs they hate and places they'd rather not be.
Although if this benefit did become available I don't think it should be anywhere near the amount of JB or JA.

foxatron

Carra 8 wrote:

It has just dawned on me that Jobseekers Allowance and Jobseekers benefit are only available to you if you say you are willing and able and looking for work. What about those of us who are not seeking to work anytime soon? Personally I can't seem to get myself to interviews or job opportunities through probably bad laziness lack of motivation and extreme anxiety but I am also not collecting any benefits as I don't want to provide people with any proof of anything. I don't want stress or worry in my life that's why I hate and avoid these things. I know without a job ill never be able to afford anything nice but that's fine with me.

How do you survive day to day? Do you have saving or a mortgage free house?
I think there needs to be some level of welfare but I think it should definitely be quite low for people who can work but just choose not to.
I ways thought food stamps would be worth a try.

Zulu

No disposable allowance should be provided. Only something akin to food stamps or credit.

Carra 8

foxatron wrote: »

How do you survive day to day? Do you have saving or a mortgage free house?
I think there needs to be some level of welfare but I think it should definitely be quite low for people who can work but just choose not to.
I ways thought food stamps would be worth a try.

My father died two years ago and the mortgage was paid off then , I live with my mother and she pays for groceries etc Although the basic basics , I'm 20 and enjoy a measly life by most people's standards I can never go out with friends or socialise etc But that's okay with me. I enjoy my mothers company and she enjoys mine but I feel I may have a lot of mental problems compared to others

Wanderer78

Carra 8 wrote:

Exactly those who don't work end up enjoying no quality of life or hard to get by and those who do are slaving , doing crazy hours in jobs they hate and places they'd rather not be. Although if this benefit did become available I don't think it should be anywhere near the amount of JB or JA.

It's important to note, it's virtually impossible to survive in the modern society without money, or some form of it. I know many unemployed, it's not a lavish lifestyle, some chose to be unemployed, some simply cannot work for various reasons. Volunteery work can ease the mind of guilt, if permitted!

doolox

If as you say you are suffering from anxiety and rate your self as "too lazy" or demotivated to seek and engage in a work life then you may be suffering from some form of depression.

There are many people who have obtained a Disabled persons maintenance allowance by getting a diagnosis from a reputable registered professional and meeting the required criteria regarding wealth and non waged earnings.

The modern workplace is now so intensive and demanding that the days of clockwatchers and halfhearted participation are long gone, except in very low paid or sectors with a high demand and high turnover of staff.

I know of very few people who actually hate their jobs nowadays whereas 30 years ago most people I knew were always on the dodge and doing half hearted sloppy work which often had to be rectified and covered up by the more conscientious members of staff.

If this condition distresses you in any way it might be time to talk to a registered professional. How do you live without money?

Carra 8

doolox wrote: »

If as you say you are suffering from anxiety and rate your self as "too lazy" or demotivated to seek and engage in a work life then you may be suffering from some form of depression.

There are many people who have obtained a Disabled persons maintenance allowance by getting a diagnosis from a reputable registered professional and meeting the required criteria regarding wealth and non waged earnings.

The modern workplace is now so intensive and demanding that the days of clockwatchers and halfhearted participation are long gone, except in very low paid or sectors with a high demand and high turnover of staff.

I know of very few people who actually hate their jobs nowadays whereas 30 years ago most people I knew were always on the dodge and doing half hearted sloppy work which often had to be rectified and covered up by the more conscientious members of staff.

If this condition distresses you in any way it might be time to talk to a registered professional. How do you live without money?

Many a person will say I'm just a lazy **** but I'm generally afraid of a hard working day and can't even imagine doing a week , I've rarely ever stepped outside my comfort zone in my life which may be a factor , I don't really exist in most people's eyes tbh , I wouldn't leave the house for days on end then maybe go for a walk for 45 mins and home , anything without money I do which is not a lot , I watch a lot of horse racing and sport altho I'd never be able to bet I jus like it.

lawred2

Carra 8 wrote: »

Many a person will say I'm just a lazy **** but I'm generally afraid of a hard working day and can't even imagine doing a week , I've rarely ever stepped outside my comfort zone in my life which may be a factor , I don't really exist in most people's eyes tbh , I wouldn't leave the house for days on end then maybe go for a walk for 45 mins and home , anything without money I do which is not a lot , I watch a lot of horse racing and sport altho I'd never be able to bet I jus like it.

well to be fair....

It's not healthy for your body, soul or mind to be idle. I take it that you are not actively engaged in education?

You should at least be getting out and going for a run a few days a week.

Get yourself out of the house.

Carra 8

lawred2 wrote: »

well to be fair....

It's not healthy for your body, soul or mind to be idle. I take it that you are not actively engaged in education?

You should at least be getting out and going for a run a few days a week.

Get yourself out of the house.

I've come to find this especially after quitting football which I played at quite a high level in this country in LOI but I was also quite bright at school according teachers , sometimes I say to myself would you not put in the hard yards and hours to be able to go off on that holiday with the lads or night out etc but I always end up staying in bed.
Can drive you a bit up the wall some days but if something on Tele or whatever keeps you occupied. I was previously on JSA about a year ago when I generally thought I was looking for a job but didn't attend one of the interviews and got caught off, that basically made me realise that I'm generally entitled to nothing when I do this.

Colonel Claptrap

Carra 8 wrote: »

Many a person will say I'm just a lazy **** but I'm generally afraid of a hard working day and can't even imagine doing a week , I've rarely ever stepped outside my comfort zone in my life which may be a factor , I don't really exist in most people's eyes tbh , I wouldn't leave the house for days on end then maybe go for a walk for 45 mins and home , anything without money I do which is not a lot , I watch a lot of horse racing and sport altho I'd never be able to bet I jus like it.

Might I suggest volunteering in a local charity shop for a few hours per week?

If anything, getting out of the house and engaging with people will do wonders for your mental health.

There's a large chasm between a full working week and your current arrangement. Trying to bridge thar gap must feel daunting. Maybe a few hours in a charity shop with a view to getting a small part time job might help. At least it gives you a small, attainable goal. Forget a 9-5 job for the moment. Baby steps.

bucketybuck

Carra 8 wrote: »

My father died two years ago and the mortgage was paid off then , I live with my mother and she pays for groceries etc Although the basic basics

You are on benefits. The difference is that you are taking them from your mother instead of the state. Free rent, free food, zero contribution, good for you.

Carra 8

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Might I suggest volunteering in a local charity shop for a few hours per week?

If anything, getting out of the house and engaging with people will do wonders for your mental health.

There's a large chasm between a full working week and your current arrangement. Trying to bridge thar gap must feel daunting. Maybe a few hours in a charity shop with a view to getting a small part time job might help. At least it gives you a small, attainable goal. Forget a 9-5 job for the moment. Baby steps.

It's something I've generally thought about and my mother has pushed me to do , it would be quite rewarding also know your helping others. Would feel abut odd for me tryna help others tho when at the back of my mind ino I'm not a moral or angel being by any means , my heart goes out to homeless people tho because I know that reality for me will probly never be too far away in my predicament.

Carra 8

bucketybuck wrote: »

You are on benefits. The difference is that you are taking them from your mother instead of the state. Free rent, free food, zero contribution, good for you.

Id agree if makes me be a scrounger in fact , I enjoy her company tho and I'd like to think she enjoys mine altho would like to see me have q life , my argument tho would be when you have kids tho there's a sense of obligation there up until there 18 and if it didn't turn out how you wanted you may feel quite guilty about who they have become

mikemac2

You’ll get a full time job OP but take a few steps to that first.

You played LOI football, could you do your coaching badges and train underage teams to get you out of the house and keep you occupied?

And just to say playing sport to a high level in front of spectators and delivering instructions in front of 25 teenagers could crack and fluster the most self assured professional you see in a good job in your town

So if you can do this well it’s a great achievement imo

And if you are a good footballer and could sign for Shelbourne then sign up , we need good players for a promotion push

Carra 8

mikemac2 wrote: »

You’ll get a full time job OP but take a few steps to that first.

You played LOI football, could you do your coaching badges and train underage teams to get you out of the house and keep you occupied?

Always something I thought of doing , I feel I could bring a sense of modernisation and new ideas if I was handed a coaching role but I know the whole badge and courses system in place and with all being said I don't think I could let young lads tho by saying your not good enough or your on the bench today etc because ino how that made me feel at that age but that's another discussion altogether , I was actually meant to be at a job for 10 o'clock this morning that I was confident in being offered as there were certain documentation I was told bring with me but sure enough I couldn't bring meself to get out of bed , wash and travel to be in with a chance of full time work and a schedule and paycheck. I feel annoyed and awful about this after but its the overthinking, anxiety and analysing before I even go the interview that swallows me up. My mother says problem is I have more excuses then solutions and choose not to push myself which is true but I feel so damn hard

lawred2

Carra 8 wrote: »

Always something I thought of doing , I feel I could bring a sense of modernisation and new ideas if I was handed a coaching role but I know the whole badge and courses system in place and with all being said I don't think I could let young lads tho by saying your not good enough or your on the bench today etc because ino how that made me feel at that age but that's another discussion altogether , I was actually meant to be at a job for 10 o'clock this morning that I was confident in being offered as there were certain documentation I was told bring with me but sure enough I couldn't bring meself to get out of bed , wash and travel to be in with a chance of full time work and a schedule and paycheck. I feel annoyed and awful about this after but its the overthinking, anxiety and analysing before I even go the interview that swallows me up. My mother says problem is I have more excuses then solutions and choose not to push myself which is true but I feel so damn hard

Stop inventing reasons not to do something. Just do it.

Geuze

Carra 8 wrote: »

It has just dawned on me that Jobseekers Allowance and Jobseekers benefit are only available to you if you say you are willing and able and looking for work.

The clue is in the name.

These schemes are for job-seekers.

Geuze

You are a NEET.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET


I strongly discourage anybody from being a NEET.

Here we go

It should be paid but people who work should be better off working then not.And that's the issue we see to many people better off unemployed then some are working. Not all of course.But there are other ways to tackle that higher min wage better contracts better tax system.But it suits some to pit citizen against citizen then the country against vested interests people need to live children need to be feed clothed and housed and even if you don't think X sohould be able to claim so much for having lots of kids those kids are blameless and still need to be cared for

Carra 8

Geuze wrote: »

You are a NEET.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEET


I strongly discourage anybody from being a NEET.

I've looked it up and its the first time I've ever heard that phrase used , I'm sure these quite a few of this but as said the world doesn't really take notice and no reason why they should as we offer no value to society.

OP, shame on you.

A job there for the taking (based on your account) yet you wouldn’t get out of the bed and turn up.

Your mother must be apalled with that carry on. A bit of hunger and the want for a warm bed would do you some good.

Carra 8

Here we go wrote: »

It should be paid but people who work should be better off working then not.And that's the issue we see to many people better off unemployed then some are working. Not all of course.But there are other ways to tackle that higher min wage better contracts better tax system.But it suits some to pit citizen against citizen then the country against vested interests people need to live children need to be feed clothed and housed and even if you don't think X sohould be able to claim so much for having lots of kids those kids are blameless and still need to be cared for

Couldnt agree more I admire and generally don't know how people work because I can't even imagine what way you come home feeling everyday I'd probably fall in the door headfirst. My friends enjoy a pretty good weekend life when they are bringing in a wage which is probably the biggest thing I miss out on besides holidays etc

Carra 8

JayZeus wrote: »

OP, shame on you.

A job there for the taking (based on your account) yet you wouldn’t get out of the bed and turn up.

Your mother must be apalled with that carry on. A bit of hunger and the want for a warm bed would do you some good.

It does make me feel guilty but the fact is I don't even think I would be able , it was at a fast food chain and about half an hour bus journey away. To most people they'd be gone out the door down the road without a thought when out of work for over two Years since I left secondary but for me I couldn't even imagine myself working or being able to cope in a high pressure environment , my mother has come to expect me to do this and she just sees it as the norm these days

Chancer3001

Why not go to the doctor and explain all this ?

If it's depression or mental health issues .. then you can start to fix it .

Here we go

Carra 8 wrote: »

Couldnt agree more I admire and generally don't know how people work because I can't even imagine what way you come home feeling everyday I'd probably fall in the door headfirst. My friends enjoy a pretty good weekend life when they are bringing in a wage which is probably the biggest thing I miss out on besides holidays etc

Maybe look at jobs you might enjoy if it's possible it always better to enjoy your work then not and there's other benefits on the mental health side to working unemployment can cause isolation depression while work life has benefits beyond money you make new friends have a better feeling about your self and leads to more activity I don't think you should be forced to work in an area or with people that make you dread going but if you can find a job you like your better off working then not

Carra 8

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Why not go to the doctor and explain all this ?

If it's depression or mental health issues .. then you can start to fix it .

I actually have he explained it was severe anxiety , I take a tablet morning and night thats a relaxer but I still get bad anxiety , seems as if nothing really can be done til I want to.

Harika

While I would agree with the basic premise, studies have shown that only a small percentage of unemployed are trying to avoid to work. It was like in the low single digits, and to weed those people out costs more than leaving them ride the system. Overall it is quite hard and stressful to avoid the already existing systems in place, to avoid getting caught not wanting to work. And by tightening the screws you just create a system that prefers to punish people over actually help them getting into work.

Geuze

Carra 8 wrote: »

I've looked it up and its the first time I've ever heard that phrase used , I'm sure these quite a few of this but as said the world doesn't really take notice and no reason why they should as we offer no value to society.

Every single person can offer value to society.

Harika

Geuze wrote: »

Every single person can offer value to society.

This value unfortunately won't always feed you. That's where the Universal Basic Income is coming into play to catch this cases.

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

Every single person can offer value to society.

Can, yes. Does, no.

Carra 8

Harika wrote: »

This value unfortunately won't always feed you. That's where the Universal Basic Income is coming into play to catch this cases.

Would definetly be interesting to see how it works , makes a ton of sense in theory

Hitman3000

Another dole bashing thread on Boards, what a surprise.

lawred2

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Another dole bashing thread on Boards, what a surprise.

?

have you even read the thread?

Carra 8

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Another dole bashing thread on Boards, what a surprise.

Not at all mate haha quite the opposite in fact

Beasty

I don't think the rest of us should subsidise any adult who has "no intention" to work apart from those who are too sick to work (or indeed have earned a pension and choose not to work during retirenent)

It's essentially an incentive not to bother and indeed makes a mockery of those of us who do seek to pay their way

I would add that I have no issue if someone is actively seeking work or indeed doing something constructive on an unpaid basis

Wanderer78

Beasty wrote:

I don't think the rest of us should subsidise any adult who has "no intention" to work apart from those who are too sick to work (or indeed have earned a pension and choose not to work during retirenent)

What should we do with them if they don't work or don't want to work?

Dial Hard

Carra 8 wrote:

Couldnt agree more I admire and generally don't know how people work because I can't even imagine what way you come home feeling everyday I'd probably fall in the door headfirst. My friends enjoy a pretty good weekend life when they are bringing in a wage which is probably the biggest thing I miss out on besides holidays etc

I think you mean genuinely.

OP, I've been out of work for the past few months for the first time since I was 17 (I'm 35) and believe me, being at home all day every day is far, far more depressing than going to work. You seem to have built the idea of work up in your head into something daunting and terrifying, but I can hand on heart say that it's better than your current existence. You sound so deep in your little pit that you don't even realise how abnormal your situation is. The vast, vast, vast majority of people are able to work, and I know plenty of people who are genuinely unable to work because of disability who would love nothing more than to be able to get a job.

I find it a bit strange that your mother is enabling your current situation so much. Does she work herself?

I definitely think it would be worth your while seeking some counselling for your issues. I don't know anyone who springs out of their bed every morning filled with joy at the idea of going to work, but nor do I know anyone who just went "Ho hum, not for me" and opted out.

seamus

I would strongly suggest seeking the help of a better medical professional. Pills alone will not take mental health problems away, they will only mask them.

You most likely need regular sessions with someone who can guide you out of your rut rather than sending you home with a pill to take morning and night.

Unfortunately this is all a vicious cycle and the more embedded you get in your rut, the harder it is to get out of it.

Viewing it all in one go is daunting. Trying to imagine yourself working a 40 hour week no doubt feels like standing at the bottom of Everest and looking up.

But it's proven that making small goals in life and aiming for them is far more effective than having long-term goals. Long-term goals are virtually always over-reaching and too easily derailed & delayed. Short term goals are way easier and give you a better sense of accomplishment.

The suggestion above about charity work is a great one. It doesn't have to be a charity shop selling second hand stuff to old people; it can be anything at all that you like. Animal shelters always need people to help out walking dogs or brushing cats and so forth. And they're happy for any amount of hours you can give.

Ultimately you need a reality check. Not because, "You have to work". But because one day your mother will die and you will have no income and suddenly have to function like a normal adult. And if you haven't already been a functioning adult for a decade before that time, it will be very, very difficult.

I also fear you have a very skewed idea of what "work" has to be. You view it as a binary decision - "don't work" -v- "slaving away doing crazy hours in a job you hate". There is a happy medium, which many people occupy. And believe it or not you're in the perfect place to aim for the happy medium. You have no outgoings, no loans, no dependents. You don't need to earn €60k a year to keep a roof over your head. If you got out and did 15-20 hours a week you'd probably have enough money to enjoy yourself without feeling like you're killing yourself doing something you hate.

But forget that for now. Find something charitable that you enjoy, and aim to do that for a half day or two each week. Even if that "something" is helping out at the training sessions with the local football teams.

Then just see where that takes you.

Fuko200

I’m a similar case to you op, im also 20 and I’m genuinely afraid of working.
I suffer heavily with anxiety where I often feel like getting sick just talking to my family or my gf at times.
I’m currently on disability due to some other long term mental issues which I’m trying to get help for and was also advised not to work until they are sorted.
In my case regarding work, deep down I’d love to just leave my room and go to work as I want to move out from my families home, but I have extreme paranoia where I think if I leave my room I’ll die.
I don’t have a good education (was expelled due to behavior, which later turned out to be a symptom that was out of my control) and also failed youthreach lvl 5 (I broke my ankle at the start of the year so I lost a lot of time for work).
I have a lot of work experience due to school and youthreach, but during them all I was rarely in due to stress and panic attacks from paranoia.

I think you should try charity work, it might help just get you out a bit more but you should also contact your gp since I find taking pills doesn’t help just on their own. Also I’m sure your mam just wants you to be happy but also live a life where you can afford stuff you enjoy. Also try and get out of your house more, possibly going on longer walks each day can really help.

Sorry if my comment doesn’t help much, just felt I should comment and attempt to offer some help.

almostbroke

Carra 8 wrote: »

I've looked it up and its the first time I've ever heard that phrase used , I'm sure these quite a few of this but as said the world doesn't really take notice and no reason why they should as we offer no value to society.

Everybody has value....you seem to have really low self esteem. You really should seek help for this or it will get worse as you get older. Somebody suggested doing volunteer work....its the best thing to get people out of themselves, it feels good to help people in need, makes you realise how lucky you are, gives you confidence, maybe help you to make the step towards getting a job, even if its part time, you would survive on it, as you are mortgage free. You are living a very unhealthy life...its not good, physically or mentally to continue this. Nobody can make this change except you....try to find volunteer work in an area that interests you.....check out volunteer.ie......best of luck.

PokeHerKing

Wanderer78 wrote:

What should we do with them if they don't work or don't want to work?

Step over them?

Smegging hell

Some great advice above OP. It's worth looking to see if you could find a decent counsellor. I went to one when I was younger and it really helped with my anxiety. Volunteering will also be a positive step forward towards ultimately getting out of your current rut.

Adviceme

I'm not working either at the moment. I am applying for jobs but part of me is so scared of getting one. I suffer with bad mental health from a culmination of events from the past few years. I do admit that being unemployed is probably making me worse though. I'm so lost as to how to get myself out of this. I cry all the time about it. Everybody else views me as lazy and unmotivated.

almostbroke

Adviceme wrote: »

I'm not working either at the moment. I am applying for jobs but part of me is so scared of getting one. I suffer with bad mental health from a culmination of events from the past few years. I do admit that being unemployed is probably making me worse though. I'm so lost as to how to get myself out of this. I cry all the time about it. Everybody else views me as lazy and unmotivated.

Jeez....this is just awful....another young person suffering from anxiety like this...I really wish I could do something constructive to help you and the others who posted....if you cant get professional help, then a good friend or someone who will just LISTEN to you would be hugely beneficial and might make a real difference to you...can I pm you?

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's important to note, it's virtually impossible to survive in the modern society without money, or some form of it.

I always like to see your alternative views in these threads wanderer!

I'd point out that the survival rates in times past for anyone who wasn't able to or didn't want to work was a lot lower than it is today, as was standard of living, quality of life, everything.

Modern times are great, relatively speaking along just about every index.

Hearkening back to a time that never was in order to criticise what you don't like about today isn't a feasible argument.

Beasty

Wanderer78 wrote: »

What should we do with them if they don't work or don't want to work?

I was referring to those who don't want to work only. What should we do with them? Leave them to work out for themselves that you do not get anything for nothing in life. They may then come round to a more sensible way of thinking, or perhaps scrounge off family members or other forms of charity.

Fuko200

Adviceme wrote: »

I'm not working either at the moment. I am applying for jobs but part of me is so scared of getting one. I suffer with bad mental health from a culmination of events from the past few years. I do admit that being unemployed is probably making me worse though. I'm so lost as to how to get myself out of this. I cry all the time about it. Everybody else views me as lazy and unmotivated.

I understand where your coming from, I often cry each day since i don’t have much to do and im stuck in my room, and my sisters and parents think I choose to feel like sh*t, and that I’m just so lazy that I want everything handed to me when I’m far from that.

Carra 8

Thanks to the replies directed at me I appreciate the advice , it might be something I look at , I have just accepted this to be my life and ino I can maybe see a different side to everything but ill have to leave my comfort zone which isnt my speciality or something I strive to do a lot but its given me food for thought

I agree that if you work enjoy your salary and all that comes with that also , and anyone on JA or JB should be on way more (102-188) then a not wanting to work benefit but maybe it would filter out those from JB and JA to take the new benefit which would ne a much reduced sum I dunno 25-50 depending on age etc

Harika

Beasty wrote: »

I was referring to those who don't want to work only. What should we do with them? Leave them to work out for themselves that you do not get anything for nothing in life. They may then come round to a more sensible way of thinking, or perhaps scrounge off family members or other forms of charity.

I don't have numbers for Ireland, but Austria. There were like 320.000 people registered as unemployed and officially there are 2.800 jobs registered as immediately available. While a lot of jobs are not registered, you don't need to be a master mathematician, to see that there are not enough jobs for everyone available.
Then there is the skill gap, as someone with lower secondary education won't be able to take on every of the 2.800 jobs. And most of the job seekers have lower education than the jobs offered requiere.
Overall a stronger whip won't help here, it will only achieve satisfaction with who think they are forced subsidize those beggars, while they are themselves only a step away from losing their jobs.
Same with the age, 50+ people are harder to employ, than a 20 year old.
On the plus side, something like 90% of people in Austria find a new job within three months. So it is hard to say, that those 320.000 are all lazy.