Another dead horse in Kilkenny.

Sweetemotion

Driving in Kilkenny this evening came across flashing lights, at first I thought it was a check point but nope. A dead horse in the middle of the road.

What the hell is happening in Kilkenny? My daughter was with me and was shaking with anger.

To use it looked like some little scumbag just took the harness of the poor animal and left it too die. I hope not.:mad:

Jim Bob Scratcher

I think we all know which ethnic group is responsible for this.

The_Valeyard

Disgusting.

Tommy Ferguson

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

I think we all know which ethnic group is responsible for this.

Isis?

Tommy Ferguson

Tommy Ferguson wrote: »

Isis?

At least you can actually blame Isis for things. :rolleyes:

Ave Sodalis

The only other possible explanation is that a horse got out of its field and got hit, but I'm assuming you would have noticed the damaged car.

If it's the more probable explanation though, in cases like this I wish I believed in an afterlife so they could burn in hell. They sure aren't going to get much more than a slap on the wrist (if that) in this life... :mad:

RayM

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

I think we all know which ethnic group is responsible for this.

Yes, an entire ethnic group is clearly responsible for this horrible incident.

Sweetemotion

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

The only other possible explanation is that a horse got out of its field and got hit, but I'm assuming you would have noticed the damaged car.

If it's the more probable explanation though, in cases like this I wish I believed in an afterlife so they could burn in hell. They sure aren't going to get much more than a slap on the wrist (if that) in this life... :mad:

No damaged car to be seen. what we did was a group of four people walking the road waving us to slow down. Just them and one single squad car.

I'm not from the area but it was on a quite road between a garage with a Supermacs and Aut Even hospital at 5:30pm . So don't know if this one will make the news.

ganmo

Sweetemotion wrote: »

No damaged car to be seen. what we did was a group of four people walking the road waving us to slow down. Just them and one single squad car.

I'm not from the area but it was on a quite road coming between a garage with a Supermacs and Aut Even hospital at 5:30pm . So don't know if this one will make the news.

One dead animal ?
It'd have to be a pretty slow news day for that to make the news

Sweetemotion

ganmo wrote: »

One dead animal ?
It'd have to be a pretty slow news day for that to make the news

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/268430/breaking-kilkenny-horse-which-died-on-waste-ground-last-night-being-ate-by-dog-today.html

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/video/home/256816/video-horror-as-horse-dies-in-kilkenny-sulky-incident.html

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/calls-to-regulate-horse-drawn-vehicles-after-pony-euthanized-following-accident-in-kilkenny-800898.html

Hande hoche!

Thought Sarah Jessica Parker was dead.

whisky_galore

I assume it was someone's pet and it was a little too large to flush down the toilet.

Galwayguy35

RayM wrote: »

Yes, an entire ethnic group is clearly responsible for this horrible incident.

They do treat their animals terribly, always have.

Sweetemotion

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Driving in Kilkenny this evening came across flashing lights, at first I thought it was a check point but nope. A dead horse in the middle of the road.

What the hell is happening in Kilkenny? My daughter was with me and was shaking with anger.

Talk to your daughter. Calm her down.

Horses die. It's a tough world.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They do treat their animals terribly, always have.

Quite the opposite.

Know fellows involved in point to point who say travellers treat their horses far far better than many other horse owners, because they are such a source of income for them.

But carry on with the generalising and hatred.

ganmo

ganmo wrote: »

One dead animal ?
It'd have to be a pretty slow news day for that to make the news

2 horses died in America, that should be the headlines.

Irish Guitarist

In most civilised countries you don't see horses tearing down busy roads with some idiot whipping the shite out of them.

There's a ridiculous attitude to animal welfare in Ireland.

Galwayguy35

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite the opposite.

Know fellows involved in point to point who say travellers treat their horses far far better than many other horse owners, because they are such a source of income for them.

But carry on with the generalising and hatred.

An ordinary horse is worth nothing, they only keep them because of tradition and let them roam around or use them for sulky racing often to the point of exhaustion.

Speaking of income you lot must make a tidy sum from defending them.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

It’s their culture. We all know who did this.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

It’s their culture. We all know who did this.

The Dutch?

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

An ordinary horse is worth nothing, they only keep them because of tradition and let them roam around or use them for sulky racing often to the point of exhaustion.

Speaking of income you lot must make a tidy sum from defending them.

I'd say I make as much from them as you make from hating them. Not a cent. Not being a bigot and not hating people isn't that lucrative.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

If ISIS did this we’d have a discussion about how bad ISIS are, if the Nazis did something we’d have a thread about how bad Hitlervwas but when knackers flog a horse to exhaustion, rob an elderly person, vandalise property, were not allowed to discuss and it gets shut down.

The fact that you would equate being a traveller with choosing to be a Nazi says a lot about you.

JimPa

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite the opposite.

Know fellows involved in point to point who say travellers treat their horses far far better than many other horse owners, because they are such a source of income for them.

But carry on with the generalising and hatred.

I have acquaintances from the travelling community and it's their opinion that too high a number of travellers treat their animals extremely poorly. Some get quite angry about it and their stories and experiences are fairly shocking.

It's no great surprise that valuable point to point horses may get treated with great care but the big test is when these sources of income become less valuable or even worthless (injury, grow old, etc..).

Rumple Stillson

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The Dutch?

It's always the ****ing Dutch. God I hate them.

Malayalam

Back in the 80s local kids who were NOT from the travelling community used to gallop the pregnant mares so viciously that the foals who drop out of them in the field next to where I lived. Little cnuts have been around for a long, long time. Maybe parents should be asked where are your kids right now and what are they doing?

PCeeeee

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite the opposite.

Know fellows involved in point to point who say travellers treat their horses far far better than many other horse owners, because they are such a source of income for them.

But carry on with the generalising and hatred.

I am not suggesting that all travellers treat their animal poorly that would be silly. I cannot say with certainly that this is true.

However. Trotting ponies on tarmac is bad. Using motor vehicles to pace them is bad. Underfeeding them to the point where they are obviously in poor condition is bad. Leaving equine stock to overwinter in exposed fields is bad. Not providing them with shelter and or jackets is bad. Feeding what looks to me more like silage than hay-ledge is bad. Tying them to posts (or indeed any heavy item) hammered into the ground as a means of restricting their movement is bad (fences are used by responsible owners). Buying and keeping horses without any suitable ground to keep them on is also bad for the horse.

All of this can be seen quite easily without having to consult with anyone on the point to point circuit.

Oasis1974

There's a suicidal horse cluster in Kilkenny.

tomwaterford

PCeeeee wrote: »

I am not suggesting that all travellers treat their animal poorly that would be silly. I cannot say with certainly that this is true.

However. Trotting ponies on tarmac is bad. Using motor vehicles to pace them is bad. Underfeeding them to the point where they are obviously in poor condition is bad. Leaving equine stock to overwinter in exposed fields is bad. Not providing them with shelter and or jackets is bad. Feeding what looks to me more like silage than hay-ledge is bad. Tying them to posts (or indeed any heavy item) hammered into the ground as a means of restricting their movement is bad (fences are used by responsible owners). Buying and keeping horses without any suitable ground land to keep them on is also bad for the horse.

All of this can be seen quite easily without having to consult with anyone on the point to point circuit.

Nothing wrong with outwintering animals?

Good silage is better feeding than poor haylage as it'll last longer without going off??

We used have horses tied here when we younger as they were getting too fat and caused laminitis (spelling?)...

.alot of under feeding may be pregnant horses to stop foals getting too big inside them??....anything else is cruelty...esp the starving to break their spirit so as to train them

(Dunno do travellers do this....but know some lads what train horses for them gowls that do be hunting do this:mad::mad: )

somefeen

So we have no idea how the horse died or how it got there but we're all going to get very angry anyway?

OK

Taaaaaatrrftfddddf scumbags!! Raaaaaaaaar

currants

JimPa wrote: »

I have acquaintances from the travelling community and it's their opinion that too high a number of travellers treat their animals extremely poorly. Some get quite angry about it and their stories and experiences are fairly shocking.

It's no great surprise that valuable point to point horses may get treated with great care but the big test is when these sources of income become less valuable or even worthless (injury, grow old, etc..).

Like every group there are good and bad. Sulky racing is largely specific to Travellers though and countless times I've driven through Finglas and witnessed young, untrained, terrified horses being whipped along the road with gob****es driving/revving cars close up behind them to spur them on.
Its part of a larger problem across society in this country. Some idiot farmer admitted in court a while back that he had poisoned his dog after he was prosecuted for sheep worrying. He wasn't sent to jail and failed to appear for his next court date.
Urban kids riding horses to death is common as were farmers keeping horses for EU payments and neglecting and starving them during the boom.
Then there are the thousands of horses dumped into the market by the racing industry every year. On top of that idiots buy from puppy farms/donedeal every year and dump these unfortunate animals when the kids get bored or they get sick of looking after them.
We're terrible about animal welfare in this country and the only thing that might change it is the anger of people like the OPs young daughter at the sight of wanton ignorance and cruelty. Hopefully the next generation will take a more civilised approach and not just dismiss animal suffering and death from cruelty as a fact of life.
We need massive fines and prison sentences for extreme cases to change people's behaviour and get to see that animals experience suffering when their owners dont bother to care for them properly. Ignorance is no defence really.

PCeeeee

tomwaterford wrote: »

Nothing wrong with outwintering animals?

Good silage is better feeding than poor haylage as it'll last longer without going off??

We used have horses tied here when we younger as they were getting too fat and caused laminitis (spelling?)...

.alot of under feeding may be pregnant horses to stop foals getting too big inside them??....anything else is cruelty...esp the starving to break their spirit so as to train them

(Dunno do travellers do this....but know some lads what train horses for them gowls that do be hunting do this:mad::mad: )

Nothing wrong with out wintering animals I agree. Horses need particular care however and I did specify exposed fields and jackets/rugs and shelter. Some of what I see on a regular basis is dire.

How about good haylage? (thanks for spelling)

They don't have laminitas.

The horses are in poor condition. That is a product of underfeeding. Some of them are male.

I pass them twice a day. I know what I see.

Ave Sodalis

somefeen wrote: »

So we have no idea how the horse died or how it got there but we're all going to get very angry anyway?

OK

Taaaaaatrrftfddddf scumbags!! Raaaaaaaaar

To be fair, there's only a few explanations for it:

1. Horse got out and just happened to die on the road from natural causes (least likely)
2. Horse got out and was hit by a car (but there would have been a bigger scene around it)
3. Horse was "raced" to death on the road, and left.
4. Horse was being worked by a responsible person and the horse died from natural causes through no fault of anyone.

Out of them, I think 3 is the most likely.

PCeeeee

somefeen wrote: »

So we have no idea how the horse died or how it got there but we're all going to get very angry anyway?

OK

Taaaaaatrrftfddddf scumbags!! Raaaaaaaaar

I think some of us are making what seems (to us) like the most logical conclusion. When something unusual turns up dead on the road most people do wonder how it happened. Some I'd imagine will begin to speculate. Some will use their previous personal experience to make assumptions.

You seem to be the kind of feen that is happy to await more conclusive evidence. More power to you.

tomwaterford

PCeeeee wrote: »

Nothing wrong with out wintering animals I agree. Horses need particular care however and I did specify exposed fields and jackets/rugs and shelter. Some of what I see on a regular basis is dire.

How about good haylage? (thanks for spelling)

They don't have laminitas.

The horses are in poor condition. That is a product of underfeeding. Some of them are male.

I pass them twice a day. I know what I see.

Call the ispca??

Good haylage is best feeding...but wicked hard got right....and has to be eaten 2-3 days after opening (whatI found anyway!)....but ordinary hay lasts away grand like


Ould ponies once their not pure miserable,live away grand once they can get some sort of shelter.....we used let lads put em in rough ould knocks here aswell upon a year or 2 ago....always suspected myself the jackets would hold water/be cold if got dirty???

Ave Sodalis

currants wrote: »

Like every group there are good and bad. Sulky racing is largely specific to Travellers though and countless times I've driven through Finglas and witnessed young, untrained, terrified horses being whipped along the road with gob****es driving/revving cars close up behind them to spur them on.

Just on this, sulky racing (under the name harness racing) is actually a regulated and controlled sport that takes place on a dedicated track with as much rules as any other sport. It has a national association, and is government funded like other sports.
It's entirely different to racing the horses on the road by ignorant scum who have no concept of, or care for animal welfare. Sometimes the harness racers may use the road as a change to stop the horse getting bored, or to help strengthen the horse's legs, similar to nearly all equestrian sports, but they won't run their horse flat out.

PCeeeee

tomwaterford wrote: »

Call the ispca???

Herself did a few times when we were living near another site. You can imagine how well that worked.

They did come out and take a away 5 or 6 horses one year when it was particularly bad so maybe if they get enough calls...

Funny you should say miserable. That's exactly what I think when I see them. They fed up. Facing into the breeze in the middle of a bog in the pouring rain. I was trying to provide a more objective account of their condition instead of coming on and saying they looked miserable.

somefeen

PCeeeee wrote: »

I think some of us are making what seems (to us) like the most logical conclusion. When something unusual turns up dead on the road most people do wonder how it happened. Some I'd imagine will begin to speculate. Some will use their previous personal experience to make assumptions.

You seem to be the kind of feen that is happy to await more conclusive evidence. More power to you.

I don't think there will be any conclusive evidence.
To be fair people are mostly just angry at the thought of animal cruelty being the cause which is fair enough.

But. Got out and hit by a car seems more likely to me if it happened at night. The car involved might have been taken away already. I don't know what guards policy is on removing dead animals from the road. What I do know is if I called a recovery truck and a knackery at the same time the recovery truck would get here sooner.

tomwaterford

PCeeeee wrote: »

Herself did a few times when we were living near another site. You can imagine how well that worked.

They did come out and take a away 5 or 6 horses one year when it was particularly bad so maybe if they get enough calls...

Funny you should say miserable. That's exactly what I think when I see them. They fed up. Facing into the breeze in the middle of a bog in the pouring rain. I was trying to provide a more objective account of their condition instead of coming on and saying they looked miserable.

Have they no ould bushes or anything to go under


Recently unrelated to horses have had issues with animals poorly fed and it bothered me enough that it kept me awake at night and in the end I had to get it sorted best I could
(Soz for vagueness)

up for anything

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Driving in Kilkenny this evening came across flashing lights, at first I thought it was a check point but nope. A dead horse in the middle of the road.

What the hell is happening in Kilkenny? My daughter was with me and was shaking with anger.

To use it looked like some little scumbag just took the harness of the poor animal and left it too die. I hope not.:mad:

Deleted User wrote: »

Talk to your daughter. Calm her down.

Horses die. It's a tough world.

It is a tough world and you'd do well to calm her down, but get her to channel her anger into something positive for animal welfare. Who knows, she may be the person to change things for the better for a certain section of horse society in Kilkenny?

Conor obviously hasn't watched horses being swum in the Nore in Kilkenny city by their owners. He'd have a fair bit of his own rage built up if he had - watching the tiny ponies in panic trying to swim for the shore with two big oafs on top of them. Is that supposed to be some sort of training? Or the dogs that were thrown into the river by the weir this summer with their owners jumping in on top of them nearly to the point of drowning the poor creatures. Probably better for the animals if their lives were ended like that then left to drag on enduring ill-treatment and starvation.

whisky_galore

currants wrote: »

Like every group there are good and bad. Sulky racing is largely specific to Travellers though and countless times I've driven through Finglas and witnessed young, untrained, terrified horses being whipped along the road with gob****es driving/revving cars close up behind them to spur them on.
Its part of a larger problem across society in this country. Some idiot farmer admitted in court a while back that he had poisoned his dog after he was prosecuted for sheep worrying. He wasn't sent to jail and failed to appear for his next court date.
Urban kids riding horses to death is common as were farmers keeping horses for EU payments and neglecting and starving them during the boom.
Then there are the thousands of horses dumped into the market by the racing industry every year. On top of that idiots buy from puppy farms/donedeal every year and dump these unfortunate animals when the kids get bored or they get sick of looking after them.
We're terrible about animal welfare in this country and the only thing that might change it is the anger of people like the OPs young daughter at the sight of wanton ignorance and cruelty. Hopefully the next generation will take a more civilised approach and not just dismiss animal suffering and death from cruelty as a fact of life.
We need massive fines and prison sentences for extreme cases to change people's behaviour and get to see that animals experience suffering when their owners dont bother to care for them properly. Ignorance is no defence really.

Top post.

I don't think I've been in many developed countries where a dog, on his own, is out having a walk for himself or chasing cars.

We're not really an animal-friendly country, the recent circus animals ban is simply an easy window-dressing exercise, when circuses are in decline as a form of entertainment anyway.

gozunda

tomwaterford wrote: »

Nothing wrong with outwintering animals?

Good silage is better feeding than poor haylage as it'll last longer without going off??

We used have horses tied here when we younger as they were getting too fat and caused laminitis (spelling?)...

.alot of under feeding may be pregnant horses to stop foals getting too big inside them??....anything else is cruelty...esp the starving to break their spirit so as to train them

(Dunno do travellers do this....but know some lads what train horses for them gowls that do be hunting do this*:mad::mad: )

In the area around me there are a lot of hunt horses and I have never heard or seen this. Such horses are generally valuable animals and also need incredible stamina. Starving them for behavioural reasons wouldn't work anyway as soon as they are fed any such behavioural issues would return. In my experience these horses are normally treated better than those in other activities.

As to pregnant mares and starving - that is at best irresponsible and extemely poor practice - a good breeder of horses would not put a large stallion to a small mare - it would bring with it the danger of the death of the mare. A starved ineuterine foal would not make a healthy horse either.

BobMc

PCeeeee wrote: »

I am not suggesting that all travellers treat their animal poorly that would be silly. I cannot say with certainly that this is true.

However. Trotting ponies on tarmac is bad. Using motor vehicles to pace them is bad.


Witnessed this on the old section of the ballysimon rd in limerick on saturday afternoon 2pm in the pissing rain, so its happening all over.

gramar

Deleted User wrote: »

At least you can actually blame Isis for things. :rolleyes:

They take responsibility for their actions, even claiming it for things they haven't done!

Ubbquittious

What kind of EU payment can you get for owning a horse?

razorblunt

It's their culture.

whisky_galore

About 4 -5 years ago now, we found the remains of a horse that had been dragged into a field of ours because the owner couldn't be ars*d disposing of it through the proper channels.

Foxhound38

Must be one of those ancient cultural rituals that we are told we should celebrate as a vibrant and important part of the Irish story, alongside tarmac scams and farm burglaries... boss

Sweetemotion

Gardai are now investigating this.
http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/kilkenny-news/281417/gardai-investigate-the-cause-of-death-of-a-horse-found-on-outskirts-of-kilkenny-city.html

Schindlers Pissed

It's the same pack of **** all the time....it seems Kilkenny seems to really bad when it comes to animal cruelty, and in particular horses, and really in particular it's caused by people called travellers who never seem to travel. They stay in Kilkenny and run horses to death with impunity.

Not content with killing horses, there are a few of them who go into housing estates and set their lurchers on family cats.

They disgust me.....if it was any of the rest of us we would be in court. At this stage I feel I have a discrimination case because I have to obey the law but obviously the law doesn't seem to apply to these people.