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Unpopular GAA opinion - MOD Note #426

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    I take issue when people post biased sh*te, a lot of that tends to be aimed at Mayo. However I have commented on various other things. Off the top of my head, there was a guy trying to argue that St Vincents loss wasn't a shock win as Rathnew were a top side, and also that big wins don't happen at club provincial level. The comfortable win for Moorefield and the hiding dished out by An Gaeltacht at the weekend would suggest otherwise.
    Also, why not address the point instead of who is saying it? If you are right your counter argument should speak for itself.


    https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/eamonn-sweeney-empty-vessels-making-toxic-noises-36353387.html

    He makes reference to the, frankly disgraceful, Lee Keegan stuff directly, references Dublin-Mayo and then states "Abuse does not have to be racist to be hurtful. I'm aware of another GAA star who has been the subject of almost non-stop personal abuse for several years now. Even though he had an outstanding year in 2017, it's continued."



    The only place I saw any reference to Lee Keegan - and I didn't know who they were referring to- was on the Mayo forum here.

    It was rightly objected to by most contributors and quickly taken down.

    All top players get abuse from idiots. A chap I played with is good friend of DC and he told me he is constantly being provoked, and has been attacked on a few occasions. That's not to excuse his own actions by the way.

    Well known boxers and former boxers also get this sort of drunken macho nonsense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    bruschi wrote: »
    Address what point? that Dublin lads are jealous of O Shea because he shifted their women? What needs to be addressed there?


    No the point about the abuse some gaa players take, and how that is deemed ok, yet another type of abuse is seen as such a disgrace (which it is). If I had to pick between the abuse O'Shea gets and the abuse Christie got, Id take Christie's all day long

    bruschi wrote: »
    thanks for the link. no where does that sound like it is definitely O Shea. It could be anyone, or it could be purely made up.

    Well how many high profile inter county players can you name, that has taken that level of prolonged abuse and also had an season last year? Can you name any more?

    bruschi wrote: »
    however, I was most intrigued with this piece in the article.

    And every Dublin-Mayo clash in recent years has led to the type of online exchanges which are, as SeFaol one described a particularly stupid Seanad debate, "like a long, slow trawl through a sewage bed".

    that I think is very true.

    So do I.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    No the point about the abuse some gaa players take, and how that is deemed ok, yet another type of abuse is seen as such a disgrace (which it is). If I had to pick between the abuse O'Shea gets and the abuse Christie got, Id take Christie's all day long

    ah here, seriously. how is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you reckon what O Shea goes through is worse than being abused solely on the colour of your skin. thats just ridiculous. This thread is starting to become the ridiculous GAA opinion and not unpopular.



    Well how many high profile inter county players can you name, that has taken that level of prolonged abuse and also had an season last year? Can you name any more?

    I dont know what abuse O Shea has got. I dont see anything more than the norm for high profile GAA players. I say one Bernard Flynn article about autographs and posing that I would very much disagree with. but it wasnt abusive, it was a nothing comment piece. you seem to have a personal insight to worse stuff. I see plenty of players get crap hurled at them the whole time, and I dare say Diarmuid Connolly gets an awful lot more than what O shea gets.

    And who has said any of this is ok? or why is this comparable to racism?

    So do I.

    well everyone always thinks their own smells of roses, so no surprise there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    bruschi wrote: »
    ah here, seriously. how is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you reckon what O Shea goes through is worse than being abused solely on the colour of your skin. thats just ridiculous. This thread is starting to become the ridiculous GAA opinion and not unpopular.

    No, I said the abuse Christie faced in this particular instance, i.e. a string of twitter comments from a few random apes after a match, vs what oshea is getting, years of constant abuse from hundreds of sources, with people even getting hold of his phone number. Fair enough not racial abuse, but seriously unmanageable all the same. That isnt to belittle what christie experienced at all, it is more to highlight how bad o'shea's abuse is. Consider for a second if you were offered both options, which one would you take? Personally I would say call me a white whatever you like after a game, over the other option every day of the week.

    bruschi wrote: »
    I dont know what abuse O Shea has got. I dont see anything more than the norm for high profile GAA players. I say one Bernard Flynn article about autographs and posing that I would very much disagree with. but it wasnt abusive, it was a nothing comment piece. you seem to have a personal insight to worse stuff. I see plenty of players get crap hurled at them the whole time, and I dare say Diarmuid Connolly gets an awful lot more than what O shea gets.

    And who has said any of this is ok? or why is this comparable to racism?

    Well the reference is to years of online abuse and guys even sending abuse to his phone. This was actually described in the article, so you do know what abuse he has faced, although I'm sure there is probably more than that. What has an article by Bernard Flynn got to do with that btw?
    Re Connolly, he does get abuse, but Id say he doesn't get more than O'Shea actually. A quick look at those awful facebook fan pages will show you that far more is aimed at oshea than connolly. In fact Id say there aren't many people in the country, who aren't criminals etc, that get more abuse than o'shea does. It is something worth considering on a personal level, nobody should have to face into that sort of thing, particularly for not really doing anything wrong at any stage. It is pretty shameful for us as gaa fans.

    bruschi wrote: »
    well everyone always thinks their own smells of roses, so no surprise there.

    True. Personally I try to stick to the facts and what is relevant to the football when discussing players/teams. Many don't on the forum, I agree. Id have expected people playing the man all the time to be prevented from doing so on threads to be honest with you. At present you cant comment on anything without the first response being something about your county, with the original point being lost 2-3 posts later (which is generally their goal in the first place). When that is the case, I'm as well to just start out talking about mayo and be done with it, amn't I?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    MOD

    OK lads this thread has lost all direction with regard to the thread title and the initial constructive contributions. It's become a monotonous regularity now where threads are hijacked to vent a Dublin/Mayo snark.

    So rather than lock the thread, resulting in all posters being penalised, I've decided to issue a last warning to those involved to cut out the derisory comments or you will be carded and banned from posting in the thread. Ta


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Still OK to abuse Mordor to our wee blue & navy hearts content then so, yeah?

    Lovely Jubbly ! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    After reading some of the drivel posted here, I'm beginning to see what so many people hate us Mayo fans.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    Stoner wrote: »

    How have you no idea when I gave you two factors, granted you might not agree but you should certainly have an idea.

    I didn't say you had to have an all Ireland, but it would be a reason to have three on a panel, Brolly gets enough stick for only having one, you certainly won't have two Derry men on the books, there's an amount of good educated option allowed in the mix, but having 8 or 9 titles or 4 or 5, imo you'll get more respect than someone with none regardless of you agreeing with it or not.

    People will want to hear what a successful person has to say as essentially the teams are trying to be successful, that's the goal. BTW winning one as a manager would give you a good basis too.


    I have no idea as it bears no relation to the point I was making which was that it is simply untrue to say that Kilkenny do not feature hugely in media.

    To deal briefly with the point you do make, I see no relationship between medals won and having something meaningful to say and being able to say it articulately. Half the time on the Sunday Game they are just parroting each other about what the other person "alluded to" earlier. But that's just a view. But the contents of a pundits back pocket never impressed me. I know several All Ireland medal winners who are the dullest inarticulate company.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    Maybe these ex-Kilkenny and Kerry players in the media are there not just because of their success on the field, but also because they may have insights into the mindset of Cody and Micko (never give away state secrets but it's still interesting when they refer to what their managers would have done) . In fairness, I would pay more heed to someone with a few AI medals in their back pocket than some of their contemporaries.


    Judging by the comments of Jackie Tyrrell in the media, and the tactical poverty evident since the Kilkenny team weakened and needed to develop a compensatory tactical strategy I'd have a feeling that Cody's mindset was never more complex than "h'wan ta fcuk".

    And the mindset of "Micko".................this is the guy who ceased to be Kerry manager nearly 30 years ago. Is his mindset that important to the average viewer these days? What do we want to find out? His attitude to short kickouts? Blanket defence? Strength and conditioning? Whatever Pat Spillane has to offer it is not a window into the mindset of "Micko" who is a man of other days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭TrueGael


    WOW........I'm speechless I'm just after flicking on RTE 1 and I see Ladies Football and wondered was it a program on the general state and growth of the sport but no it very quickly became apparent that it was totally about Dublin yet again from our 'national' broadcaster

    Now I am well used to the Mens getting worship from the 'national' broadcaster (they had a documentary on winning a Leinster :rolleyes::rolleyes: about 10 years ago) but this is a new one.... I guess if you are going to give preferential treatment to the Men you have to for the Women as well............

    Looks really bad when the Cork Ladies who won 11 in 12 years and 6 in a row never got any such adulation (including beating Dublin last 3 finals) How must they feel tonight watching this, mixture of anger and sadness I'd say............

    The only team outside the Blue Juggernaut who has ever had a documentary from the 'national' broadcaster was Donegal and Jim who the Dublin Media had a strange fascination for......

    And yet I am criticised for even saying that the 'Dublin Media' even exists and gives preferential treatment to them despite the evidence mounting up............


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,194 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Powerhouse wrote: »
    Judging by the comments of Jackie Tyrrell in the media, and the tactical poverty evident since the Kilkenny team weakened and needed to develop a compensatory tactical strategy I'd have a feeling that Cody's mindset was never more complex than "h'wan ta fcuk".

    And the mindset of "Micko".................this is the guy who ceased to be Kerry manager nearly 30 years ago. Is his mindset that important to the average viewer these days? What do we want to find out? His attitude to short kickouts? Blanket defence? Strength and conditioning? Whatever Pat Spillane has to offer it is not a window into the mindset of "Micko" who is a man of other days.

    Okay I take your point re Cody and Micko.

    But I noticed you ignored my point on Connell getting a media gig. Which suggests you agree with me :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    TrueGael wrote: »
    WOW........I'm speechless I'm just after flicking on RTE 1 and I see Ladies Football and wondered was it a program on the general state and growth of the sport but no it very quickly became apparent that it was totally about Dublin yet again from our 'national' broadcaster

    Now I am well used to the Mens getting worship from the 'national' broadcaster (they had a documentary on winning a Leinster :rolleyes::rolleyes: about 10 years ago) but this is a new one.... I guess if you are going to give preferential treatment to the Men you have to for the Women as well............

    Looks really bad when the Cork Ladies who won 11 in 12 years and 6 in a row never got any such adulation (including beating Dublin last 3 finals) How must they feel tonight watching this, mixture of anger and sadness I'd say............

    The only team outside the Blue Juggernaut who has ever had a documentary from the 'national' broadcaster was Donegal and Jim who the Dublin Media had a strange fascination for......

    And yet I am criticised for even saying that the 'Dublin Media' even exists and gives preferential treatment to them despite the evidence mounting up............


    Your hatred of Dublin is bordering on the pathological son :)


    By special request for True Gael: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4asSbKhqAGM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    Okay I take your point re Cody and Micko.

    But I noticed you ignored my point on Connell getting a media gig. Which suggests you agree with me :D

    To tell you the truth regarding Connell, I have never watched a GAA match on Sky yet so cannot comment either to agree or disagree! I have seen him on TV3 occasionally in the past and yeah thought he was only middling but I would not be convinced that's a function of his lack of All Ireland medals. I think punditry is very much a personality driven thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Powerhouse


    TrueGael wrote: »

    Now I am well used to the Mens getting worship from the 'national' broadcaster (they had a documentary on winning a Leinster :rolleyes::rolleyes: about 10 years ago) but this is a new one.... ..

    The only team outside the Blue Juggernaut who has ever had a documentary from the 'national' broadcaster was Donegal and Jim who the Dublin Media had a strange fascination for......
    ...

    You have a short or maybe selective memory if you don't recall a documentary on the Westmeath footballers winning Leinster. Or one on Galway's footballers winning the Sam Maguire.

    Presuming that these sort of documentaries are envisaged by independent production companies and the pitched at RTÉ it might be rational to assume simply that maybe no such company emerged in Cork to do something similar for their ladies? As explanations go it's a bit anodyne but it might be more credible than the average conspiracy theory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Cork people don't recognise foreign media, like those from Dublin


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,366 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Okay I take your point re Cody and Micko.

    But I noticed you ignored my point on Connell getting a media gig. Which suggests you agree with me :D

    Connell is on Sky because he was a talking head with TG4 or TV3 or one of those stations for years, he would have done plenty of the smaller games and to a large extent you could say that he served his time in the media game. I don't know how he got his start years ago but it doesn't seem all that untoward, an ex-intercounty player, reasonably photogenic, comfortable in front of the camera, it doesn't seem all that strange that one of the smaller stations gave him a go. Maybe he speaks Irish too?

    But since he was there for years doing those club and league games is it really surprising that Sky picked him up? They had a new show just starting, they will have wanted reliable presenters to start with rather than taking chances on new guys who had never done a match before.

    I see no problem with Connell being on Sky, simply because to me it looks as if he went about things the right way, he started at the bottom and worked his way up rather than being handed the big job based on who he was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Someone post a tumbleweed gif :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    TrueGael wrote: »
    WOW........I'm speechless I'm just after flicking on RTE 1 and I see Ladies Football and wondered was it a program on the general state and growth of the sport but no it very quickly became apparent that it was totally about Dublin yet again from our 'national' broadcaster

    Now I am well used to the Mens getting worship from the 'national' broadcaster (they had a documentary on winning a Leinster :rolleyes::rolleyes: about 10 years ago) but this is a new one.... I guess if you are going to give preferential treatment to the Men you have to for the Women as well............

    Looks really bad when the Cork Ladies who won 11 in 12 years and 6 in a row never got any such adulation (including beating Dublin last 3 finals) How must they feel tonight watching this, mixture of anger and sadness I'd say............

    The only team outside the Blue Juggernaut who has ever had a documentary from the 'national' broadcaster was Donegal and Jim who the Dublin Media had a strange fascination for......

    And yet I am criticised for even saying that the 'Dublin Media' even exists and gives preferential treatment to them despite the evidence mounting up............

    As somebody who has two young girls starting to play ladies football it is great to see ladies football getting promoted on tv and it is the coming sport in Ireland and Great to show behind the team the effort put in, anybody watch the final and the Great crowd that was in Croke Park.


  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭paul0103


    TrueGael wrote: »
    WOW........I'm speechless I'm just after flicking on RTE 1 and I see Ladies Football and wondered was it a program on the general state and growth of the sport but no it very quickly became apparent that it was totally about Dublin yet again from our 'national' broadcaster

    Now I am well used to the Mens getting worship from the 'national' broadcaster (they had a documentary on winning a Leinster :rolleyes::rolleyes: about 10 years ago) but this is a new one.... I guess if you are going to give preferential treatment to the Men you have to for the Women as well............

    Looks really bad when the Cork Ladies who won 11 in 12 years and 6 in a row never got any such adulation (including beating Dublin last 3 finals) How must they feel tonight watching this, mixture of anger and sadness I'd say............

    The only team outside the Blue Juggernaut who has ever had a documentary from the 'national' broadcaster was Donegal and Jim who the Dublin Media had a strange fascination for......

    And yet I am criticised for even saying that the 'Dublin Media' even exists and gives preferential treatment to them despite the evidence mounting up............

    https://twitter.com/ElaineBucko/status/935282055340019712


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,325 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    paul0103 wrote: »

    So its agreed someone needs to make an apology around here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Not the first time he has been proven to be wrong. He just ignores it and comes up with some other sad thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,555 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    salmocab wrote: »
    So its agreed someone needs to make an apology around here.


    Not a chance that will happen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,638 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    This will be most unpopular. :o

    When Dublin wins an all Ireland final the schools and workplaces of the county are open the next day. Celebrations are dignified and modest. Everyone goes to work the next morning and puts their shoulder to the wheel mindful that the country is reliant on the city.

    Dabonthemhaters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,072 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Croke Park is a advantage to the Dubs and with some saying they do not want see non Club members at County games that free up about 90% of Hill 16 so I'm in favour ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,593 ✭✭✭DoctaDee


    Croke Park is a advantage to the Dubs and with some saying they do not want see non Club members at County games that free up about 90% of Hill 16 so I'm in favour ;)

    We'll still have a strict admission policy tho, those 3 Cork football supporters better be signed up members ;)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    DoctaDee wrote:
    We'll still have a strict admission policy tho, those 3 Cork football supporters better be signed up members

    They were Man U tops Doc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    DoctaDee wrote: »
    We'll still have a strict admission policy tho, those 3 Cork football supporters better be signed up members ;)

    Wow. Is there that many of them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,072 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Wow. Is there that many of them?

    be about same as Dublin Hurling support to be fair.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    Dr Crokes are potential chokers when met with opposition that can match them in club football. With all their quality they have, they have won very little outside of Munster.

    Dublin team of the 2010s are overrated even with 4 handy All Ireland's. Donegal in 2014 proved this.

    Kerry extremely lucky to win All Ireland in 2014. Same can be said for Cork in 2010.

    Mayo are never going to win Sam. Better off packing it in. Sorry guys but that's the way it is.

    Waterford are scared to win All Ireland. The occasion gets to them.

    Ulster football is the hardest province to win.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Amprodude wrote: »
    Dr Crokes are potential chokers when met with opposition that can match them in club football. With all their quality they have, they have won very little outside of Munster.

    Dublin team of the 2010s are overrated even with 4 handy All Ireland's. Donegal in 2014 proved this.

    Kerry extremely lucky to win All Ireland in 2014. Same can be said for Cork in 2010.

    Mayo are never going to win Sam. Better off packing it in. Sorry guys but that's the way it is.

    Waterford are scared to win All Ireland. The occasion gets to them.

    Ulster football is the hardest province to win.

    With so many lucky and over rated winners just who do you think have been the best team the last ten years?

    Ulster football may be the toughest but the games are crap to watch as a neutral.


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