2018 Nissan Leaf Poll

Who's going to buy it ?

I'm considering to buy one next summer if Nissan makes it affordable to jump from my current 152 24kWh. That being said I wasn't overly impressed about the look and feel of the cabin when sat in the Japanese spec car. This combined with slow CHAdeMO charging makes the car feel like somewhat dated car already.

But I'll definitely testdrive the Euro spec car with an open mind.

The alternative is to save enough money for a good size deposit for a CPO Model S. Or to drive the current Leaf to the ground.

n97 mini

Probably not, at least not till I can get one for 50% or less of the price new. But by then who knows what the options will be like. Range still isn't class leading.

Bumping thread, would like more votes.

ELM327

Current 24kWh leaf owner.
Not interested in new leaf.

Next EV will be either an intermediate one before my model s, so perhaps an Ioniq or i3 Rex. Or alternatively (depending on the prices continuing to decline) straight to a model S.

Even if I wasnt planning on getting a model S, I would not get a new leaf.
To the point that if I won one in a raffle I'd sell it.

Yes , the 2018 Leaf wasn't the upgrade I was hoping for and is 20 Kwh short of what I was foolishly expecting back in 2015.

Prp pilot would have been much better if you didn't have to have your hand on the wheel which makes it far less useful however it will be handy feature to have and the active cruise.

The Charging network has not improved a single bit since 2015 which was a major turn off for getting the new Leaf which was "part" of the reason I chose the I3 Rex, the rest is because it's a fantastic car to drive and has a really lovely interior.

I've no doubt Leaf II drivers will be very happy especially those new to EV but it's just not for me and while this may sound silly I simply could not live with the BOSE stereo for another 3 years but that wasn't my main reason for not getting it, a few reasons and another was that I can't get the full spec until after March or later.

peposhi

Since we seen the car in flesh at the presentation my better half said - no way for her going for the new Leaf. She thinks it’s has lost its spirit and unique look. So she said she will hold on to the current Leaf.
I now have a Quarte Blanche to pick whatever I want to replace the Yaris when the time for a change comes. I will definitely consider the new Leaf, but Kona is coming, i3 REX is now available at a better value, the iOniq will be in the mix too...

ELM327

The first gen 22kWH rex could be a great buy soon as even with some battery degradation you will have longer range than any other PHEV and then the rex engine for backup if needed.

DrPhilG

I will probably have the new Leaf, not new but early second hand.

The model 3 won't likely land in numbers til 2019. Decent numbers in the second hand market will be 2020 or later depending on stock.

I want an upgrade in the next year. Zoe too small, BMW and eGolf too expensive.

So a 6-12 month old Leaf 2 should fit my needs for 3 years by which time the landscape should be where I hoped it would be by now - multiple options at 60kwh.

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

whatever I want to replace the Yaris when the time for a change comes. I will definitely consider the new Leaf, but Kona is coming, i3 REX is now available at a better value, the iOniq will be in the mix too...

A Rex would be an ideal replacement for a Yaris, a huge upgrade lol.

A 2014 or 2015 can be got at a decent price too compared to new and you might find a high spec one. Basic spec are a bit bare.

For me the Rex was the best solution until the charging network and battery range catch up, also the charging speed though I am happy that the I3 charges a good bit faster than the 24 Kwh Leaf.

It will be interesting to see what BMW come up with for the I3 electric in 2019.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

The first gen 22kWH rex could be a great buy soon as even with some battery degradation you will have longer range than any other PHEV and then the rex engine for backup if needed.

I think the battery is holding up very well.

Cros, what's your I3 reporting for kwh available ? it's a 2014 isn't it ?

DrPhilG

DrPhilG wrote: »

I will probably have the new Leaf, not new but early second hand.

The model 3 won't likely land in numbers til 2019. Decent numbers in the second hand market will be 2020 or later depending on stock.

I want an upgrade in the next year. Zoe too small, BMW and eGolf too expensive.

So a 6-12 month old Leaf 2 should fit my needs for 3 years by which time the landscape should be where I hoped it would be by now - multiple options at 60kwh.

You can forget a new Model 3, would anyone be happy with a basic model 3 ?

A decent spec Model 3 will cost pretty close to 50K if not more.

DrPhilG

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can forget a new Model 3

I didn't say I wanted a new Model 3.

KCross

DrPhilG wrote: »

I will probably have the new Leaf, not new but early second hand.

The model 3 won't likely land in numbers til 2019. Decent numbers in the second hand market will be 2020 or later depending on stock.

I want an upgrade in the next year. Zoe too small, BMW and eGolf too expensive.

So a 6-12 month old Leaf 2 should fit my needs for 3 years by which time the landscape should be where I hoped it would be by now - multiple options at 60kwh.

Snap.

KCross

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You can forget a new Model 3, would anyone be happy with a basic model 3 ?

A decent spec Model 3 will cost pretty close to 50K if not more.

Apparently a fully spec'd long range Model 3 is just shy of $60k.

I think I would be happy with a basic model 3 as the extras are things like AP, different alloys etc. AP won't be much use in this country unless you do a lot of motorway driving and how much automation do you need for that other than adaptive cruise which most cars come with now anyway.

The whole automation thing is over-hyped at this point imo and just a gadget when considered in the context of this country.

And you can always enable the advanced features later if you really need/want them.

DrPhilG

DrPhilG wrote: »

I didn't say I wanted a new Model 3.

No you didn't oops. shame on me.

KCross

KCross wrote: »

And you can always enable the advanced features later if you really need/want them.

Are you sure about that ?

DrPhilG

DrPhilG wrote: »

I want an upgrade in the next year. Zoe too small, BMW and eGolf too expensive.

Forgot to mention in there, Ioniq is a contender but their availability issues have been a killer. They could have damn near cornered the market by now given how much better the 28kwh Ioniq is than the 30kwh Leaf but instead Nissan will steal back momentum and sell a huge amount of the 40kwh Leaf.

KCross

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you sure about that ?

Yea, apart from the larger battery of course!

But yes, you can buy it without AP and then enable it later. It costs a bit more to enable it later.

fricatus

Deleted User wrote: »

Bumping thread, would like more votes.

Maybe you need more options, e.g. "yeah, I'd love one of course, but I'll have to wait until I can pick one up for four figures"

peposhi

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A Rex would be an ideal replacement for a Yaris, a huge upgrade lol.

A 2014 or 2015 can be got at a decent price too compared to new and you might find a high spec one. Basic spec are a bit bare.

For me the Rex was the best solution until the charging network and battery range catch up, also the charging speed though I am happy that the I3 charges a good bit faster than the 24 Kwh Leaf.

It will be interesting to see what BMW come up with for the I3 electric in 2019.

Only time (and money available) will tell
I’d love to get an REX now, even the “older” model would do me fine. Even made a contact with a lad that has his up for sale. I might have to wait till June though...

It's good to know the battery is holding up well and the Rex can make up any shortfall in the future.

With EVs, there's always the nagging feeling that 'next year' will be the year of the super-mega-optimal battery.

40kWh battery is pretty good compared to previous Leafs (Leaves?). But if you got a new Leaf, could you switch batteries in three or four years if they have truly cracked it by then?

You wouldn't want to pay for the cost of replacing the battery after 3-4 years.

Yes the range is a big upgrade for current 24 Kwh leaf owners and even a decent upgrade for 30 Kwh owners.

There's a 60 Kwh due towards the end of 2018. Shame Nissan capped the 40 Kwh at only 50 Kw charging on DC. Faster charging can greatly make up for a smaller battery.

ELM327

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With EVs, there's always the nagging feeling that 'next year' will be the year of the super-mega-optimal battery.

40kWh battery is pretty good compared to previous Leafs (Leaves?). But if you got a new Leaf, could you switch batteries in three or four years if they have truly cracked it by then?

And one year that will be true.
But who knows when.

This shows me that Tesla are a safe bet in that regard. Look at the original roadster. 10 years on and it's still better than most EVs on the road, with 60kWh battery, not showing much degradation especially compared with the other EV of the time. Still has relatively modern AC charging and can be fitted with Chademo. So even if you bought that roadster 10 years ago it's still perfectly modern and usable today. If you buy a model S now, new, it will easily be perfectly modern and usable in 10 years time. The supercharger network alone adds to that.

If you look at the non tesla EV available today, the likes of the new leaf (<200 mile range, too slow charging), Zoe (no CCS compared to Zoe2), Ioniq (very efficient but too small battery), outgoing leaf (way too small range) are all going to be outdated very much in 5 years.

But you know what, so would a lot of ICE cars. Admittedly not so much perhaps in terms of range but in terms of devaluation.

But you know what, so would a lot of ICE cars. Admittedly not so much perhaps in terms of range but in terms of devaluation.

That's the key point for me. Maybe most on this forum are EV converts already - or seriously thinking about it - but if you were to keep a new diesel for five years you never know what the state of play will be. Could they be banned from city centres? Have punitive road tax or excise on fuel?

I wouldn't be too worried about diesel for a year or two, especially for non-urban drivers, but if you were buying a brand new car you might face particularly steep depreciation after 2020.

unkel

^^^

Whatever you buy, I would not buy a new diesel now. And it seems even most Irish people are starting to agree. The prediction is that petrol will once again be best selling in the later half of next year. The mad decade of the diesel 2008-2018 is over. Hopefully we'll get some cleaner air, particularly in the Dublin area.

ELM327

Diesel/petrol really it's the same difference. Different pollution but it's all pollution.
The move to PHEV for the mainstream will be key, once people realise how good EV motoring is (even faux EV motoring in their PHEV) they will switch to full BEV.

Cars like the 330e/Golf GTE for instance.
People see that it can do their short city commute for "free".

thierry14

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's the key point for me. Maybe most on this forum are EV converts already - or seriously thinking about it - but if you were to keep a new diesel for five years you never know what the state of play will be. Could they be banned from city centres? Have punitive road tax or excise on fuel?

I wouldn't be too worried about diesel for a year or two, especially for non-urban drivers, but if you were buying a brand new car you might face particularly steep depreciation after 2020.

I'm all for for getting rid of diesel too, but depreciation will be no worse than the new 40kWh Leaf

Which will bomb when 60kWh more powerful versions are available for the same price they are now in 2019

Nissan's in general depreciate heavily, as the usually replace like for like price wise and those buy one get one free next year offers don't help here

Saying that premium stuff like BMW i3 are not much better, brand new 45k, few month old in UK for well under 30k, thats tough

Applies to diesel, petrol, hybrids too

UK is killing it

Great for us

Not much you can do only get lucky like Unkel like Ioniq, but thats going to change soon

If you do buy a new 40kWh Leaf get a good pcp deal with high gmfv, safeguard yourself a bit.

Water John

Would probably be in the market for the 60kwh Leaf when it comes. Replace the diesel. OH might try to wiggle that and leave (Leaf) me with the 30kwh. Not a chance.

KCross

thierry14 wrote: »

I'm all for for getting rid of diesel too, but depreciation will be no worse than the new 40kWh Leaf

Which will bomb when 60kWh more powerful versions are available for the same price they are now in 2019

Nissan's in general depreciate heavily, as the usually replace like for like price wise and those buy one get one free next year offers don't help here

You think Nissan will release a 60kWh in 2019 at the same price as the 2018 40kWh?

I'd say the chances of that happening are very remote. If they stick to form (30 vs 24kWh Leaf with €3k premium) they will charge a premium for the larger battery. Its also what makes sense based on the lack of battery manufacturing capacity.

ELM327

I can't see any new leaf battery for a couple of years yet, and it would be at a price premium.
We're reaching a supply crunch in LI-ion.

The ioniq has been out a year and no mention of the larger battery version yet for simialr reasons.

thierry14

KCross wrote: »

You think Nissan will release a 60kWh in 2019 at the same price as the 2018 40kWh?

I'd say the chances of that happening are very remote. If they stick to form (30 vs 24kWh Leaf with €3k premium) they will charge a premium for the larger battery. Its also what makes sense based on the lack of battery manufacturing capacity.

I do

I can see 60kWh being 30k and 40kWh being 26k in mid to late 2019 when below are out

Kona 60kWh, Ioniq 44kWh, Model 3, VW vaporware

If they are not out then Nissan could go gouging again

If competition is fierce which I hope Tesla M3 can start, then Nissan won't be desirable and they will have to price low, like they do with ICE

KCross

thierry14 wrote: »

I do

I can see 60kWh being 30k and 40kWh being 26k in mid to late 2019...

I could maybe see that but it would be for an entry level 60kWh vs a mid range 40kWh.

The €30k 40kWh today is almost the top of the range version.

Battery costs and availability would really need to be in their favour to provide a top of the range 60kWh for €30k. Ultimately, it's the competition will decide it.

cros13

KCross wrote: »

You think Nissan will release a 60kWh in 2019 at the same price as the 2018 40kWh?

I'd say the chances of that happening are very remote. If they stick to form (30 vs 24kWh Leaf with €3k premium) they will charge a premium for the larger battery. Its also what makes sense based on the lack of battery manufacturing capacity.

Definitely more. They have to buy the battery from LG Chem too. I wouldn't rule out a price difference of €5k+.

unkel

thierry14 wrote: »

I can see 60kWh being 30k and 40kWh being 26k in mid to late 2019 when below are out

It's not gonna happen. I used to think exactly like you. It makes sense, right? Logical progress? But worldwide battery production limits look far more severe than I thought if we are to believe the detailed posts from cros13, who seems very much up to speed on these matters