The Walking Dead | Season 8 | Episode 3 | Monsters [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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The Walking Dead - Season 8

Episode 3 - "Monsters"

Airdate - November 5th on AMC at 9/8c | November 6th on FOX UK at 9PM

Conflict with the Saviors leads to consequences for the allies; morality proves tricky in wartime.

Promo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVNeSVZBBpo

Sneak Peek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqkw3ctspnA

shineon23

I don't know why I'm surprised.

But what is the point having a huge 'WTF, who's he again?' return in Ep2, where many viewers (well me anyway) can barely place who the returning Morales is, after I've been told and googled him, To kill him off in the very next episode. Worse even they just brought him back to chat to Rick at gunpoint. :eek:

duffysfarm

5

Turkey shoot..... again!
Also I think rick has a mole in his group!

thegreengoblin

Easily the 'best' of the three episodes so far but that's not saying a whole lot is it?

I don't think I've ever seen a worse pre-credits opener. Bad enough that Shakespeare himself was in it but the flash forward editing was horrendous. It's like they've suddenly found this new trick and are intent on using it every week but they don't know how to actually make it effective.

Morales (aka who?) getting ditched was hilariously bad. Talking sh1te for a couple of minutes and not even having the sense of awareness to realise he's standing with his back to the door the whole time. Dear god. Thanks Daryl. Next!

Rick and Daryl's bromance shootout was fine. Eric and Aaron mean absolutely nothing to the audience so their farewell scene meant nothing either. In fact it was bad, painfully bad. At least Eric is now free to spend the rest of his life blissfully wandering around the woods of Georgia rather than be brutally knifed in the head.

The walkers rolling down the hill was either brilliant or laughable. I kind of like what they've done with Morgan and Jesus as even though we've already been through this 'kill or not kill' stuff from the other point of view with Morgan, he's now the one being questioned.

The worst scene by a country mile was when Gregory turned up at the Hilltop. Quite clearly Gregory is seen by the writers as some kind of comic turn but he is so over the top and his dialogue is so toe-curlingly bad that it's often hard to believe he says those lines.

When it came to the final scene I was beginning to rage as I thought why are they letting that moron get away with his stupid speeches about no one shall die and then....bang! I was complaining about the amount of shooting in it last week but if it means quickly killing off loads of unwanted characters then I'm fine with that. It looked like quite a few of them got taken out so hopefully they're starting to thin the herd.

Keplar240B

9

Wow just wow ......... I need a few more days to process my pain, emotions, anger and memory and then I will speak publicly about this episode.

lawlolawl

This show has become aggressively stupid and boring and isn't even fun to hate watch any more because it is so po-faced about itself.

Also, i presume the budget is being spent on coke and hookers because it has literally just been a bunch of redshirts wandering around a forest shooting other redshirts for most of the 3 episodes so far.

jonon9

Where to start...Ezekiel really is an annoying character in this series his speeches are just cringe.

Jesus and Morgan is getting lame and the face of Tara she needs a good slap.

I couldn't care less for Eric and Aaron.

So im guessing there will be a full episode just for Negan and Gabriel oh how fun that will be.

shineon23

Darryl execution's of Stuart Minkus/The Mouth (from Boy Meets World & One Tree Hill) was a bit uncalled for.

Pretty sure this was spoiled on the small bit of Talking Dead I seen last week when they used the phrase 'Boy Meets Ground'.

I knew I didn't see him get killed in episode 2.

The Talking Bread

Cool programme on AMC after TWD last night "Ride with Norman Reedus"

He tours around countries on a motor cycle. J. Dean Morgan met him in Barcelona and they done a tour around the city. They are good friends since their early twenties. Never knew that.
Reedus is a cool f*cker !

The Talking Bread

duffysfarm wrote: »

Turkey shoot..... again!
Also I think rick has a mole in his group!

Apparently, major theory that

Father Gabriel has sided with the Saviours and it happened when he disappeared in Season 7 and ended up with the rubbish gang. He also stopped Rosita killing Neagan and was very dodgy about the whole gun stuff at Oceanside. Also when he entered the trailer and saw Neagan, he seemed rather hesitant/relaxed around him when he uttered the "**** your pants" comment even though he could have just shot him there and then. Similarly Neagan didn't seem all that bothered, even though Gabriel was the only one of them armed. The longer he is missing the more peculiar it is. This is just online speculation/theory and nothing to do with the comics btw,

Just to clarify, this is just an online theory and has no actual evidence, apart from people disecting the show, themselves!

TerrorFirmer

Is it an elaborate troll at this stage?

I simply refuse to believe that one of the most popular shows on TV has suddenly sunk to this bewildering level of student film making with the seal of approval from the overlords at AMC.

Acting...direction....action choreography...scripting....all like something you'd see on Movies4Men at 2pm on a Sunday in a straight to VHS production.

I mean...even right down to the weapons. In previous seasons they were firing blanks. In the current season they're basic props with post production muzzle flashes and smoke - you can even blatantly see a mix of the actors over-compensating for imagined recoil, and in other cases zero recoil, and it looks pantomime.

Go back to the scene where Rick's firing down the hallway and the fake recoil is beyond cringe. He looks like Barry Burton firing the Magnum in the first Resident Evil.

Morgan tried his best at The Terminator last week, this week it's Mortal Kombat as he takes on Jesus for essentially no valid reason in the cringiest face off imaginable.

I'm just at a loss at this stage. Is there some sort of scandal waiting to be exposed where the producers are actually funneling 90% of the shows budget into offshore accounts.

edit: And the ****ing saviors must be bigger than Ireland's Defence Forces at this stage. How many of them have we seen butchered in the past few episodes?! Yet presumably we've yet to see Neagan 'strike back'.

Rosie Rant

6

I'm quite p1ssed off. Every time the group moved to another place or encountered another group I thought "oh I wonder if Morales and his family are there". Every time they turned out not to be I wondered what had happened to them and if they'd ever be seen again.

When Morales turned up in the last episode I was delighted and hoped he could be brought back into the group. Aaaand then he was killed by Daryl "I no longer give a sh1t, kill everyone!" Dixon. God damn it!!

ShaneU

3

Ezekiel, Gregory and Neagan should all join a Walking Dead pantomime spin-off.

"The Walker's behind you!" "Oh no it isn't" "Oh yes it is"

That's were those characters belong, not in this show.

duridian

6

thegreengoblin wrote: »

When it came to the final scene I was beginning to rage as I thought why are they letting that moron get away with his stupid speeches about no one shall die and then....bang! I was complaining about the amount of shooting in it last week but if it means quickly killing off loads of unwanted characters then I'm fine with that. It looked like quite a few of them got taken out so hopefully they're starting to thin the herd.

To be honest I think they pretty much gave away what was about to unfold for Ezekiel & co., when Rick asked the lone Savior behind the tree about the location of the M2 Browning .50 ammo, circa 5 minutes before the end. (That's a fairly common heavy machine gun.)
We at that point knew his majesty had one compound remaining out of three planned attacks, and could not stop crowing about suffering no casualties in his group. Something as emphatic as that + Rick learning of the ammo transfer could only spell disaster for Ezekiel's knights.

thegreengoblin

duridian wrote: »

To be honest I think they pretty much gave away what was about to unfold for Ezekiel & co., when Rick asked the lone Savior behind the tree about the location of the M2 Browning .50 ammo, circa 5 minutes before the end. (That's a fairly common heavy machine gun.)
We at that point knew his majesty had one compound remaining out of three planned attacks, and could not stop crowing about suffering no casualties in his group. Something as emphatic as that + Rick learning of the ammo transfer could only spell disaster for Ezekiel's knights.

I'm sure if I was paying full attention to what was going on (like the way I used to) I'd have copped it but this is what's happened to the show now. All that shooting and the general stupidity of the characters just leaves my mind numb!

Scraggs

The scene between Eric and Aaron was painful to watch and such a waste of time. I would have preferred to watch 'pew pew' action or heck even Ezekial act out a Shakespearean play than watch the emosh death scene of someone who didn't feature much.

Slightly better than the last 2 episodes but there is absolutely zero tension in the show which makes it ridiculous to watch.

DoozerT6

So if I'm reading ye all correctly.....they brought Morales back to give him one scene and then kill him off? Part of me can see why the writers did it, if it was part of the 'long plan' from S1- Morales was originally a normal family man who was driven by circumstance to 'become Negan', as I guess were many of the other followers. Maybe Morales was there to represent to the audience what many Negan-ites had become through desperation and fear - but jeez, after bringing the actor back after seven years, at least give him a short story arc! Even just one episode, 'redeemed' or not at the end!

My own hope is that:

Negan's own followers will turn on him some day. I'm sure a large amount of them are there purely out of fear and the search for safety. (Disclaimer: I'm also sure quite a few of them are sociopaths who were ruthless enough to survive initially before lucking onto Negan's group). The rest would say 'I'm Negan' until the cows come home if it meant not being outside the compound battling walkers for survival, even being prepared to do terrible things to ensure their safety. Maybe one day they will see that Negan's way isn't the only way and will rebel against him, fragmenting the Saviours.

Wishful thinking?

manster

Did the "show" just stop or did I miss anything after the gun opened up in the compound on Ezekiel's crew?

duridian

6

thegreengoblin wrote: »

I'm sure if I was paying full attention to what was going on (like the way I used to) I'd have copped it but this is what's happened to the show now. All that shooting and the general stupidity of the characters just leaves my mind numb!

Yep. I agree they have severely drifted into almost a different show compared to what it used to be - and not in a good way. A part of what keeps me watching is my curiosity

Also, I don't know whether to laugh or cry now when the actual "walking dead" appear, such as when the Jesus and Morgan Chain gang were walking towards Hilltop and the dead started falling down the slope.

They seem to completely overdo the old dead eating/ripping skin/flesh off any redshirt that does fall victim, and then any non-redshirts seem to be able to off dozens of walkers with a cocktail stick without breaking a sweat. They really look like a bluebottle buzzing around them would be more of a nuisance.

(Speaking of, shouldn't there be literally billions of such flies swarming around the putrid wanderers, and their larval forms demolishing the walkers by natural means in the summer time?)

duridian

6

manster wrote: »

Did the "show" just stop or did I miss anything after the gun opened up in the compound on Ezekiel's crew?

It just stopped and credits rolled.

DoozerT6

duridian wrote: »

It just stopped and credits rolled.

Although the snapshot of next weeks episode leads us to believe that

Carol really better have something up her sleeve or she's in trouble.

I wonder if Daryl's kill-'em-all attitude in this episode might cause conflict between him and Rick in the future? I think Rick can see that these are extraordinary times in terms of what happened, but I don't think he was entirely happy with it. Anyone else think that?

brianregan09

7

Alot better than the pile of ****e that the 1st 2 episodes are

gitzy16v

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Although the snapshot of next weeks episode leads us to believe that

Carol really better have something up her sleeve or she's in trouble.

I wonder if Daryl's kill-'em-all attitude in this episode might cause conflict between him and Rick in the future? I think Rick can see that these are extraordinary times in terms of what happened, but I don't think he was entirely happy with it. Anyone else think that?

Delighted with Daryls murdering in this episode and hope he goes postal on any of the group who arent prepared to murder anyone who gets in their way,Rick included,it would at least add a bit of spice to this borefest

mojesius

2

The Snowflake jesus/ Morgan moral argument thing followed by the ridiculous karate fight annoyed the crap out of me.
When they were discussing the grand plan ala Rick before this kicked off, surely they'd have agreed upon a prisoner/ no prisoner policy. Does jesus think that Mr hickville with the long hair and co will miraculously turn peaceful and start planting crops in the hilltop at the end of all this?!

Same with Maggie, just shoot that moron Gregory on first sight, he's a traitor. And this lot of prisoners stood by while your husband had his head bashed in and want you dead.

Also Rick looking shocked when Darryl takes a few easy targets out, he was locked up and had to endure mental torture from this lot for a long time, Rick is no Gandhi himself, not sure why he is so troubled all of a sudden.

Very annoying episode. 3/10. Saving grace was Darryl and a few zombies

Collie D

5

Has the script always been this bad? Eric's dying words (whoever the **** he is), Gregory's begging and Ezekiel's Othello impressions were all terrible.

bear1

What a waste of 40mins.
Is anyone else noticing that when the episode is playing you spend more time playing on the phone than watching the show?

Mc Love

3

An improvement but not by much. In that last scene I thought ezekiel was going to get emotional about all the killing but I was mistaken. The thing with the baby and rick maybe has tugged at his heart a bit and might be going soft again.

Hande hoche!

4

Minor improvement, glad to see the Kingdom taking some losses. Think it's too much to ask that Ezekiel catches a .50 round.

Scraggs wrote: »

The scene between Eric and Aaron was painful to watch and such a waste of time. I would have preferred to watch 'pew pew' action or heck even Ezekial act out a Shakespearean play than watch the emosh death scene of someone who didn't feature much.

Slightly better than the last 2 episodes but there is absolutely zero tension in the show which makes it ridiculous to watch.

One thing I found hilarious about that scene was the background noise. Both the saviours and the Alexandra crowd didn't fire one shot, so that the couple could have their emotional scene.

The Talking Bread

Collie D wrote: »

Has the script always been this bad? Eric's dying words (whoever the **** he is), Gregory's begging and Ezekiel's Othello impressions were all terrible.

I gathered the Gregory scene was a bit of light relief in its intention. I actually didn't mind it compared to other parts. He plays the pathetic cowardly "nemesis" well.

Blazer

bear1 wrote: »

What a waste of 40mins.
Is anyone else noticing that when the episode is playing you spend more time playing on the phone than watching the show?

That’s it exactly.
Have to laugh at Rick shooting a 9mm in the hallway with the recoil yet can fire his .357 like a toy gun.
****in ridiculous

Hande hoche!

4

Blazer wrote: »

That’s it exactly.
Have to laugh at Rick shooting a 9mm in the hallway with the recoil yet can fire his .357 like a toy gun.
****in ridiculous

My suspicion is that they are spending the money that was earmarked for blanks on a CGI tiger.

bazz26

The walkers rolling down the side of the hill made me laugh.

Bringing back Morales? WTF was the point of that other than filling 10 mins? Jesus the pacifist hipster is really getting under my skin.

17togo

jonon9 wrote:

So im guessing there will be a full episode just for Negan and Gabriel oh how fun that will be.

In the midst of all this ****ness I had completely forgotten about negan and Gabriel! Not great when you can actually forget about the main villian in a show!

Banjaxed82

3

I just have no fooking idea what The Walking Dead is even about anymore.

Every episode I sit down in the hope that the show will return to better days, but it's obvious the wheels have spectacularly come off and it's imminent death can't come soon enough.

Remember when this show had zombies. Those were the days.

Blazer

If it actually got cancelled in the morning I wouldn’t give a damn as it’s gotten so bad for the past 3 seasons.

Pete Moss

Opted to watch Stranger Things last night instead of TWD. When it was finished, I caught the last 25-30 mins of TWD on Fox+1. I certainly don't think I missed anything of real value in the first 30 mins. From what I saw, it was another weak episode filled lots of pointless shooting and a poor script.

To me, the show is in ruins. I think they've painted themselves into a corner by trying to stay close to the source material in order to shoehorn in so many characters that don't translate well to television. Ezekiel has to be one of the worst television characters of all time.

nc6000

2

Good news everyone.... "AMC wants to keep The Walking Dead on air for much longer than you’d expect."

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/nov/06/fifty-years-of-the-walking-dead-welcome-to-franchise-tv

Peatys

Keplar240B wrote: »

Wow just wow ......... I need a few more days to process my pain, emotions, anger and memory and then I will speak publicly about this episode.

My new method this season is to read these type of posts before watching.. least then i go in with extremely low expectations. Not so bad then..

shoegal1

1

What a load of  'Ah Jesus' (I swear Maggie was taking the piss when she said this...lol). So I guess the buck with the ironed face that was helping them is a foe after all. Bring back Merle. New season is not getting any better

storker

3

The Talking Bread wrote: »

I gathered the Gregory scene was a bit of light relief in its intention. I actually didn't mind it compared to other parts. He plays the pathetic cowardly "nemesis" well.

He actually gave me a laugh, which I wasn't expecting.

Gregory: "Cal is delusional!"
Cal: (From above) "What the hell...?"
Gregory: (Cringes)

Come to think of it, there isn't enough (intended) humour in this show. Given the circumstances these people are in, you'd imagine at least gallows humour would be seen regularly.

storker

3

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

I just have no fooking idea what The Walking Dead is even about anymore.

Every episode I sit down in the hope that the show will return to better days, but it's obvious the wheels have spectacularly come off and it's imminent death can't come soon enough.

Remember when this show had zombies. Those were the days.

I've come to the conclusion that it's being written by a committee.

Del2005

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Minor improvement, glad to see the Kingdom taking some losses. Think it's too much to ask that Ezekiel catches a .50 round.

Since a .50 cal can punch though an engine block and all he had are a few bodies if he doesn't its as bad as Morgan getting shot point blank and walking away.

Why do the allies dead not turn into zombies in the same time as the saviours? They are both taking casualties yet the allies seem immune to the zombies.

The Talking Bread

It is a cartoon/comic based programme, and the comics became more cartoonish after a few editions in Alexandria. I think people just need to accept what it is at this stage and not reminisce on the initial series that much to compare and contrast.
The comic editors decided to go a more cartoonish direction at this juncture to gI've them more licence to play around with the environment and extend and extend the comics and that has now been transferred into the show.

It's unfortunate but I imagine that level of piercing the veil of reality won't stop anytime soon as it is still attracting the viewers and they still have to abide by a lot of the comic plot.



I hope the mass killing of Ezekiel will maybe lower the Shakespean nonsense uttered by Ezekiel to a good degree and I wouldn't be sad to see Maggie go (I never took to her character) although very unlikely as she is so popular and they wouldn't kill off a pregnant woman.

When he didn't put a bullet through Neagan in the first episode when in full view or at least have Neagan speaking from inside the compound through a spesker I knew we were in for a frustrating, unrealistic series so my expectations are low and I am just going with it and hence it hasn't got to point I am going to abandon it as people keep threatening.

Utopia Parkway

mojesius wrote: »

The Snowflake jesus/ Morgan moral argument

Hopefully a big rock falls on the pair of them because they are both ridiculously annoying at this stage. Actually shove Ezekiel, Negan and Gabriel under that rock as well and get whoever's left to go back on the road because this storyline is seriously played out.

Speaking of Negan and Gabriel, they seem to have gone into witness protection since getting stuck inside a portakabin surrounded by walkers at the end of episode 1.

Collie D

5

Where does the Saviour with the long hair know Morgan from? He mentioned it at the end of Episode 2 but I didn't catch it and brought it up again that he knows him in this episode.

Hande hoche!

4

Collie D wrote: »

Where does the Saviour with the long hair know Morgan from? He mentioned it at the end of Episode 2 but I didn't catch it and brought it up again that he knows him in this episode.

To do with Benjamin getting shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA4BsO4cbnE

Collie D

5

Hande hoche! wrote: »

To do with Benjamin getting shot.

Ah, yes. That was actually a decent scene and only last season so maybe there's hope yet

nc6000

2

What ever happened with the "poisoned pigs" they were giving the saviors?

Collie D

5

nc6000 wrote: »

What ever happened with the "poisoned pigs" they were giving the saviors?

Used to buy the loyalty of the crowd in the dump who then contracted whatever the pig version of CJD is. Only explanation for the way they talk that I can come up with.

I could write this ****

bazz26

My theory is that the original TWD writers have gone over to FTWD since Season 2 and the intern writers on the first season of FTWD have gone the other way. FTWD has no comic book boundaries and is just getting better after a dodgy start.

sonofenoch

It's laughably childish the way everyone is running around gung-ho and those outfits of 'armour' have always cracked me up


but I read some spoilers of what's to come, it's enough to keep my interest up for a while, though I wouldn't expect anything in the show to be done in a memorable way now