Steady jobs you can get, without 3rd level

Viscount Aggro

Folks, I am trying to give advice to a nephew who is a school leaver. He wants to get a job that would be a steady earner, and without risk of layoffs a few years into it. He is not academic at all. Any ideas?

I told him the story about my postman mate. He got the job straight from school, plays golf in the K club every weekend (as a member).

Tefral

Id advise him to get a trade. Its impossible to find good trademen now especially plasterers and electricians. Honestly hand on heart i think they will be the next group of people who are well off.

They can always do nixers and they are in such short supply and not enough are taking it as an option they wont have much competition for the next 10 years...

Wanderer78

I'd second a trade, unfortunately the days of a job for life are long passed us. Possibly look at trades such as electrician or fitter etc.

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/About+An+Post/Careers/Clerk-positions-Dublin-Post-Offices.htm They are recruiting at the moment.

The pay is €433 per week.

Retail

Lidl in Ireland Salaries
Job Title Location Lidl Salary
Customer Assistant - Hourly Ireland €12.33/hr.

harr

Would definitely say a trade as well ...electrician, plumber or plastering as mentioned they are in short supply. Nearly impossible in my area to get a good trade person to do any jobs .
Plus with a good trade he has the opportunity to travel if needed.
It might take him a few years to be earning good money but if he sticks with it he can nearly guarantee work with good money..

seamus

Steady earner without a risk of layoff is not realistic tbh. Every job has a risk of layoffs, especially if there's a sudden recession. Lots of people took steady, solid jobs in 2006/2007, only to lose them again in 2009/2010.

So forget that bit. Especially at his age, he's free to play a bit with this; vary his experiences, work for different companies. Don't take the "safe" option, because he doesn't have to. He has no family to support, no loans to pay off.
Take the risky jobs, the ones giving you stock as part of your compensation package, the ones that are four guys working every hour they have to try and get a business off the ground. That's where you gain the most experience and have the potential to make the most money.

He's also lucky, economy is on the up, there are jobs everywhere, entry level and otherwise. If he goes into something like Lidl and tells them straight out that he's looking for a career and not just a job to earn beer money during college, then he'll be encouraged to improve his skills.

A trade is also a good idea, but he shouldn't be aiming to be "a carpenter" and that's it. The amount of people I heard say things like, "You'll always need tradesmen" during the boom, who then lost everything in the recession because they had nothing else to fall back on. So he should get a trade, and then set his sight higher again. Such as starting up his own business, or getting a further qualification or trade.

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Rave.ef

How old is he. The bus driver route is most likely out of the question unless he's 25+. I myself left school and tried a few different jobs before I started a trade but like what's been said recession hit and I ended up in the tyre trade. I use trade lightly because of the amount of cowboys who operate. That been said there are very good garages out there and I wouldn't put anyone off it because it is a solid money maker if your willing to work and get dirty. A good fitter is hard to get now days so with the right place and getting the right knolage id recommend any young lad to try it if they've an interest in cars, truck or plant machinery. Heavy work tho

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Paul_Mc1988

Viscount Aggro wrote:

Folks, I am trying to give advice to a nephew who is a school leaver. He wants to get a job that would be a steady earner, and without risk of layoffs a few years into it. He is not academic at all. Any ideas?

Wanderer78 wrote:

I'd second a trade, unfortunately the days of a job for life are long passed us. Possibly look at trades such as electrician or fitter etc.

harr wrote:

Would definitely say a trade as well ...electrician, plumber or plastering as mentioned they are in short supply. Nearly impossible in my area to get a good trade person to do any jobs . Plus with a good trade he has the opportunity to travel if needed. It might take him a few years to be earning good money but if he sticks with it he can nearly guarantee work with good money..

Lads if he is not academic he won't pass the college phases of an electrical apprenticeship. Plastering would better suit him.

andekwarhola

Solid trades like carpenter, electrician, plumber, car mechanic etc. Not only can you work and do nixers, but you save yourself a fortune over the long run with cost of work yourself.

Luas or train driver sounds like a good number for unskilled work too.

Guy:Incognito

mariaalice wrote: »

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/About+An+Post/Careers/Clerk-positions-Dublin-Post-Offices.htm They are recruiting at the moment.

The pay is €433 per week.

Retail

Lidl in Ireland Salaries
Job Title Location Lidl Salary
Customer Assistant - Hourly Ireland €12.33/hr.

Might have just missed the boat on that one

"or via email to recruitment@anpost.ie to arrive no later than 5.00pm on Tuesday 8 August 2017"

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That is extremity comparative there are people with masters applying for jobs like that that not going to work for someone who is not academic.

Paul_Mc1988

andekwarhola wrote:

Solid trades like carpenter, electrician, plumber, car mechanic etc. Not only can you work and do nixers, but you save yourself a fortune over the long run with cost of work yourself.

Once again these all involve college and he said he is not at all academically inclined. Electricians can hardly do nickers anymore due to new legislation....

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Gmol

Would go for Retail bar the Civil service, it's probably the most recession proof job you'll get

Paul_Mc1988

Paul_Mc1988 wrote: »

Once again these all involve college and he said he is not at all academically inclined. Electricians can hardly do nickers anymore due to new legislation....

That is why large retail or pharmacy chains etc are good for someone who is weak academically there are opportunities to progress and sometimes its just a case of needing to grow up a bit.

One of the FX Buckleys in town has a sign for an apprentice butcher in their window recently.

People always need to eat and use medication.

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I'm a bit concerned at the possible connection between your last two posts :eek:

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I was talking to a butcher recently for NI who owns his own shop and he thinks butches are coming back again and people are shopping more in butchers, also the population of Ireland is increasing recession or no rescission people always need to eat.

Chef

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/hunger-for-chefs-as-hospitality-sector-faces-skills-shortage-1.2700633

They are hundredths of jobs he could do but often what can be the issue for a young person especially if they are a bit immature, looking for something that docent involve weekend work their social life can seem more important to them.

Whats he interested in?

beefburrito

If he's quite proficient in German,he could head off to Germany and get an apprenticeship as a master gardener horticulturist or another trade.

huggy15

Apply for any of the medical/pharmaceutical companies like Abbot, Boston scientific or Medtronic as a factory operative.
I am working for an American medical supplier at the moment and I've no degree and I couldn't be happier. €500 plus per week, guaranteed yearly bonus and pay rise.

knipex

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Folks, I am trying to give advice to a nephew who is a school leaver. He wants to get a job that would be a steady earner, and without risk of layoffs a few years into it. He is not academic at all. Any ideas?

I told him the story about my postman mate. He got the job straight from school, plays golf in the K club every weekend (as a member).

There is no such thing,, unless he can get into the civil or public service.

As people had said look at the trades.

Personally I would avoid the wet trades (plastering block laying etc) as they are very physical and have an impact on the body which can limit the working life.

Depending on the persons academic ability look at the electrical trades, Electricians, instrumentation, refrigeration and air-conditioning. These tend to be better paid, less physical, more scope for career changes, ongoing or additional training and a career path, better options for retraining and they tend to weather the downturns better.

There are also trades such as tool-making etc which have similar scope to and have a career.

other options

Pelvis

huggy15 wrote: »

Apply for any of the medical/pharmaceutical companies like Abbot, Boston scientific or Medtronic as a factory operative.
I am working for an American medical supplier at the moment and I've no degree and I couldn't be happier. €500 plus per week, guaranteed yearly bonus and pay rise.

Is that net or gross?

fret_wimp2

Id actually say IT. Its relatively stable, depending on the company. There are no jobs for life, but build up the right skills and you will be able to move from job to job with out much issue.

More and more IT depts are also scrapping the need for a 3rd level qualification and basing hiring criteria on project portfolio's and real experience, so with a bit of drive you could land a pretty decent job without spending 4 years in third level.

With the democratization of education, you can, with a bit of drive and interest, learn the basics of almost any IT skill online in your own time.
My own personal favorite sites are Udemy and edx, but there are a ton of other ones, coursera, codeAcademy etc etc etc.

e.g. a development module in a 3rd level program is usually 30-40 hours per semester, 1-2 hours per week of lecturers and the rest of the learning is done on your own. A good udemy course will have up to 30 hours of lessons, but with a lot of hands on practicals, giving good, if not better instruction and experience than you would get in Third level.

Once you understand the tech, its down to building up a portfolio of projects, probably by doing a few freebies, or personal projects, and selling yourself to get that first job.

It takes time, effort and diligence, but if the interest and drive is there, far from impossible.

huggy15

Pelvis wrote:

Is that net or gross?

533 net per week

Pelvis

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

Id actually say IT. Its relatively stable, depending on the company. There are no jobs for life, but build up the right skills and you will be able to move from job to job with out much issue.

More and more IT depts are also scrapping the need for a 3rd level qualification and basing hiring criteria on project portfolio's and real experience, so with a bit of drive you could land a pretty decent job without spending 4 years in third level.

With the democratization of education, you can, with a bit of drive and interest, learn the basics of almost any IT skill online in your own time.
My own personal favorite sites are Udemy and edx, but there are a ton of other ones, coursera, codeAcademy etc etc etc.

e.g. a development module in a 3rd level program is usually 30-40 hours per semester, 1-2 hours per week of lecturers and the rest of the learning is done on your own. A good udemy course will have up to 30 hours of lessons, but with a lot of hands on practicals, giving good, if not better instruction and experience than you would get in Third level.

Once you understand the tech, its down to building up a portfolio of projects, probably by doing a few freebies, or personal projects, and selling yourself to get that first job.

It takes time, effort and diligence, but if the interest and drive is there, far from impossible.

I'd say the opposite is the case. Unless you are very talented or know a guy who knows a guy, then having a degree is pretty much essential to getting a job. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but it is the rule. At least when it comes to working in development.

fret_wimp2

Pelvis wrote: »

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

Id actually say IT. Its relatively stable, depending on the company. There are no jobs for life, but build up the right skills and you will be able to move from job to job with out much issue.

More and more IT depts are also scrapping the need for a 3rd level qualification and basing hiring criteria on project portfolio's and real experience, so with a bit of drive you could land a pretty decent job without spending 4 years in third level.

With the democratization of education, you can, with a bit of drive and interest, learn the basics of almost any IT skill online in your own time.
My own personal favorite sites are Udemy and edx, but there are a ton of other ones, coursera, codeAcademy etc etc etc.

e.g. a development module in a 3rd level program is usually 30-40 hours per semester, 1-2 hours per week of lecturers and the rest of the learning is done on your own. A good udemy course will have up to 30 hours of lessons, but with a lot of hands on practicals, giving good, if not better instruction and experience than you would get in Third level.

Once you understand the tech, its down to building up a portfolio of projects, probably by doing a few freebies, or personal projects, and selling yourself to get that first job.

It takes time, effort and diligence, but if the interest and drive is there, far from impossible.

I'd say the opposite is the case. Unless you are very talented or know a guy who knows a guy, then having a degree is pretty much essential to getting a job. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but it is the rule. At least when it comes to working in development.

just need to find the right company. it's becoming evident that skill and experience beats a piece of paper.
people who spent a lot on education often disagree but in the real world , with deliveries and deadlines a good manager will value talent over an expensive "qualification" but no skill to follow through.

the hunt takes a bit of time, and chances are a lot of applications will need to be placed and a fair bit of rejection faced, but that's a given no matter how "qualified" or"certified" a person is.

fret_wimp2

Pelvis wrote: »

fret_wimp2 wrote: »

Id actually say IT. Its relatively stable, depending on the company. There are no jobs for life, but build up the right skills and you will be able to move from job to job with out much issue.

More and more IT depts are also scrapping the need for a 3rd level qualification and basing hiring criteria on project portfolio's and real experience, so with a bit of drive you could land a pretty decent job without spending 4 years in third level.

With the democratization of education, you can, with a bit of drive and interest, learn the basics of almost any IT skill online in your own time.
My own personal favorite sites are Udemy and edx, but there are a ton of other ones, coursera, codeAcademy etc etc etc.

e.g. a development module in a 3rd level program is usually 30-40 hours per semester, 1-2 hours per week of lecturers and the rest of the learning is done on your own. A good udemy course will have up to 30 hours of lessons, but with a lot of hands on practicals, giving good, if not better instruction and experience than you would get in Third level.

Once you understand the tech, its down to building up a portfolio of projects, probably by doing a few freebies, or personal projects, and selling yourself to get that first job.

It takes time, effort and diligence, but if the interest and drive is there, far from impossible.

I'd say the opposite is the case. Unless you are very talented or know a guy who knows a guy, then having a degree is pretty much essential to getting a job. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but it is the rule. At least when it comes to working in development.

just need to find the right company. it's becoming evident that skill and experience beats a piece of paper.
people who spent a lot on education often disagree but in the real world , with deliveries and deadlines a good manager will value talent over an expensive "qualification" but no skill to follow through.

the hunt takes a bit of time, and chances are a lot of applications will need to be placed and a fair bit of rejection faced, but that's a given no matter how "qualified" or"certified" a person is.

minikin

I’d advise anyone in this position to become an electrician... think of all the vehicle charge points that will have to be installed in homes in the coming decade!

whatlliwear

A trade of an entry level civil service job. If he can get into the civil service and can pass his probation it is a job for life. However, a trade could mean a lot more money and the possibility of working abroad.

pawdee

You don't have to be academically inclined to go to college these days so I'd say he'd be grand there. That said, I'd recommend that he learns a trade.

knipex

Paul_Mc1988 wrote: »

Lads if he is not academic he won't pass the college phases of an electrical apprenticeship. Plastering would better suit him.

Not necessarily.

I know guys that were non academic but put the head down for a few month fo the phases and got through.

Does he have a leaving cert ?? or a reasonably junior cert with maths..

PLL

Chef.

Low pay. Abusive. But don't need degree and there will ALWAYS be jobs.