Airlines get ready for new U.S. security rules from Thursday

coylemj

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - New security measures including stricter passenger screening take effect on Thursday (Oct 26th 2017) on all U.S.-bound flights to comply with government requirements designed to avoid an in-cabin ban on laptops, airlines said Tuesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-airlines-security/airlines-get-ready-for-new-u-s-security-rules-from-thursday-idUSKBN1CT2GE

L1011

Ah, the US's continual evolution of security rules we have to deal with due to them suddenly realising they needed security on domestic flights and deciding to add stuff to international ones to try deflect attention from how 9/11 wouldn't have happened anywhere else in the entire damn world. Still at it.

Steve

So, no laptops in carry-on.

Hows that going to work?

I spent many years travelling for work and my laptop was part of that. Now they expect you to give it to the throwers??

coylemj

Steve wrote: »

So, no laptops in carry-on.

Hows that going to work?

I spent many years travelling for work and my laptop was part of that. Now they expect you to give it to the throwers??

No, these new measures are designed to avoid banning laptops in the cabin. Read the first post again.

Steve

coylemj wrote: »

No, these new measures are designed to avoid banning laptops in the cabin. Read the first post again.

Doh.. I read the article you linked and interpreted it wrong.. Getting old, my mistake

Good thing I'm not a pilot

Tenger

Steve wrote: »

So, no laptops in carry-on................

I read it as all devices larger than a cell phone must be taken out and screened. Having gone to the US many times in the last 5 years they often only request laptops out of bags at security, iPads and similar were allowed inside bags going through scanners.
In addition short verbal questioning will occur, it doesn't say if this is selective or a blanket process.

Steve

Slightly off topic but in the same vein, I went through security in LGRP a month ago and the officer, who was anxious to keep the line moving, got annoyed with me when I said I had a laptop and an Ipad in my bag (along with chargers and headphones and various wires /HDD's etc) I need to take out.. he said leave it, it's fine...

Was gobsmacked and a little uneasy tbh.

L1011

Steve wrote: »

Was gobsmacked and a little uneasy tbh.

Its security theatre - the xrays aren't so unable to see through a bag that they need laptops out of it.

The basic metal detector portal + thirty year old xray with nothing taken out of the bag would have prevented most hijackings/on-person bombings and realistically; more viligant pax since 9/11 have foiled other attempts. The continuing increase in security checks is security theatre and nothing else.

I suspect the Irish are probably the most exposed and jaded towards security theatre from all the stuff we had to put up with during "the troubles"; it confuses/convinces more people elsewhere.

Locker10a

L1011 wrote: »

Steve wrote: »

Was gobsmacked and a little uneasy tbh.

Its security theatre - the xrays aren't so unable to see through a bag that they need laptops out of it.

The basic metal detector portal + thirty year old xray with nothing taken out of the bag would have prevented most hijackings/on-person bombings and realistically; more viligant pax since 9/11 have foiled other attempts. The continuing increase in security checks is security theatre and nothing else.

I suspect the Irish are probably the most exposed and jaded towards security theatre from all the stuff we had to put up with during "the troubles"; it confuses/convinces more people elsewhere.

I agree with you, I was recently very surprised to hear that not all airport employees who have access to airside in us airports have background checks! In Europe that would be a no-go! Thought the Americans would be all over that kind of thing.

L1011

Locker10a wrote: »

I agree with you, I was recently very surprised to hear that not all airport employees who have access to airside in us airports have background checks! In Europe that would be a no-go! Thought the Americans would be all over that kind of thing.

The US have a programme for flight crew to carry firearms.

That just defines their "security" procedures.


And we all suffer advanced security theatre because they dare not admit they have useless security (or none, pre 9/11)

Noxegon

Tenger wrote: »

In addition short verbal questioning will occur, it doesn't say if this is selective or a blanket process.

I flew American to the US about two years ago now, and they were interviewing everyone, resulting in a checkin queue that took ninety minutes. As I recall I was asked who I worked for, how long I'd been there, and who my boss was.

I presume the questions were pointless and it was body language they were after, though honestly I'm surprised they got useful data – as the unexpected delay left me with very limited time to catch my flight, rendering me obviously stressed.

Dardania

Noxegon wrote: »

Tenger wrote: »

In addition short verbal questioning will occur, it doesn't say if this is selective or a blanket process.

I flew American to the US about two years ago now, and they were interviewing everyone, resulting in a checkin queue that took ninety minutes. As I recall I was asked who I worked for, how long I'd been there, and who my boss was.

I presume the questions were pointless and it was body language they were after, though honestly I'm surprised they got useful data – as the unexpected delay left me with very limited time to catch my flight, rendering me obviously stressed.

Was this with the black suited people in Dublin T2, that rove through all the check-in queues with a passport scanners? Very weird setup - I queried it once, apparently funded by the airlines, to prevent later issues at CBP.
Never mind that I was asked all the questions again at CBP...

munchkin_utd

L1011 wrote: »

Its security theatre - the xrays aren't so unable to see through a bag that they need laptops out of it.
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I suspect the Irish are probably the most exposed and jaded towards security theatre from all the stuff we had to put up with during "the troubles"; it confuses/convinces more people elsewhere.

Don't start. Theatre doesn't even describe it.

A couple of weeks after 9/11 I was flying out of Newark and subjected to a "random" security check.

The imbecile security guard type behind the checkin desks takes the bag, flings it into the xray scanner, runs around and pulls it through from the other side. He then "analysed" the results on a monitor that I'd guess wasn't even turned on, and declared that we were fine to travel.

It was an utter charade

Noxegon

Dardania wrote: »

Was this with the black suited people in Dublin T2, that rove through all the check-in queues with a passport scanners?

No, this was actually at the check-in desk.

Manny7

Not sure if it will be the same worldwide, but I went through the enhanced US flight security in Doha after the US cancelled the brief laptop ban for flights from here in the summer - all carry-on electronics larger than a phone had to be taken out at a pre-security desk, swabbed, and sealed in individual bags. You could take them out of the bags as soon as you went through the x-ray.

Roger_007

I will be flying to the US in a couple of weeks, (flying at 2pm, midweek). Should I allow more time than usual to get through regular security and immigration/security? I have allowed about two hours On previous trips.

goingnowhere

This hassle is with the US carriers only right? No hassle with Aer Lingus?

All seems a bit of a waste with CBP in Dublin. You need a valid visa to travel, can't check in otherwise and if you are flagged for any reason you won't be checked in. You have to go through security twice, the DAA security check (arguably much more detailed and efficient than the TSA ever have been) and the very soft check done before CBP.

Can't see any cost on the airline if someone is refused, they are just escorted out of the airport.

dashoonage

Flying through Shannon next week. Will i need to allow extra time to get through pre clerance now ?

dashoonage

dashoonage wrote: »

Flying through Shannon next week. Will i need to allow extra time to get through pre clerance now ?

At a guess yes, until these things bed in and staff get more efficient at it.

donkey balls

Noxegon wrote: »

I flew American to the US about two years ago now, and they were interviewing everyone, resulting in a checkin queue that took ninety minutes. As I recall I was asked who I worked for, how long I'd been there, and who my boss was.

I presume the questions were pointless and it was body language they were after, though honestly I'm surprised they got useful data – as the unexpected delay left me with very limited time to catch my flight, rendering me obviously stressed.

Are these the lads that stand around US carriers & US irish bound aircraft in black suits on the ramp along as the airbridge & terminal?