Irish rail fancy a bit of the auld striking until i get my cash

Specialun

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1020/913807-iarnrod-eireann-dispute/

One of the strike days is ire vs denmark...maximum impact one there

Really sick of the overpaid and under productive public sector striking the second things dont go their way

Hector Bellend

Nice bit of an aul public sector pay dispute

fxotoole

bunch of auld shytebags

Zebra3

Specialun wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1020/913807-iarnrod-eireann-dispute/

One of the strike days is ire vs denmark...maximum impact one there

Really sick of the overpaid and under productive public sector striking the second things dont go their way

How do you know they are overpaid and underproductive?

ThunbergsAreGo

Specialun wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1020/913807-iarnrod-eireann-dispute/

One of the strike days is ire vs denmark...maximum impact one there

Really sick of the overpaid and under productive public sector striking the second things dont go their way

Surprised it's not the day after the match as well give them all a good lie in

The_Kew_Tour

Sure what's new with them.

another whinge and get few days off for themselves, while people who actually want to work cant cause they wont.

Thank Flip I don't have use Trains as my means of Transport.

Are Am Eye

The drivers just need a platform from which to voice their
industrial relations concerns. They may not have fully gauged
public criticism.

TheShow

They probably need a day to do the crimbo shopping.

I'd hazard a guess the average joe can swap out a train with a bus fairly easily these days, with the motorway network as it is, and not be put out by much.

Littlehorny

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess the average joe can swap out a train with a bus fairly easily these days, with the motorway network as it is, and not be put out by much.

The roads are not too bad now regarding long distances, you can get anywhere in the country now in a few hours and have the convenience of the car to come and go as you please. Don't know how much commuters will be put out though.
I think the public will be angry because the staff are looking for pay rises while Irish Rail ran at a 160 million loss last year.

Alf Veedersane

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess the average joe can swap out a train with a bus fairly easily these days, with the motorway network as it is, and not be put out by much.

You can probably get where you want once you're not too far from the city centre. And then its a combination of buses. And then you could be waiting because buses will be full since everyone has to get around on buses.

So i guess it depends what you consider not being put out too much.

Riva10

As our TDs and judges are in line for a fat rise, why should not Irish Ráil employees any different.

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You can probably get where you want once you're not too far from the city centre. And then its a combination of buses. And then you could be waiting because buses will be full since everyone has to get around on buses.

So i guess it depends what you consider not being put out too much.

If you're travelling any kind of a distance at all, to a big event, you'd get a private coach.

Either organised by yourself, or by private companies who see the train strike as a great opportunity to make some cash. Be no shortage of buses dropping directly at the event/s on in the city.

And you can be confident that if the rail strike lasts more than a day or two the public buses (BE/DB) will be off sick, too, with their sympathy strikes.


Private operators will be sitting around humming Shane McMahon's theme tune:

Specialun

Riva10 wrote: »

As our TDs and judges are in line for a fat rise, why should not Irish Ráil employees any different.

Why is everything compared to TD's salary in this country

Sebastian Dangerfield

Specialun wrote: »

Why is everything compared to TD's salary in this country

TDs can be voted out if they dont do a good job. These boyos are in it for life, productive or not

Keith186

Specialun wrote: »

Why is everything compared to TD's salary in this country

They're the benchmark of mediocrity so if they get a pay rise we all deserve one.

SEPT 23 1989

Bizarre behavior from employees of a company drowning in debt

davycc

Hopefully they get a fair pay increase asap so less people be affected by the strike

baylah17

davycc wrote: »

Hopefully they get a fair pay increase asap so less people be affected by the strike

Fair would be a pay cut until the company stops running multi million deficits.
Fair would be the Gov as the only shareholder just let Irish Rail go onto liquidation and let it be privatised.

Fr_Dougal

8th of December? Wtf!

GhostyMcGhost

davycc wrote: »

Hopefully they get a fair pay increase asap so less people be affected by the strike

And more affected by the (inevitable) fare increase

Alf Veedersane

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you're travelling any kind of a distance at all, to a big event, you'd get a private coach.

Either organised by yourself, or by private companies who see the train strike as a great opportunity to make some cash. Be no shortage of buses dropping directly at the event/s on in the city.

And you can be confident that if the rail strike lasts more than a day or two the public buses (BE/DB) will be off sick, too, with their sympathy strikes.


Private operators will be sitting around humming Shane McMahon's theme tune:

If you're heading out of the city?

Plenty of buses were too full to pick anyone up in city centre heading in the direction I work the last time there was a strike. And very few going out my direction.

caff

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

TDs can be voted out if they dont do a good job. These boyos are in it for life, productive or not

You can vote them out but they get severance and a pension

caff

Keith186 wrote: »

They're the benchmark of mediocrity so if they get a pay rise we all deserve one.

they benchmark themselves against private sector ceos

caff

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Bizarre behavior from employees of a company drowning in debt

If your removed the upkeep of the rail tracks similar to how you don't measure bus profits taking into account the cost if roads it would be a different story. Public transport doesn't have to make a profit. It is subsidised travel for customers and employees of business paid for by taxes.

keith_sixteen

The rail network in Ireland is an embarrassment to the country. It's just so fucking drab.

eigrod

Specialun wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1020/913807-iarnrod-eireann-dispute/

One of the strike days is ire vs denmark...maximum impact one there

Really sick of the overpaid and under productive public sector striking the second things dont go their way

They're not public sector. If they were, they would have taken pay cuts between 2010 and 2016 and had a pension levy imposed on them.

Public sector pay rates are still below what they were in 2008. Irish Rail employees pay rates are not.

blackvalley

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Bizarre behavior from employees of a company drowning in debt

It is a public service company and as such was never intended to " make a profit " The only reason that it is drowning in debt is that the government subvention is simply not enough to run the service and pay the staff a decent wage.
Companies like Dublin bus , irish rail , and bus Eireann are there as part of the structure of this country like roads , bridges ,parks , etc and were never intended to make a profit.

keith_sixteen

blackvalley wrote: »

Companies like Dublin bus , irish rail , and bus Eireann are there as part of the structure of this country like roads , bridges ,parks , etc and were never intended to make a profit.

Well I have to agree that the likes of Irish rail certainly act in the same non-sentient way a bridge or a park would.

A rail system that is just "there".

Sebastian Dangerfield

Not once this week has the Dart in or out of work been less than 10 mins late. Its late every single day, either in or out, or both, but less than 10 mins seems to be taken as acceptable. The thought of paying more for this **** in any form turns my stomach

Riva10

baylah17 wrote: »

Fair would be a pay cut until the company stops running multi million deficits.
Fair would be the Gov as the only shareholder just let Irish Rail go onto liquidation and let it be privatised.

Fair would be to get rid of the management team who has allowed the debt to continue to increase.

ziggy

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Assetbacked

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Not once this week has the Dart in or out of work been less than 10 mins late. Its late every single day, either in or out, or both, but less than 10 mins seems to be taken as acceptable. The thought of paying more for this **** in any form turns my stomach

The Irish Rail twitter is getting more and more replies to its "service from X is delayed due to Y" which is indicative of how fed up people are of the service being provided. The excuse is that it's the time of year but that is a complete cop out; every single day for the past couple of weeks there have been train and dart delays. It's inexcusable in a supposed modern time to just allow trains to be delayed so regularly. We have now taken to leaving 30 minutes earlier in order to make sure that we can factor in delays. Luckily we've signed a lease for a city centre place as of the past few days so will gladly not have to use the train anymore but I sympathise with commuters and not with drivers and staff.

Assetbacked

ziggy wrote: »

Indeed. The company is €160 million in debt and losing money.

Let’s strike for more money. WTF?!!

To be fair it's not really the employees concern particularly as a profitable train company would hardly make them richer. At the same time just because they strike doesn't mean they have legitimate reason to strike.

ChikiChiki

keith_sixteen wrote: »

The rail network in Ireland is an embarrassment to the country. It's just so fucking drab.

IR struggle to run the tiny suburban network of about four lines in Dublin. Trains rarely on time (despite their high punctuality propaganda waffle) and very overcrowded at rush hour. Infrastructure failings such as signl faults are also quite common.

They are an absolute embarressment in this day in age. There should be no pay increases until they sort their **** out. Once again commuters will be hit in the pocket for any increases awarded and the working classes will be further squeezed needlessly. This has to reach a tipping point some day.

ThunbergsAreGo

ChikiChiki wrote: »

IR struggle to run the tiny suburban network of about four lines in Dublin. Trains rarely on time (despite their high punctuality propaganda waffle) and very overcrowded at rush hour. Infrastructure failings such as signl faults are also quite common.

They are an absolute embarressment in this day in age. There should be no pay increases until they sort their **** out. Once again commuters will be hit in the pocket for any increases awarded and the working classes will be further squeezed needlessly. This has to reach a tipping point some day.

To be fair the lad hitting go on the train can't really fix that

gimli2112

what kills me about these things is they're looking for 3.75% and being offered 1.75%, say €20 a week in the difference on a relatively small workforce. Yet there's no chance of any resolution or compromise, so an all out strike it is then.

Alf Veedersane

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If you're heading out of the city?

Plenty of buses were too full to pick anyone up in city centre heading in the direction I work the last time there was a strike. And very few going out my direction.

Think the OP was talking about getting to/from a game of football, though.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

gimli2112 wrote: »

what kills me about these things is they're looking for 3.75% and being offered 1.75%, say €20 a week in the difference on a relatively small workforce. Yet there's no chance of any resolution or compromise, so an all out strike it is then.

You do realise that €20 per week amounts to an additional €4 million per year for a company already losing €2.2 million a year?

baylah17

Riva10 wrote: »

Fair would be to get rid of the management team who has allowed the debt to continue to increase.

Fair would be put it into liquidation
See how the lazy bums cope with 188 a week on the dole while new staff are hired on realistic terms and conditions

gimli2112

Giselle Black Gumdrop wrote: »

You do realise that €20 per week amounts to an additional €4 million per year for a company already losing €2.2 million a year?

i do
it's €4M, that's what both sides are arguing over €4M?
honestly both management and the workers are a disgrace
i'd take the pain tear it down and raze the earth
let them reap what they sowed

branie2

They should get what they want

wakka12

The sooner robots replace these tossers the better..their days are numbered. Id actually feel sorry for them if they werent holding the country for ransom every other year

What makes it even more infuritating is the fact that they are already highly overpaid for a job involving no skill what so ever

jaxxx

wakka12 wrote: »

The sooner robots replace these tossers the better..their days are numbered. Id actually feel sorry for them if they werent holding the country for ransom every other year

What makes it even more infuritating is the fact that they are already highly overpaid for a job involving no skill what so ever

I wouldn't say no skill whatsoever but it's hardly a high stress job like nursing, emergency services, etc. As an unemployed person it really p*sses me off; train, the LUAS and Bus Eireann drivers. The lot of them are overpaid to begin with. I would kill to be on the money they're on, even before the whole kick up started with LUAS there a few years ago. Compare a bus driver for BE to one working for a private company. It's actually disgusting and in my opinion is nothing short of pure greed. Whatever good that trade unions were originally imagined to be, they've become what I can only describe as a cancer on this country (and I don't use that word easily as I had that f*ck*r many years ago)

jaxxx

jaxxx wrote: »

I wouldn't say no skill whatsoever but it's hardly a high stress job like nursing, emergency services, etc. As an unemployed person it really p*sses me off; train, the LUAS and Bus Eireann drivers. The lot of them are overpaid to begin with. I would kill to be on the money they're on, even before the whole kick up started with LUAS there a few years ago. Compare a bus driver for BE to one working for a private company. It's actually disgusting and in my opinion is nothing short of pure greed. Whatever good that trade unions were originally imagined to be, they've become what I can only describe as a cancer on this country (and I don't use that word easily as I had that f*ck*r many years ago)

In fairness, Bus drivers in Dublin city deserve the wage they get. A bus driver plodding along the motorway all day, a train driver, or a LUAS driver all have much easier jobs, in my opinion.


I'm self employed at the moment, and things are going alright. Not gonna be rich anytime soon, but im happy enough (not earning as much as any of the above drivers).

As soon as my self employment comes crashing down, which im sure it will eventually, i'll be applying for LUAS repeatedly. If I was in retail, on the dole, in an office, etc. or doing any other normal 9-5, i'd be applying to LUAS.

Seems like the best job in the world. Minimal responsibility, lots to see each day to keep you entertained, and a great wage to go with it. In an absolute heartbeat I would be applying for that job.

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd hazard a guess the average joe can swap out a train with a bus fairly easily these days, with the motorway network as it is, and not be put out by much.

likely not correct.

Deleted User wrote: »

If you're travelling any kind of a distance at all, to a big event, you'd get a private coach.

not always. in fact, extra trains for special events are often hugely loaded.

Deleted User wrote: »

Either organised by yourself, or by private companies who see the train strike as a great opportunity to make some cash. Be no shortage of buses dropping directly at the event/s on in the city.

the licenced route operators yes . or the odd bus hired by a group.

Deleted User wrote: »

And you can be confident that if the rail strike lasts more than a day or two the public buses (BE/DB) will be off sick, too, with their sympathy strikes.

no they won't.

Deleted User wrote: »

Private operators will be sitting around humming Shane McMahon's theme tune:

they won't as they will have to come up with lots of capacity they don't have.

eeguy

end of the road wrote: »

not always. in fact, extra trains for special events are often hugely loaded

they won't as they will have to come up with lots of capacity they don't have.

Extra trains are hugely loaded as they don't put on enough extra trains or carriages, probably due to union crap. The BE strike showed that privates can get access to plenty of capacity if they want. Matthews doubled up to take the extra demand.
Kavanaghs did the same.
AFAIK Aircoach were flat out since the BE f*ckers were out intimidating the GoBe drivers.
Again they'll make a killing when the strike hits.

Let them strike. People will find a way and adapt they're constantly running themselves into uselessness. Even if privatisation is a bad idea, people will push for it over constant strikes.

HandsomeBob

I don't blame them and targeting specific days is the right thing to do. Irish Rail have been treating both their staff and customers with contempt for a long time, essentially closing down some stations by no longer having them manned.

Looked after instead by unreliable machines that will potentially lead to fines. God help you if you dare have the gall to assume someone on the other end will see logic and let you pay when you get off.

eeguy

HandsomeBob wrote: »

I don't blame them and targeting specific days is the right thing to do. Irish Rail have been treating both their staff and customers with contempt for a long time, essentially closing down some stations by no longer having them manned.

Looked after instead by unreliable machines that will potentially lead to fines. God help you if you dare have the gall to assume someone on the other end will see logic and let you pay when you get off.

You're dead right. But the issue here is that every time IE have gotten extra money the unions kick up a fuss that bit should be ploughed into wages.
So when everyone else uses its budget to invest in the future, IE is left stuck in the 90s with outdated equipment and practice's, with employees with extremely cushy salary and conditions.

IE need a clean slate to kick off from. This won't happen when you have unions with a strike and lockout era mentality.

end of the road

eeguy wrote: »

Extra trains are hugely loaded as they don't put on enough extra trains or carriages, probably due to union crap.

it's nothing to do with the unions. it's to do with the fact they are charged money by the NTA for running extra services as they are being used for non-PSO services.

eeguy wrote: »

The BE strike showed that privates can get access to plenty of capacity if they want. Matthews doubled up to take the extra demand.
Kavanaghs did the same.

the be strike did not show that the privates can get access to plenty of capacity. they were able to get some capacity at a cost but for the most part they were hugely flat out and struggled.

eeguy wrote: »

AFAIK Aircoach were flat out since the BE f*ckers were out intimidating the GoBe drivers.

the non-be f//kers were not intimidating gobe staff.

eeguy wrote: »

Again they'll make a killing when the strike hits.

they won't make a killing no . they will make money but it won't be a "killing"

eeguy wrote: »

Let them strike. People will find a way and adapt they're constantly running themselves into uselessness.

they will adapt for the strike days, but it will be too hard to adapt long term to options that are inferior to the current option. the railway is not constantly running themselves into uselessness as the railway dispite it's falts can never be useless.

eeguy wrote: »

Even if privatisation is a bad idea, people will push for it over constant strikes.

they will, but will be in for a rude awakening when the reality that privatization doesn't stop strikes, fare rises or staff seeking pay rises hits, which it will quite quickly. luas has alreadty proven in an irish context as such, and the uk has plenty of proof of this in terms of the railways and bus services.
there are also no constant strikes in the transport sector in ireland, in fact ireland is one of the lowest striking countries.

end of the road

Specialun wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/1020/913807-iarnrod-eireann-dispute/

One of the strike days is ire vs denmark...maximum impact one there

Really sick of the overpaid and under productive public sector striking the second things dont go their way

there is no over-paid and under productive public sector on the whole.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Sure what's new with them.

another whinge and get few days off for themselves, while people who actually want to work cant cause they wont.

Thank Flip I don't have use Trains as my means of Transport.

the people who supposibly want to work aren't being stopped by the irish rail staff who do want to work, but who want the company to honour it's agreement, from getting to work. if someone really wants to work they will get to work.

Assetbacked wrote: »

The Irish Rail twitter is getting more and more replies to its "service from X is delayed due to Y" which is indicative of how fed up people are of the service being provided. The excuse is that it's the time of year but that is a complete cop out; every single day for the past couple of weeks there have been train and dart delays. It's inexcusable in a supposed modern time to just allow trains to be delayed so regularly. We have now taken to leaving 30 minutes earlier in order to make sure that we can factor in delays. Luckily we've signed a lease for a city centre place as of the past few days so will gladly not have to use the train anymore but I sympathise with commuters and not with drivers and staff.

the time of year being a major reason for delays is not a copout but a fact. at this time of year there is substancial leaf fall. when leaves go onto the line, they are crushed by the trains and turn into a greecy mulch. this in turn causes the wheels to have less grip on the tracks, meaning wheelslip and sliding. these are facts.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

IR struggle to run the tiny suburban network of about four lines in Dublin. Trains rarely on time (despite their high punctuality propaganda waffle) and very overcrowded at rush hour. Infrastructure failings such as signl faults are also quite common.

They are an absolute embarressment in this day in age. There should be no pay increases until they sort their **** out. Once again commuters will be hit in the pocket for any increases awarded and the working classes will be further squeezed needlessly. This has to reach a tipping point some day.

our boys in irish rail are working class.