Proposal to cut part-time farmer CAP payments

theaceofspies

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/proposal-to-cut-part-time-farmer-cap-payments-317578

Looks like the EU just want factory farms - they'll do to farming what they've done to fishing

bogman_bass

Click bait headline. Proposal is to cap at between €60k and €100k
How many part time guys have that big of a payment?

tractorporn

bogman_bass wrote:

Click bait headline. Proposal is to cap at between €60k and €100k How many part time guys have that big of a payment?

The way I read it was that the cap is only part of the proposal and that they want to take money from part timers and give it to full timers as well as putting a cap in place.

Tbh my heart sank when I saw the notification on the phone earlier. It would make you wonder why you would bother keeping going.

solerina

It would be more in their line to cut the many, many 80 + year old ‘active farmers’ who are cleaning up on payments and pensions !! We have one woman near here who won’t sign over the place to her son and she is 89 !!

hurling_lad

bogman_bass wrote: »

Click bait headline. Proposal is to cap at between €60k and €100k
How many part time guys have that big of a payment?

It seems the relevant line of the article is

DG Agri proposes “enhanced support to smaller farms, notably through a redistributive payment” and a “focus on those who depend on farming for their living”

Grueller

Sure what's a full time farmer? Bar the dairy man around here everyone has off farm income. Every tillage man does some contracting, beef men and sheep are mainly off farm.

emaherx

Grueller wrote: »

Sure what's a full time farmer? Bar the dairy man around here everyone has off farm income. Every tillage man does some contracting, beef men and sheep are mainly off farm.

It's OK we are all full time farmers.
Well I spend as much time farming as I do in my other full time job.

Bleating Lamb

Marian Harkin (One of NW regions Euro reps) was at an Agri related meeting in Sligo around 3 weeks ago,off the record afterwards she said that there are advanced plans in place in Euro Commission to reduce payments to ALL farmers in countries such as Ireland,France etc who have benefitted for years in favour of redistributing funds to newer member States.Unfortunately age is a lady who normally has ‘her finger on the pulse ‘ in Europe.To be fair this has being muted for a while now so we will have to grin and bear it.

Bleating Lamb

Sorry for double post.

Reggie.

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Marian Harkin (One of NW regions Euro reps) was at an Agri related meeting in Sligo around 3 weeks ago,off the record afterwards she said that there are advanced plans in place in Euro Commission to reduce payments to ALL farmers in countries such as Ireland,France etc who have benefitted for years in favour of redistributing funds to newer member States.Unfortunately she is a lady who normally has ‘her finger on the pulse ‘ in Europe.To be fair this has being muted for a while now so we will have to grin and bear it.

If nothing else it will free up land for leasing from the likes of GLAS

arctictree

The devil will be in the detail. I'd say the implementation of this would be crazy. Not making much on the farm? - we'll cut your payments. I farm with no entitlements myself. Will I be classed as part time as most of my income is off farm out of necessity?

Bass Reeves

There are big changes coming down the road to farm payments in general. It is unlikly that the Dept of Agri will ever again get away with what happened with last GLAS scheme and the way greening was calculated.

It is likly that next BPS will be front loaded for smaller farmers as well payments will be flattened and greening will be a flat amount/acre. Large farm payment in the 100's of thousands will be cut back to a lower maximum payment. This will reduce the pressure with redistribution to the later arriving eastern EU countries. Most lads with smaller payments will lose little where the real losers will be those that have higher payments and high rates/HA.

What is the defination of a farmer and what is part time and who is full time. Is a lad hauling cattle and tangling a part time or full time farmer, a contractor part of who's income is from non agri related work a full time farmer. Should an individual that is in there 70's farming at a low rate be more entitled to a fairly good BPS compared to a young lad working and farming at the same or a higher level part time. Will this discourage farmers from retiring as Dad can draw a higher payment with his pension while junior has a job.

tractorporn

Check out this Article I found - https://www.farmersjournal.ie/full-time-farmer-favouritism-and-a-cap-on-payments-among-new-cap-proposals-317985

This teases out the proposals a bit further and there's a bit of comment at the bottom. Sorry it's for subscribers but if you put the code from the country living in you'll get to read it.

50HX

at the glas training recently the word seems to be that the end of "handy" money for environmental schemes is over once glas is finished

there will be enviro schemes in the future but you will have to do the measures first then get an inspection and then payment

on inspection your measure will be graded on a scale of 1-10, the higher the number you get the higher your payment will

so for example if you put in sand for bees and do everything as required you get a high score

if you don't maintain the vegetation growth around the sand then you grade lower and your payment will reflect this

this is a very simplistic example but that's what was given on the day

Reggie.

50HX wrote: »

at the glas training recently the word seems to be that the end of "handy" money for environmental schemes is over once glas is finished

there will be enviro schemes in the future but you will have to do the measures first then get an inspection and then payment

on inspection your measure will be graded on a scale of 1-10, the higher the number you get the higher your payment will

so for example if you put in sand for bees and do everything as required you get a high score

if you don't maintain the vegetation growth around the sand then you grade lower and your payment will reflect this

this is a very simplistic example but that's what was given on the day

About time

The part time boy

How coukd they inspect every farm ? I know dep of ag budget got a bit bigger but can't see that been a runner .

Sounds like a trainer with a option rather than fact.

50HX

The part time boy wrote: »

How coukd they inspect every farm ? I know dep of ag budget got a bit bigger but can't see that been a runner .

Sounds like a trainer with a option rather than fact.

why wouldn't they

50% of all glas participants are to be inspected over the 5 years

they could lob a portion of it into bord bia under origin green