Tradesmen rate

jimbo1979

Anybody know how much carpenters are charging per hour/day rate at the moment

BryanF

Where?

BryanF

Seeing min 25€ per hr
~40€ company hr rate

In cork

the_pen_turner

130-150 minium plus vat and milage etc

Gumbo

€150 to hang a door, frame and architrave into an existing opening.
Dublin location.

kieran.

€40 /hr would be the typical tendered rate I'm seeing in the North East

Arddon

What would you expect a carpenter to do in an hour...or a day...
- Hang # of doors - frames, hinges, locks, architraves
- lay a floor
- skirting on # rooms
- # window boards
Just curious...€40/hr is €320/day is €1600/wk...not unsubstantial.
I know a couple of carpenters and to pay an hourly rate wouldnt be wise...so if paying an houly rate i think it'd be important to set some expectations that are realistic and agreeable to both

kieran.

When you break it down its not unreasonable you have to look at the overall picture not just the man doing the work. (unless he is a one man band of course)
Tendered rate €40.00
Exclude holiday pay 11.54% €4.62
Exclude time lost travelling, etc ( unbillable hrs) 10% €4.00
Company overheads 10% €4.00
Company PROFIT 20% €8.00

Gross Wage To Tradesman (Employee) €19.38
Annual Gross €37,800.00

Arddon

Sorry, I didn't intend to question it
I was more curious as to what a carpenter could realistically achieve in the day/week
the going rate is the going rate...

Arddon

Sorry, I didn't intend to question it
I was more curious as to what a carpenter could realistically achieve in the day/week
the going rate is the going rate...

Tefral

Your much better off to bundle a package together and agree a price for the whole lot.

I charge staff out at day rates and its like printing money. Staff drag the boll*cks out of it too because theres no incentive to complete it very quickly, whereas if you agree a fixed price, its in his best interest to do the job as quick as he can and get out on to the next one.

jimbo1979

Quoting a few jobs at the moment,€20 per hour seems to be the rate,not many builders paying anymore than that

BryanF

Where?
Paye or contractor rate?

jimbo1979

BryanF wrote: »

Where?
Paye or contractor rate?

Cork.contractor rate

Tefral

jimbo1979 wrote: »

Cork.contractor rate

For a qualified tradesman? Not a hope. Something wrong there. unless its blackmarket rates.

jimbo1979

Tefral wrote: »

For a qualified tradesman? Not a hope. Something wrong there. unless its blackmarket rates.

Lads in Waterford city working €150a day before tax as sub-contractors,maybe dublin is the only place charging the big bucks

the_pen_turner

I find 20 euro an hour or 150 a day very hard to believe if it is through a contractor. they have to charge guys out higher than they are paying them.

at those rates you wouldn't even be on minimum wage

kieran.

At €150 a day im guessing they are subbing to a subcontractor who is subbing off the main contractor.
Rates
Subbie (Man actually doing the work) - €150 per day
Main Carpentry Sub Contractor - €250 per day
Main Contractor to client employer €350 per day

SeanSouth

Cork €150 - €200

jimbo1979

Was talking to one of my carpenter friends working on site doing roofing.buiider paying him 22 ph and he has a gang working with him doing roofs for 12 ph.you get more for staking shelves in lidl.no wonder so many tradesmen went into factory work where your in out of weather have holiday pay and pension.no dropping your price to bare minimum to get the job or constantly chase builders for money.the construction industry in this country is still a shambles

Bonzo Delaney

jimbo1979 wrote: »

Was talking to one of my carpenter friends working on site doing roofing.buiider paying him 22 ph and he has a gang working with him doing roofs for 12 ph.you get more for staking shelves in lidl.no wonder so many tradesmen went into factory work where your in out of weather have holiday pay and pension.no dropping your price to bare minimum to get the job or constantly chase builders for money.the construction industry in this country is still a shambles

I suppose what you have to determine there is
Are the 12e/h lads employed so all their contributions are taken care of or are they sub contracting off the 22e/h lads
If they are sub contractors and that's their gross amount before tax they should have a chat with Mr Lidl.

Then again it's a lot to do with exactly the type of work you do and the type of person you are if your happy enough to be paid from the neck down and bang out the work on a big site with just the foreman pushing you to get on with it. The lower end of the pay scale is prob justified by the lack of stress involved. On the other hand if your a working director of a one man band up to 3 or 4 employees working in the private domestic market dealing with all sorts then the 350e a day would just about make it worth
at the end if the day it's horses for courses.

trevdahead

http://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/news-media/Workplace_Relations_Notices/Minister_Pat_Breen_signs_Order_to_increase_pay_for_workers_in_the_construction_sector.html

the_pen_turner

trevdahead wrote: »

http://www.workplacerelations.ie/en/news-media/Workplace_Relations_Notices/Minister_Pat_Breen_signs_Order_to_increase_pay_for_workers_in_the_construction_sector.html

that's great.
I wish you could get that rate in reality.
it just wont happen.
that link says that carpenters by law have to be on 18.93€ /hour
that's as an employee.


I have a little excel workbook done that works out my day rate. it works it out so I'm getting a few days off , few sick days, bank holidays, days doing admin and training etc
using that value I would out that I need to charge myself out at 253€ a day and that's before tax.

trevdahead

the_pen_turner wrote: »

that's great.
I wish you could get that rate in reality.
it just wont happen.
that link says that carpenters by law have to be on 18.93€ /hour
that's as an employee.


I have a little excel workbook done that works out my day rate. it works it out so I'm getting a few days off , few sick days, bank holidays, days doing admin and training etc
using that value I would out that I need to charge myself out at 253€ a day and that's before tax.

Its a crazy rate but if this isnt payed to any of your employees or you get a visit from the WRC it will just be a savings scheme for your employees as the difference will have to be back payed.
Its a nightmare for any small business

the_pen_turner

and that's not including the cost of having that employee. it probably costs about the same again in prsi , exra insurance etc

no wonder everything is so expensive

Muttley79

Any updates on what sub contractors getting in todays climate?i know a few lads starting to charge between €25-€27 an hour for their carpentry services around the south east here