Gardai Raid

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:33am #1

Hi - I had the guards raid my house yesterday and had like 3 ounces of marijuana in one bag. But I took out my phone to send someone a msg and under pressure I gave them my phone unlocked and they had a long snoop. Asked for my pin to unlock it I felt like I could refuse - anyway they looked at everything. A lot of info on it to be honest. They put it in the evidence bag and took it away with everything but I've blocked the phone now whilst in their possession. Does anyone know can they use my phone as evidence in court considering the phone is dead/blocked. Also I spoke as they were doing the raid as I wanted to make work and maybe said some things I shouldn't of as regards names. But I wasn't under arrest so they can't use anything I said against me? Please help

13-10-2017 7:35am

Go talk to a solicitor

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:37am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Go talk to a solicitor

Have appointment ordered but with the stress of it all I want to know asap.

hawkelady · 13-10-2017 7:39am

I for one am delighted with your predicament .. if you have been in trouble before you should be rightly stressed. ðŸ˜

GhostyMcGhost · 13-10-2017 7:42am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Have appointment ordered but with the stress of it all I want to know asap.

What’s it all about, Alfie?

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:42am

hawkelady wrote: »

I for one am delighted with your predicament .. if you have been in trouble before you should be rightly stressed. ðŸ˜

Why are you delighted? Never in trouble before. seems like nobody knows if the can use the dead phone. Cuz it's my word against theirs basically. And I was totally conflustered at the time

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:43am

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

What’s it all about, Alfie?

What exactly you mean pal?

Stheno · 13-10-2017 7:44am

Alfie619 wrote: »

What exactly you mean pal?

Why did the guards raid your house?

HONKEY TONK · 13-10-2017 7:44am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Hi - I had the guards raid my house yesterday and had like 3 ounces of marijuana in one bag. But I took out my phone to send someone a msg and under pressure I gave them my phone unlocked and they had a long snoop. Asked for my pin to unlock it I felt like I could refuse - anyway they looked at everything. A lot of info on it to be honest. They put it in the evidence bag and took it away with everything but I've blocked the phone now whilst in their possession. Does anyone know can they use my phone as evidence in court considering the phone is dead/blocked. Also I spoke as they were doing the raid as I wanted to make work and maybe said some things I shouldn't of as regards names. But I wasn't under arrest so they can't use anything I said against me? Please help

So you got caught with 3 ounces of marijuana and they didn't arrest you.

I think you are telling Porky Pies

You would have been arrested for possession for the purpose of supply.

hawkelady · 13-10-2017 7:45am

I'm delighted because a drug dealer got busted. What's not to smile about

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:46am

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

So you got caught with 3 ounces of marijuana and they didn't arrest you.

I think you are telling Porky Pies

You would have been arrested for possession for the purpose of supply.

I wish I was dude. They took away all the stuff but allowed me to go work eventually and said they'll be in contact. I'm hiring a solicitor today - don't understand why I would bother lying here... ?

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:47am

hawkelady wrote: »

I'm delighted because a drug dealer got busted. What's not to smile about

No you dope - I smoke than over 2 months. Even the cops said it wasn't sale and supply. Like it was 2 ounces to be realistic.

Fighting Tao · 13-10-2017 7:49am

Guards don’t raid houses for the craic. It’s extremely rare they’d get it wrong. Something bigger going on and that’s propbably why the OP is terrified about his phone. Either that or he thinks there is someone in the attic....

begbysback · 13-10-2017 7:49am

hawkelady wrote: »

I'm delighted because a drug dealer got busted. What's not to smile about

Pablo Escobar is now off the streets - our children are safer.

enricoh · 13-10-2017 7:49am

U must have given them some good information and names to not arrest u with 3 ounces.
Go talk to a solicitor n get this thread deleted!

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:50am

Stheno wrote: »

Why did the guards raid your house?

For a drugs search.. warrant like? N then must removed all sorts of stuff. Phone, a little book with 4 names in it which looks bad but isn't related to it. The main thing is I wanna know if they can use a dead phone or anything I said - I was never arrested like. Mad ain't it

Beechwoodspark · 13-10-2017 7:50am

If they find evidence of dealing on it (texts I suppose) they could use it in court. When you say the phone is dead do you mean it is off and won't turn back on

Goat the dote · 13-10-2017 7:51am

Alfie619 wrote: »

No you dope - I smoke than over 2 months. Even the cops said it wasn't sale and supply. Like it was 2 ounces to be realistic.

In your OP you said it was 3 ounces?

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:51am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If they find evidence of dealing on it (texts I suppose) they could use it in court. When you say the phone is dead do you mean it is off and won't turn back on

I mean I contacted my provider n told them to shut it down as it wa stolen. Would surely be too much hassle to unblock it for a couple of ounces.

Beechwoodspark · 13-10-2017 7:52am

Alfie619 wrote: »

I mean I contacted my provider n told them to shut it down as it wa stolen. Would surely be too much hassle to unblock it for a couple of ounces.

If they have the PIN then they can turn on the phone, enter the pin then read any texts on it unless I am missing something

begbysback · 13-10-2017 7:53am

Alfie did you smoke an ounce while they were searching the house ?

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:54am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If they have the PIN then they can turn on the phone, enter the pin then read any texts on it unless I am missing something

My provider won't allow them as I've told them my phone was stolen and to shut it down so nobody can use it

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:54am

begbysback wrote: »

Alfie did you smoke an ounce while they were searching the house ?

I wish. Tbh it's between 2/3. Can't be exact like.

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:56am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Guards don’t raid houses for the craic. It’s extremely rare they’d get it wrong. Something bigger going on and that’s propbably why the OP is terrified about his phone. Either that or he thinks there is someone in the attic....

They obviously got a tip off and got a warrant like. I just wanna know can they use the phone in court even now it's blocked.

AryaStark · 13-10-2017 7:56am

Alfie619 wrote: »

I wish I was dude. They took away all the stuff but allowed me to go work eventually and said they'll be in contact. I'm hiring a solicitor today - don't understand why I would bother lying here... ?

I agree that you were lying..

That is a lot more then personal use.. I cannot imaging that you would be released and not arrested.
Did they read you your rights or anything before leaving?

I have nothing against anybody smoking weed but I do think if you are caught with that much the Garda would arrest you and not care about weather you make it to work.

Seth Brundle · 13-10-2017 7:57am

Alfie619 wrote: »

I mean I contacted my provider n told them to shut it down as it wa stolen. Would surely be too much hassle to unblock it for a couple of ounces.

Do you not need garda confirmation that it was stolen before they deactivate it?

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:58am

enricoh wrote: »

U must have given them some good information and names to not arrest u with 3 ounces.
Go talk to a solicitor n get this thread deleted!

Well my phone prob did but like they couldn't of saved any data as they were in my house. As soon as they left I went about getting the phone blocked.

Odelay · 13-10-2017 7:58am

Alfie619 wrote: »

They obviously got a tip off and got a warrant like. I just wanna know can they use the phone in court even now it's blocked.

Yes, they definatley can and will use the phone in court. They get blocked phones everyday but can unblock them no problem.

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:59am

AryaStark wrote: »

I agree that you were lying..

That is a lot more then personal use.. I cannot imaging that you would be released and not arrested.
Did they read you your rights or anything before leaving?

I have nothing against anybody smoking weed but I do think if you are caught with that much the Garda would arrest you and not care about weather you make it to work.

Hand on my heart I ain't. I've work today even like...

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 7:59am

kbannon wrote: »

Do you not need garda confirmation that it was stolen before they deactivate it?

No don't think ao

Odelay · 13-10-2017 8:00am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Have appointment ordered but with the stress of it all I want to know asap.

Why don't ya have a smoke to relieve the stress of it all?

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 8:00am

Odelay wrote: »

Yes, they definatley can and will use the phone in court. They get blocked phones everyday but can unblock them no problem.

Seriously???

Seth Brundle · 13-10-2017 8:02am

Alfie619 wrote: »

kbannon wrote: »

Do you not need garda confirmation that it was stolen before they deactivate it?

No don't think ao

After telling us that you went through the steps of having it blocked, you dont think so?
You're full of crap!

ezra_ · 13-10-2017 8:03am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Hi - I had the guards raid my house yesterday and had like 3 ounces of marijuana in one bag. But I took out my phone to send someone a msg and under pressure I gave them my phone unlocked and they had a long snoop. Asked for my pin to unlock it I felt like I could refuse - anyway they looked at everything. A lot of info on it to be honest. They put it in the evidence bag and took it away with everything but I've blocked the phone now whilst in their possession. Does anyone know can they use my phone as evidence in court considering the phone is dead/blocked. Also I spoke as they were doing the raid as I wanted to make work and maybe said some things I shouldn't of as regards names. But I wasn't under arrest so they can't use anything I said against me? Please help

If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.

If there is nothing on your phone that would interest the guards, then they'll have nothing to use in the court case and it will just be down to the possession.

Or is there something on the phone that you don't want them to see Alfie?

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 8:05am

ezra_ wrote: »

If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.

If there is nothing on your phone that would interest the guards, then they'll have nothing to use in the court case and it will just be down to the possession.

Or is there something on the phone that you don't want them to see Alfie?

Yes theirs loads on the phone like. I don't want them accessing it. They even said themselves it'll only be personal use. And like they would hardly unblock a phone for a guy with a couple of hours - bigger fish to catch like?

bloodless_coup · 13-10-2017 8:07am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Seriously???

How exactly did the provider "block" the phone? Cut off the account? remote wipe the phone? remote encrypt the phone?

Goat the dote · 13-10-2017 8:07am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Yes theirs loads on the phone like. I don't want them accessing it. They even said themselves it'll only be personal use. And like they would hardly unblock a phone for a guy with a couple of hours - bigger fish to catch like?

Maybe they can acces those bigger fish via your phone

Odelay · 13-10-2017 8:08am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Yes theirs loads on the phone like. I don't want them accessing it. They even said themselves it'll only be personal use. And like they would hardly unblock a phone for a guy with a couple of hours - bigger fish to catch like?

Maybe they are planning on turning you into a bigger fish.....

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 13-10-2017 8:08am

you're not going to get any useful info here, but people delighting at taking pops at ya

but i dunno why you're so worried about the phone as evidence, isn't the 3ounces of weed they took away evidence enough!

Alfie619 · 13-10-2017 8:08am

doylefe wrote: »

How exactly did the provider "block" the phone? Cut off the account? remote wipe the phone? remote encrypt the phone?

The phone is off and won't come back on. Just like if a person stole your phone you would ring your provider and put the phone out of use. Like they can even see my msgs or apps

ezra_ · 13-10-2017 8:09am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Yes theirs loads on the phone like. I don't want them accessing it. They even said themselves it'll only be personal use. And like they would hardly unblock a phone for a guy with a couple of hours - bigger fish to catch like?

I'm not a lawyer, etc etc

But their warrant lets them seize and review your possessions, by blocking the phone (assuming they can't unblock it), what you've done is a bit like handing them a locked box and not given them the key. The warrant gives them the power to break the lock and open the box.

So either they can access the phone (and I'm pretty sure that blocking a phone just stops the phone from making / receiving calls and running up any chargeable events, it doesn't 'wipe' the phone) or they can demand that you unlock it for them.

Given that a) you have a good bit of weed and b) you don't want people to access your phone, conclusions will flow quickly to c) you are dealing.

Strange that they didn't take you back with them then. Unless you struck a deal of course, and are trying to get your alibi out via the internet!

bloodless_coup · 13-10-2017 8:10am

Alfie619 wrote: »

The phone is off and won't come back on. Just like if a person stole your phone you would ring your provider and put the phone out of use. Like they can even see my msgs or apps

I've never heard of that. The sim provider I have would have no way of remote locking my phone.

Captain Obvious · 13-10-2017 8:14am

Talk about making a bad situation worse. Reporting your phone as stolen is probably the worst thing you could have done. They'll simply dump the memory contents of your phone and get the info anyway but now you have to wonder if they'll also charge you with obstruction for trying to destroy evidence. And if you try claim the phone on insurance it's fraud. And you've probably lost any kind of goodwill from them too.

Needs Must · 13-10-2017 8:17am

The phone is very important to the guards, from it they can see who you were buying/selling to. Provided there is text messages to show this.
Thats how they probably found out about you, from someone else's phone who they had in custody.
They can retrieve your messages, even if the phone is stunned plus they have your sim card.

hairyslug · 13-10-2017 8:19am

Unless you have something pre-loaded onto your phone to let you wipe it, then they have full access to your phone, bar making/receiving calls and texts.

Have a smoke and a coffee, it'll be grand.

Tina82 · 13-10-2017 8:19am

go to a solicitor ... cant imagine 2 / 3 ounces will be seen as personal use. surprised they didnt arrested you ... did you give them names of where you got it from ? if so you may have bigger problems than the guards !!

AryaStark · 13-10-2017 8:21am

Alfie619 wrote: »

Hand on my heart I ain't. I've work today even like...

Then as somebody else has said they most likely think that they can now use you and the information you can provide. I would be careful about threads like this where you are telling people that you have given the guards names and information... Wexford is a small town and when people get raided people usually know who it is.
If the wrong people think you are giving names and info to the police you may have bigger problems then you have now.

The Garda can use your phone. They will contact the provided to get it turned back on .. although I think that they have an app and device they plug the phone into to get by the phone being blocked and they can download information.

The Garda don't arrange an warrant to raid a house on a whim. They have to get the warrant signed and have to have suspicion that something is wrong. They won't raid a house because they think the house owner is smoking weed and has personal amounts on him. Its costs them money to raid a house and they need to make an arrest to show that it was a good decision.

Goat the dote · 13-10-2017 8:21am

Tina82 wrote: »

go to a solicitor ... cant imagine 2 / 3 ounces will be seen as personal use. surprised they didnt arrested you ... did you give them names of where you got it from ? if so you may have bigger problems than the guards !!

According to his OP he sang like a canary

ezra_ · 13-10-2017 8:23am

Tina82 wrote: »

go to a solicitor ... cant imagine 2 / 3 ounces will be seen as personal use. surprised they didnt arrested you ... did you give them names of where you got it from ? if so you may have bigger problems than the guards !!

ah, but now all who can google know that it wasn't Alfie who snitched, but rather the guards were able to 'hack' his phone

BrianBoru00 · 13-10-2017 8:26am

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

So you got caught with 3 ounces of marijuana and they didn't arrest you.

I think you are telling Porky Pies

You would have been arrested for possession for the purpose of supply.

Not true. Its at gardais discretion. Its quite likely that they intend to prosecute but don't believe the OP to be a flight risk. Its not really worth the paperwork to arrest him, process him at the station and then hold him for a period of time. This will be dealt with "in due course". Its not as if he was 40 Kg or a grow house.

OP will more than likely have a criminal record now . 3oz has a value of about €1500-1600 I d estimate so probably looking at sale or supply.

Sleeper12 · 13-10-2017 8:29am

I'd imagine there are some messages on the sim card itself.

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