Which car manufacturer to go with?

uncle_sam_ie

At the moment I have a 2001 Mitsubishi colt and it's on its last legs. I'm looking to change it with a 2017 new car. I don't want to have to deal with the NCT any more.

It will only be used to get me to work and back so, i'll need one of the economical models. Around the 12k to 16k price range.

Which car manufacturer should I go with? I'm guessing something Japanese.

Thanks

colm_mcm

Kia and Hyundai would do Japanese better than some of the Japanese brands these days

grogi

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

At the moment I have a 2001 Mitsubishi colt and it's on its last legs. I'm looking to change it with a 2017 new car. I don't want to have to deal with the NCT any more.

There is a lot between 16 year old and a brand new car... If you buy a 2-yo now, you will have only one NCT to deal with for next 4 years. And it probably will fly without anything...

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

It will only be used to get me to work and back so, i'll need one of the economical models. Around the 12k to 16k price range.

Which car manufacturer should I go with? I'm guessing something Japanese.

Thanks

If buying new, I would got for a Yaris Hybrid, with the scrappage deal (when they show up in November for registrations in 2018) you should be in the budget.

EndaHonesty

You can buy a new Dacia Sandero on PCP from €99 per month with €3317 deposit. APR 5%.

A service pack is available for an extra €15.25 per month.

So no extra costs like servicing & NCT for 3 years. Just PCP, fuel, insurance and motor tax. So maybe €200-€300 per month total.

The prices above are based on paying full price too, so some negotiation on your part could improve the deal...

https://www.dacia.ie/vehicles/dacia-range/new-sandero/latest-offers.html

grogi

EndaHonesty wrote: »

You can buy a new Dacia Sandero on PCP from €99 per month with €3317 deposit. APR 5%.

A service pack is available for an extra €15.25 per month.

Does this include tyres, brake pads, wipers and any other item not part of routine servicing (which is oil, oil filter and air filter)?!

EndaHonesty

grogi wrote: »

Does this include tyres, brake pads, wipers and any other item not part of routine servicing (which is oil, oil filter and air filter)?!

The OP implies that the car won't get much use so I don't think tyres, pads and wipers will be a significant cost...

uncle_sam_ie

Yea, I was thinking of going the PCP route. The Hyundai i10 has got my eye at the moment.

I was told by a mechanic years ago that Toyota's were the best cars. I don't know if this is still true today but, the AYGO has my eye as well. The Honda Jazz looks nice too but it's pricey. Would the Honda be a better built car then the rest?

uncle_sam_ie

EndaHonesty wrote: »

The OP implies that the car won't get much use so I don't think tyres, pads and wipers will be a significant cost...

I only put 7,000 miles on the Colt last year so, yeah It wont get that much use.

s15r330

EndaHonesty wrote: »

You can buy a new Dacia Sandero on PCP from €99 per month with €3317 deposit. APR 5%.

A service pack is available for an extra €15.25 per month.

So no extra costs like servicing & NCT for 3 years. Just PCP, fuel, insurance and motor tax. So maybe €200-€300 per month total.

The prices above are based on paying full price too, so some negotiation on your part could improve the deal...

https://www.dacia.ie/vehicles/dacia-range/new-sandero/latest-offers.html

I wouldn't take one if Dacia gave me a deposit of €3,317 and €99/month

EndaHonesty

s15r330 wrote: »

I wouldn't take one if Dacia gave me a deposit of €3,317 and €99/month

That post makes no sense... :rolleyes:

What kind of idiot would not take a free car and nearly €7,000?

s15r330

EndaHonesty wrote: »

That post makes no sense... :rolleyes:

What kind of idiot would not take a free car and nearly €7,000?

One that has a bit of self respect and knows a little about cars. I wouldn't be seen in one of those piles of scrap. But if they wanted to give me a free car and 7k i'd happily drive it into the nearest wall.

EndaHonesty

s15r330 wrote: »

One that has a bit of self respect and knows a little about cars. I wouldn't be seen in one of those piles of scrap. But if they wanted to give me a free car and 7k i'd happily drive it into the nearest wall.

That is quite some post.

An idiot with self respect who knows little about cars and would happily drive into a wall!?! :pac:

s15r330

EndaHonesty wrote: »

That is quite some post.

An idiot with self respect who knows little about cars and would happily drive into a wall!?! :pac:

The only idiot here is the one advocating the purchase of one of those piles of scutter

jcd5971

s15r330 wrote:

One that has a bit of self respect and knows a little about cars. I wouldn't be seen in one of those piles of scrap. But if they wanted to give me a free car and 7k i'd happily drive it into the nearest wall.

I get what he means, dacia are crap cars in every way, I honestly can't understand why people get them cheap PCP or whatever.

There's more to life than driving around in one of those junkers

chicorytip

jcd5971 wrote:

I get what he means, dacia are crap cars in every way, I honestly can't understand why people get them cheap PCP or whatever.

jcd5971 wrote:

There's more to life than driving around in one of those junkers

I wouldn't buy one either but I don't understand why you hold that point of view. The success of Dacia in the Irish market is surely down to more than attractive pricing so the quality of the product must be satisfactory enough to be able compete with other, more expensive brands.

s15r330

chicorytip wrote: »

I wouldn't buy one either but I don't understand why you hold that point of view. The success of Dacia in the Irish market is surely down to more than attractive pricing so the quality of the product must be satisfactory enough to be able compete with other, more expensive brands.

I don't agree. As far as I can see their success is down to a following of people who want to keep up with the Jones by having a 172 on their number plate for as little as possible.
These people wouldn't know a decent car if it ran over them.

jca

chicorytip wrote: »

I wouldn't buy one either but I don't understand why you hold that point of view. The success of Dacia in the Irish market is surely down to more than attractive pricing so the quality of the product must be satisfactory enough to be able compete with other, more expensive brands.

Nope its just price and number plate, they're dreadful vehicles. The interior is like a lada from the 80s.

micks_address

Some real Dacia love there. I don't see an issue with them if you need a car and do low mileage and are happy with the you get what you pay for ratio. Apart from looks and some reports I've seen of rust on earlier models are they causing major headaches to owner's? A friend's elderly father just bought a sandero stepway and has had to wait three months for it. Resale values are actually quite solid as there's strong demand for them. You are getting last seasons Renault drivetrain with less specification and less frills.. hard to argue with the price point though. Sure a 35k car will be nicer...

micks_address

jca wrote: »

Nope its just price and number plate, they're dreadful vehicles. The interior is like a lada from the 80s.

I'd say more skoda from late 90s is a fairer comparison

EndaHonesty

chicorytip wrote: »

I wouldn't buy one either but I don't understand why you hold that point of view. The success of Dacia in the Irish market is surely down to more than attractive pricing so the quality of the product must be satisfactory enough to be able compete with other, more expensive brands.

The lads with these "opinions" are Clarkson wannabes who think that calling certain cars "muck", "scrap", "junkers" etc. makes them look knowledgeable. :rolleyes:

The fact is it makes them look quite the opposite.

There's no point in trying to engage with them...

jca

EndaHonesty wrote: »

The lads with these "opinions" are Clarkson wannabes who think that calling certain cars "muck", "scrap", "junkers" etc. makes them look knowledgeable. :rolleyes:

The fact is it makes them look quite the opposite.

There's no point in trying to engage with them...

Theyre horrible horrible cars they have no endearing qualities whatsoever.

jca

micks_address wrote: »

I'd say more skoda from late 90s is a fairer comparison

Ha ha, Yea, the lovely Felicia with the most confusing dash layout ever made springs to mind.

EndaHonesty

jca wrote: »

Theyre horrible horrible cars they have no endearing qualities whatsoever.

:rolleyes:

jca

EndaHonesty wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Exactly. I actually considered buying one, the salesmen was reluctant to give me a decent test drive but I'm glad I stuck to my guns and brought it on a back road. He was pressurising me into buying a diesel but I wanted a petrol... a dead gutless yoke with the ride quality of a Fordson Major. Thanks but no thanks.

AMKC

A Renault Twingo is a nice little car and you get a 5 year warranty with Renault. If I were you do I would be looking for a car in the Clio/Fiesta class of cars. You could get a great deal now buying a Fiesta as there is a new model just out but that last model is still a lovely car and nice to drive. Might not be brand new might b e nearly new but should get a good price and deal on them.
There is nothing wrong with a Dacia if all you want is a basic car with a proven reliable drivetrain and don't care about having the latest tech or design.

EndaHonesty

jca wrote: »

Exactly. I actually considered buying one, the salesmen was reluctant to give me a decent test drive but I'm glad I stuck to my guns and brought it on a back road. He was pressurising me into buying a diesel but I wanted a petrol... a dead gutless yoke with the ride quality of a Fordson Major. Thanks but no thanks.

What you buy instead? GT86? GTI? Ford GT?

DaveyDave

Your 12-16k budget, what do you want to spend? If you can spend 16k you could get a new Polo. Basic spec but still a nice car. Same with the Yaris. I'd take them over an i10 or Aygo personally.

jcd5971 wrote: »

I get what he
means, dacia are crap cars in every way, I honestly can't understand why people get them cheap PCP or whatever.

There's more to life than driving around in one of those junkers

The problem is having to pay for one of those things for 3 years. It's almost not worth spending so little for that amount of time.

I was shocked when getting into a Duster once that the door had absolutely no weight on it even had a cheap clunk when closing it, might as well be a beat up 99 Polo without door panels. People I know who have driven them have had bad things to say about them.

jca

EndaHonesty wrote: »

What you buy instead? GT86? GTI? Ford GT?

Honda 50 with the optional aircon.

grogi

EndaHonesty wrote: »

What you buy instead? GT86? GTI? Ford GT?

Fiesta or Ibiza are light years ahead...

grogi

DaveyDave wrote: »

I was shocked when getting into a Duster once that the door had absolutely no weight on it even had a cheap clunk when closing it, might as well be a beat up 99 Polo without door panels. People I know who have driven them have had bad things to say about them.

I wouldn't mind when buying a simple work house. But its simplicity should reflect in its reliability - the less elements to break, the more infrequent repairs should be. That's not the case with Dacia though...

AMKC

DaveyDave wrote: »

Your 12-16k budget, what do you want to spend? If you can spend 16k you could get a new Polo. Basic spec but still a nice car. Same with the Yaris. I'd take them over an i10 or Aygo personally.



The problem is having to pay for one of those things for 3 years. It's almost not worth spending so little for that amount of time.

I was shocked when getting into a Duster once that the door had absolutely no weight on it even had a cheap clunk when closing it, might as well be a beat up 99 Polo without door panels. People I know who have driven them have had bad things to say about them.

If you can spend 16k you could get a new Polo. Basic spec but still a nice car.

There is new Polo on the way so should be some good deals on them too but if he the OP does not like the Polo thee is also the Seat Ibiza and the Skoda Fabia as well both good car the Ibiza being the newest of them 3 for the moment until the new Polo come out.

EndaHonesty

grogi wrote: »

Fiesta or Ibiza are light years ahead...

Not just years ahead but LIGHT years ahead?! :rolleyes:

grogi

EndaHonesty wrote: »

Not just years ahead but LIGHT years ahead?! :rolleyes:

Yes. You can be kilometers ahead, so light years ahead too.

JohnBoy26

EndaHonesty wrote: »

Not even years ahead but LIGHT years ahead?! :rolleyes:

They are though. If you sit in and drove all three cars you will see this. Even just looking at them on the outside it can be seen.

I don't know why you are getting so upset over other posters difference of opinion on a bargain basement dacia.

Toyotafanboi

grogi wrote: »

I wouldn't mind when buying a simple work house. But its simplicity should reflect in its reliability - the less elements to break, the more infrequent repairs should be. That's not the case with Dacia though...

Except that it does. The modern Dacia fleet are by and large very reliable cars.

EPAndlee

The Sandaro is a simple car. If you only want a car that goes from point A to point B then save some money on buying one over a more stylish hatchback. Older people love them because they are simple and easy to use. They don't want touch screen radios and electronics. They give very little trouble tho. If James May approves then that should be good enough for anyone

You've a lot of choice with Clio,Polo,Rio,Corsa,Fiesta, Micra or the Volkswagen UP or even Suzuki Ignis. I'd spend a few days test driving the different choices and weigh up the cost

JohnBoy26

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Except that it does. The modern Dacia fleet are by and large very reliable cars.

Ya but they have poor enough fit and finish though. Rust is a problem too on some of them.

NewApproach

OP have you considered a petrol BMW? Should be able to pick up a 2014 3 series within your budget.

Toyotafanboi

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Ya but they have poor enough fit and finish though. Rust is a problem too on some of them.

Fit and finish isn't amazing but you don't expect it in a budget product.

The question was reliability, poor fit and finish won't make it unreliable and rust won't stop it from starting.

As a disposable item, buy, drive for 5 years or whatever and bin, they are reliable.

EPAndlee

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Ya but they have poor enough fit and finish though. Rust is a problem too on some of them.

Rust is only a problem with 2013/14 Dusters. Have never seen any Dacia after 2015 to rust. Speaking to some Ford dealers, a lot of new Fords have their body panels relined in the garage because the factory panel gap is so bad. Some of the new Toyotas are the same. Only have to see how much trouble modern diesel Toyotas give

Leonard Hofstadter

NewApproach wrote: »

OP have you considered a petrol BMW? Should be able to pick up a 2014 3 series within your budget.

The OP wants something that won't go wrong and won't cost a lot to run, BMWs excel at doing the exact opposite. I wouldn't recommend one to the OP if you paid me, and I have one!

Most of the modern superminis are not going to go wrong or cost a lot to run, look at the likes of the Fiesta, Yaris or anything Korean if reliability is top of the wish list.

chicorytip

uncle_sam_ie wrote:

It will only be used to get me to work and back so, i'll need one of the economical models. Around the 12k to 16k price range.

Your budget may be a little bit low to enable you to purchase a brand new car. The big car hire companies like Hertz and Avis also have ex-rental stock for sale. You could get a low mileage Polo, Fiesta, Corsa or similar for less than you would pay at a main dealership.

jimmycrackcorm

OP, go electric and buy a second hand Nissan Leaf. As your mileage is low and presuming your commute is short as a result, you won't get better reliability and economy.

xlogo

Honda - gave a look at the Jazz hybrid or similar.

Leonard Hofstadter

xlogo wrote: »

Honda - gave a look at the Jazz hybrid or similar.

Very unlikely to be within the OP's budget unless he/she is willing to look at second hand cars.

xlogo

captainspeed wrote:

Very unlikely to be within the OP's budget unless he/she is willing to look at second hand cars.

True-but wouldn't have to drop many years

grogi

xlogo wrote: »

True-but wouldn't have to drop many years

One can always drop just a year or two and buy something bigger and more comfortable... That's not what OP asked about.

grogi

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Except that it does. The modern Dacia fleet are by and large very reliable cars.

My own experience are completely different. Granted, very small sample - but enough to keep me off for years.


TUV reports are not really optimistic...

http://www.anusedcar.com/index.php/tuv-model/dacia-duster
http://www.anusedcar.com/index.php/tuv-model/dacia-logan
http://www.anusedcar.com/index.php/tuv-model/dacia-sandero

Dekra reports (http://www.used-car-report.com) are not really optimistic either - only Sandero is rated so/so, the rest is either bad or very bad.

jcd5971

look not knocking someone who genuinely has to get a car like this due to budget, and im no car snob either, but dacia are the discount lidl and aldi of cars, they are poorly built, poorly specced, not as safe in a crash etc. its a way to go if youve no choice.

also your clarkson meme while ott he kinda had a point on this one issue, you will never ever like any car ever again as much as when your buying it, if your not happy there and then it will get worse.

op Personally speaking id look at a good second hand petrol a few years old your budget is fairly good to get good cars only a few years old.
i'm saying petrol as your doing low mileage and low mileage is not great for a diesel engine.

good luck anyway

micks_address

jcd5971 wrote: »

look not knocking someone who genuinely has to get a car like this due to budget, and im no car snob either, but dacia are the discount lidl and aldi of cars, they are poorly built, poorly specced, not as safe in a crash etc. its a way to go if youve no choice.

also your clarkson meme while ott he kinda had a point on this one issue, you will never ever like any car ever again as much as when your buying it, if your not happy there and then it will get worse.

op Personally speaking id look at a good second hand petrol a few years old your budget is fairly good to get good cars only a few years old.
i'm saying petrol as your doing low mileage and low mileage is not great for a diesel engine.

good luck anyway

The loin of pork from lidl is class... I'm not on commission for Dacia... Reminds me of a story a friend told me of when lidl first arrived in Ireland and his upper class neighbours shopped there but would only use marks and Spencer's bags for packing

MugMugs

EPAndlee wrote: »

Rust is only a problem with 2013/14 Dusters. Have never seen any Dacia after 2015 to rust. Speaking to some Ford dealers, a lot of new Fords have their body panels relined in the garage because the factory panel gap is so bad. Some of the new Toyotas are the same. Only have to see how much trouble modern diesel Toyotas give

The fact that in 2017 we're talking about rust on any car is just mind blowing.