Shaky A380 crosswind landing

plodder

Just saw this on the Indo website. I wouldn't have fancied sitting in one of the back rows during this landing.

1123heavy

Emirates have had a couple of incidences, the most recent before Dusseldorf was Moscow ... 400ft AGL 8nm out

Management have responded by getting the cane out:

Starting 2018 biannual LOE sims will come into effect in addition to the recurrent sims. These will be full jeopardy sims coupled with manual handling, any scores below three will be addressed through one attempt at retraining whereby an expected result is to be achieved. Adequate performances can no longer be tolerated by Emirates and we will send that message no matter how harsh it sounds. Based on fleet planning we can afford a 10% reduction in the pilot workforce through to 2021. The emphasis will be on the commanders performance and management of the given scenarios (LOE) as well as basic flying skills and handling (Manual handling). Again we cannot and will not accept mediocrity anymore amongst the pilot work force in Emirates.

The beatings shall continue until morale improves

About the video itself, one does feel for the FO who's landing it was considering he was doing his upgrade training, training that is now over for him.

Growler!!!

Was that letter from "management" not proved to be a fake? As confirmed by the RTGS instructors? Jasus some lads will believe anything.

1123heavy

Growler!!! wrote: »

Was that letter from "management" not proved to be a fake? As confirmed by the RTGS instructors? Jasus some lads will believe anything.

I can confirm for definite that something was sent to crews from management stating they can afford to lose 10% of their pilot workforce and they will be coming down heavy

adam88

Was this a case of the flight crew over compensating for the winds. I'm not too minded in these things and all I know is from you tube cross wind videos. I.e. You fly nose into the wind. Just before toichdown you try to straighten your nose in line with the centre line and ground the aircraft assertively

Brennus335

1123heavy wrote: »

I can confirm for definite that something was sent to crews from management stating they can afford to lose 10% of their pilot workforce and they will be coming down heavy

There was an email sent to instructors about new procedures, but it wasn't anything like that posted above.
No one I know in Emirates has received anything along the lines of that previous post.

Storm 10

I'm no expert so perhaps someone here can tell me, looking at the video the problem on landing seemed to me to be caused by the direction of the rudder on touch down which caused the aircraft to turn in the opposite direction and then he had to keep turning it until it straightened out.

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Looks like the pilot flying over controlled it on touchdown. Too much rudder input initially then opposite rudder to correct the error.
Ironically, the initial flare was fine. He just made a haimes of it afterwards.

Growler!!!

1123heavy wrote: »

Growler!!! wrote: »

Was that letter from "management" not proved to be a fake? As confirmed by the RTGS instructors? Jasus some lads will believe anything.

I can confirm for definite that something was sent to crews from management stating they can afford to lose 10% of their pilot workforce and they will be coming down heavy

No such email was received by crew! There's lots of rubbish sent on the various pilot body Whatsapp and Facebook groups, they're normally good for a laugh and it isn't first "management" email sent around this way.

What you quoted in the text above is the normal grading system as it has stood since it was introduced a few years back. Training is graded from 1 to 5. A grade of 2 or below means the pilot in question is taken off the line until a meeting is arranged with the Training department. A further retraining sim is rostered and if a significant improvement is not observed then the pilot will not be returned to the line.

This has been the procedure for inadequate performance in any airline I've worked for. This is line flying, not a flight training school.

EK have already reduced the time in the biannual sim sessions to maximise the sim usage in a 24 hour period. There isn't enough free sim time available to introduce another set of biannual sims.

As for affording to lose 10% of flight crew. Management only have to look at the queue for the End of Service desk in EGHQ to see how many are in the process of leaving.

plodder

Not that I actually know anything either, but I wonder if he might have got away with it, had he kept the rear wheels on the ground. It was after the little "bounce" that the rear really started swinging. But, he was really hammering the rudder from quite a bit out. You'd think such violent inputs wouldn't be a great sign.

1123heavy

from the inside ... nearly ended in the grass

duskyjoe

Wow, they nearly entered the local ploughing championships. Notice hard rudder input at around 150ft above touchdown.....major no no as per Mr Airbus. Way over controlling as the aircraft transitioned into direct law on touchdown....that was a close as it gets re loosing runway directional control. Major laundry bill.

Dardania

Looks like Airbus at least learned from this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587#Findings

1123heavy

Dardania wrote: »

Looks like Airbus at least learned from this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587#Findings

perhaps, but how far do we go until we accept pilots have to bare some of the responsibility? I'm sure an investigation is well underway but I'd genuinely like to know what the story was behind those extremely violent rudder movements

adam88

Don't really know what other way to put this but would the pilots have gotten away with this if an eager planespotter wasn't filming this??????

is there a system for self reporting. I presume there is given how safety conscious that industry is.

Growler!!!

adam88 wrote: »

Don't really know what other way to put this but would the pilots have gotten away with this if an eager planespotter wasn't filming this??????

is there a system for self reporting. I presume there is given how safety conscious that industry is.

By all accounts it was classed as a "Hard Landing" and would be a mandatory safety report!!!!!! Mr Heavy above mention the lad was on his command upgrade so would have had a trainer beside him. The trainer is bound by the scoring system I mentioned above to write a report on the landing!!!!!!

Also the Flight Data Monitoring system would have alerted engineering to the "hard landing". You may not think a landing you did was a hard landing and think you can get away with it but engineering will receive an email from Dxb about a landing above set values!!!!!!

Of course if it hadn't been caught on video and gone viral, then we wouldn't know about it.