Parthenaise cattle.

CloughCasey1

Grueller wrote: »

Never too young sure didn't we all start at 15 with harp and twenty Carroll's. Sure look where it got us.

Flaggins and naggins out back of the sports hall. 5 litre bottels of scrumpy jacks. Before Buckfast for breakfast became popular.

Who2

Grueller wrote: »

Never too young sure didn't we all start at 15 with harp and twenty Carroll's. Sure look where it got us.

I could never smoke carrolls, whatever it was about them. Always benson here with a short stint on Marlboro red. The harp was great stuff, but could turn the quietest of a man angry.

Who2

Now back to cattle nice bums in all shades of color. Or charolais

squinn2912

Have to say I love the parthenaise cattle. I'd have them over the blue cow any day. We've had blue cows for years and I think they're a ball of trouble. Never had one go longer than 3-4 calves. No good. It's early days so far for us with parthenaise but crossed with the lim bull they produce a hell of a calf for weaning, forward store or finisher sales. Bull calves haven't impressed me as much - they don't weigh as well compared with lim and that's AI vrs our stock bull on similar heifers/cows. 
I do agree the char makes a great cross with whiteheads. I wouldn't get a parthenaise bull but very impressed with the heifers. Great, milky and muscle bound breeders. They have a good open pelvic area enabling them to calve with minimal fuss.
As mentioned above they are a relatively new breed so I'd be reluctant to go too far down that route. My idea is to serve more of our first time heifers with parthenaise and compare that with the lim stock bull and AI lim

Farmer Dan

What attracted me to them was & I don't know if any of ye saw them at the ploughing but they had 2 crossbred heifers in the stand with part x calves. One was a shorthorn x heifer & her calf looked good, nice shape etc. Do many here have a parthneaise bull with there sucklers?

Hard Knocks

Would they be best crossed on taller cows to give a muscle & maternal injection?

squinn2912

Plenty of muscle as they are but a bit more frame and power is a good idea

bogman_bass

I have to say they are great cattle. Sold one 2 months ago as a year and a half bullock for 1460 in Delvin.

Take. A limo and make them more muscled and lighter boned and you have a parthenaise essentially.

Try a few AI straws and see how you get on

patsy_mccabe

bogman_bass wrote: »

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Try a few AI straws and see how you get on

Which AI company would you recommend?

bogman_bass

My experience is with PG bulls but as somebody that is now full time farming i suppose I have time to explore all of them.

If you have a mature cow to experiment on and you want a flashy animal give ZGH a go

Farmer Dan

bogman_bass wrote: »

My experience is with PG bulls but as somebody that is now full time farming i suppose I have time to explore all of them.

If you have a mature cow to experiment on and you want a flashy animal give ZGH a go

Bogman, do you use part bulls much? On what type of cows do you get the best results. Thanks

Tyson Lannister

The 2nd pic here is a part heifer calf off a BWH.

I sold the heifer as not in calf (bought her at three weeks old) and had to take her back when she started to spring down. She calved at 22 months - the smallest calf I have ever seen. She got caught by one of my pedigree part bull weanlings.

1st pic is part off ch cow pictured. The cows mother was an AA bucket fed calf I bought.

I am a big fan of part cattle, use all part straws now and trying to build up
a few pedigrees.

bogman_bass

Farmer Dan wrote: »

bogman_bass wrote: »

My experience is with PG bulls but as somebody that is now full time farming i suppose I have time to explore all of them.

If you have a mature cow to experiment on and you want a flashy animal give ZGH a go

Bogman, do you use part bulls much? On what type of cows do you get the best results. Thanks

I use a fair bit of them. I've used them on BBxFR cows and had animals fit for showing but I've had some hard calvings from that cross too.
Limos out of those cows seem to be the perfect dam for them.

Out of HEx stock I had great growthy animals that have finished well.

Like anything it depends on the market you're chasing

croot

Ive used BZB and ZGH the last few years. I've 3 BZB cows at the moment. I'd love more of them but I got a good few bulls. They sell well probably the same as lims. I will use at least 5 or 6 again this year hopefully.

The cows are good mothers that have calved on their own so far and seem to have milk. Here is a 5 year old BZB cow that calved a month ago with her ZAG calf. Its her fourth calf and she calved first at 23 months and has a CI of 349 days. If I could clone her I would.



This is a newer one of the calf and shows the type of muscle that the parthenaise cow brings. She is a month old now.




This is a ZGH bull from last year. He was from a AA cow.




The problem can be colouring. Here are ZGH twins from a white charloais cow.

Heifer twin


Bull twin

RobinBanks

croot wrote: »

Ive used BZB and ZGH the last few years. I've 3 BZB cows at the moment. I'd love more of them but I got a good few bulls. They sell well probably the same as lims. I will use at least 5 or 6 again this year hopefully.

The cows are good mothers that have calved on their own so far and seem to have milk. Here is a 5 year old BZB cow that calved a month ago with her ZAG calf. Its her fourth calf and she calved first at 23 months and has a CI of 349 days. If I could clone her I would.

Nice stock there croot! How do you find the temperament of BZB. I have a lovely maiden heifer kept for breeding but she is a nervous wreck. Hope she settles a bit because she is to good to let go

squinn2912

See what you mean about the colour and that is true. While with the Lim or Ch you are limited to a few colors which all should work ok for any market the parth can throw up that tiger look and I'm not sure I like it. Seems to be the case with dairy type dams or angus. I'd think it would be fine for finishing but possibly not so much for weanling or store sales. 
That's why I'd be against buying a bull but think they're a cracking breed for replacements to bring in a bit of muscle and milk when crossed back with ch or lim.
Have any of you tried them on Sim cows? Be interesting to see what type of calves they produce.

croot

RobinBanks wrote: »

Nice stock there croot! How do you find the temperament of BZB. I have a lovely maiden heifer kept for breeding but she is a nervous wreck. Hope she settles a bit because she is to good to let go

The three I kept are from really quiet cows but were lively when younger alright. They are fine now. I sold three other lovely BZB heifers that were a bit mad. ZGH calves are pets.

croot

squinn2912 wrote: »

See what you mean about the colour and that is true. While with the Lim or Ch you are limited to a few colors which all should work ok for any market the parth can throw up that tiger look and I'm not sure I like it. Seems to be the case with dairy type dams or angus. I'd think it would be fine for finishing but possibly not so much for weanling or store sales. 
That's why I'd be against buying a bull but think they're a cracking breed for replacements to bring in a bit of muscle and milk when crossed back with ch or lim.
Have any of you tried them on Sim cows? Be interesting to see what type of calves they produce.

Any one I had on an AA came black.

I like them as cows anyway. I’ve tried fiston on another BZB calving in February but thats the first charlaois I’ve tried on them. AI man said they are really roomy so hopefully no calving problems.

I’m down to only two sim cows and both of them are always AI’d to charlois so I don’t know what color you’d get.

squinn2912

Yep I'd agree with him on that. We have two both calve unaided to bulls that some of the lim cows have their fill of it with. Hmm be interesting to see. Just have the two sim cows ourselves and would be more likely to try the party on a maiden heifer.

welton john

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IMG_20170923_170850.jpg Sorry about the picture quality , a zgh bull at 6 1/2months, most cows here are charlaois and lim from dairy herd and find the part great to put a bit of quality into the calves, have some pt heifers from this cross and hope they make ideal replacements

squinn2912

Not a thing wrong with those cattle! I'll try to get a couple of photos of our ones with PT breeding later on today. Giving heavy rain so it could be more a case of lash out meal and run back for the tractor!

squinn2912

Not sure what the quality of the picture is going to be like for you it's coming out massive on my comp but here's a pic of a lim x pt heifer's calf. She got bulled young on us and he ended up a side door job. She calved at maybe 450 kgs at 18/19 months but produced by far our best calf last year. He's around 14 months now. She is only around 520 kgs or so now but calved on her own. Really good calf but not quite as flashy yet anyhow, he's only a week or so.

squinn2912

There were a half a dozen in our local mart yesterday. Fella beside me asked me did I know who had as many jerseys! Weren't bad cattle, bad prices. Would make me have a bit of a rethink. Keeping heifers as replacements and finishing bullocks might be best boys in Mart don't like them. Sims bad trade too

pure breed

Have been trying to get a couple Parthenaise heifers via the AI this year and last year. Ended up with 2 bulls last year and 2 Bulls this Autumn as well.:(
Ive pics below of this years 2 Bulls outta CH cows. Sired by ZGH 'Gonzo'
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Hard Knocks

pure breed wrote: »

Have been trying to get a couple Parthenaise heifers via the AI this year and last year. Ended up with 2 bulls last year and 2 Bulls this Autumn as well.:(
Ive pics below of this years 2 Bulls outta CH cows. Sired by ZGH 'Gonzo'
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Nice outfit all the same.
Those yellow CH are great cows, good colour there too

pure breed

Hard Knocks wrote:

Nice outfit all the same. Those yellow CH are great cows, good colour there too

Unfortunately the calves don't keep that colour, the PT Bull off same cow last year turned a brown/black colour(like Gonzo himself) after few months.

squinn2912

They seem to work alright with the continental type cow but I'm now wary of crossing with anything black

Limestone Cowboy

Was 2 nice fawn coloured heifers in local Mart tonight, 320kg e820. If I wasn't locked up I would have had a stab at them. Looked really nice stock and I wouldn't have thought them dear at that.

squinn2912

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Was 2 nice fawn coloured heifers in local Mart tonight, 320kg e820. If I wasn't locked up I would have had a stab at them. Looked really nice stock and I wouldn't have thought them dear at that.

That's my point. I don't think you get their value selling. Better colour from continental cows anything else I think I'd finish. Not a big fan of the bull calves I think Lim has much more growth potential. I like heifer replacements but Lim would do that job just as well.

squinn2912

Took a wee picture of that lady and this year's cub. He's about a month old now and I think he's gonna be a belter. Love these cattle as replacements anyhow.