red water

jd06

Just let cows and calves up to a red water area, I used bayticol on the cows and let them up ,
I dint do the calves and I was wondering would the calves he OK some are over 6 months.
Is there much of it around thus year or is it coming to the end of tic season

tanko

jd06 wrote: »

Just let cows and calves up to a red water area, I used bayticol on the cows and let them up ,
I dint do the calves and I was wondering would the calves he OK some are over 6 months.
Is there much of it around thus year or is it coming to the end of tic season

Heard there was plenty of it about earlier in the summer, maybe this crap weather would reduce the chances of it but i wouldnt bet on that.
Didnt one of the vets on here say that they treated a cow for redwater on christmas day once.
Did you put the bayticol on at least a week before you moved them.
Calves which are born onto redwater prone ground get immunity to it when young, moving 6+ month calves there without bayticol could be risky, would they not be too old to get immunity to it.

The man in red and black

After 6 months it would still be unusual. They usually are resistant to infection passed the 6 month mark but you could hit very bad luck. Most important thing is to expose them to ticks in the first year(Ideally <6 months) so that they then are immune the following year when exposed the second time. Should be getting out of redwater season in most areas but weather is very unusual and redwater is very region specific so better to discuss with your local vet.

jd06

tanko wrote:

Heard there was plenty of it about earlier in the summer, maybe this crap weather would reduce the chances of it but i wouldnt bet on that. Didnt one of the vets on here say that they treated a cow for redwater on christmas day once. Did you put the bayticol on at least a week before you moved them. Calves which are born onto redwater prone ground get immunity to it when young, moving 6+ month calves there without bayticol could be risky, would they not be too old to get immunity to it.

I asked the vet, he said do the pouron and let them in the next day which I was asnt sure about but I did it anyway as grass was tight.
I'll keep an eye out 2 to 3 weeks after that date, I'm hoping the calves will be ok

tanko

jd06 wrote: »

tanko wrote:

Heard there was plenty of it about earlier in the summer, maybe this crap weather would reduce the chances of it but i wouldnt bet on that. Didnt one of the vets on here say that they treated a cow for redwater on christmas day once. Did you put the bayticol on at least a week before you moved them. Calves which are born onto redwater prone ground get immunity to it when young, moving 6+ month calves there without bayticol could be risky, would they not be too old to get immunity to it.

I asked the vet, he said do the pouron and let them in the next day which I was asnt sure about but I did it anyway as grass was tight.
I'll keep an eye out 2 to 3 weeks after that date, I'm hoping the calves will be ok

Fair enough, ive an outfarm with rough ground and very prone to redwater. At the moment all cattle on it were born there or there from a week old.
But if i brought an animal from the home place to it and forgot about the bayticol every six weeks its almost certain that theyd get redwater.
Bayticol is expensive but cant be done without on ground like that.

jd06

jd06 wrote:

Just let cows and calves up to a red water area, I used bayticol on the cows and let them up , I dint do the calves and I was wondering would the calves he OK some are over 6 months. Is there much of it around thus year or is it coming to the end of tic season

Just had the cows in tonight and noticed 1 with red water, I'm raging cos I did them with bayticol 4 weeks ago. Any remidies to get her back going .I gave her imizol tonight and alymison. She's OK but not chewing her cud.
Is there anything else I could do . thanks

The man in red and black

jd06 wrote: »

Just had the cows in tonight and noticed 1 with red water, I'm raging cos I did them with bayticol 4 weeks ago. Any remidies to get her back going .I gave her imizol tonight and alymison. She's OK but not chewing her cud.
Is there anything else I could do . thanks

God that's unlucky this late in the year! If she's sick with it and not eating vet visit a good idea. She might need a transfusion if she's bad enough. Redwater cases can be very unpredictable at times. Best of luck!

tanko

I would always get a vet out to a redwater case. The cow can lose a lot of blood and become dehydrated, those stomach pumps the vets have are very handy for getting fluids into the cow.
If you have caught it early, imizol and tlc usually does the trick but if she has lost a lot of blood a transfusion may be needed.

sonnybill

jd06 wrote: »

Just had the cows in tonight and noticed 1 with red water, I'm raging cos I did them with bayticol 4 weeks ago. Any remidies to get her back going .I gave her imizol tonight and alymison. She's OK but not chewing her cud.
Is there anything else I could do . thanks

I gave my one the imizol like you've done but I also filled her with Guinness, treacle .. 6 eggs! Threw it all into her, plenty of water even

jd06

sonnybill wrote:

I gave my one the imizol like you've done but I also filled her with Guinness, treacle .. 6 eggs! Threw it all into her, plenty of water even

That's good I wonder would they lose the calf if they weren't too badly affected

sonnybill

jd06 wrote: »

That's good I wonder would they lose the calf if they weren't too badly affected

I never heard of them losing a calf because of it or imizol but my guess would be how quick it was caught /treated a bad case left untreated may throw the pregnancy as body trys to survive .

Lady Haywire

We had one lose the calf with it but she was murrained for 10 days. Is she eating jd or just not cudding? I'd not be overly worrying myself if she is.

jd06

Lady Haywire wrote:

We had one lose the calf with it but she was murrained for 10 days. Is she eating jd or just not cudding? I'd not be overly worrying myself if she is.

Hi Lady, she's eating nuts and silage this morning so hopefully I caught her in time
I put bayticol on them yesterday as I have to let them up on that ground again so fingers crossed no more if them will get it.

tanko

Thats good, getting it early makes all the difference. Had a cow here on the outfarm a few years ago that got it. I was a bit slow spotting it, she was staggering as she walked into the crush for a blood transfusion. Thankfully she recovered fully.
Despite what your vet says i would give the at risk cattle the bayticol a week or two before putting them onto that ground in future.
And my vet always told me that using bayticol although a very good product isnt a 100% guarantee of no redwater either.

jd06

Hi all, my cow is still eating away and seems in good form
But she's still p*****ng red although not as dark red as it was .
2 days on should she be clear?

tanko

jd06 wrote: »

Hi all, my cow is still eating away and seems in good form
But she's still p*****ng red although not as dark red as it was .
2 days on should she be clear?

Cant remember how long it took for the pee to go clear with mine.
Is she chewing her cud? Have a heifer here that got brown snout a couple of weeks ago, she was eating but not chewing her cud, had to get a vet to pump stuff into her stomach to get it going, she started chewing her cud later that day.
Might be best to consult your vet.

patsy_mccabe

Guys is it too early in the year for Redwater? Noticed a cow gone very thin today. Checked her twice and tried to get her to pass water, but no good. She is grazing away but just doesn't look right.

tanko

It can happen any time of the year, is she a bought in cow?

patsy_mccabe

tanko wrote: »

It can happen any time of the year, is she a bought in cow?

Have her only a year. She's 7 years old.

tanko

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Have her only a year. She's 7 years old.

Its always a risk with bought in cattle even a year or two after theyre bought.
Always better to get it early but unless you see her pass water you wont know for sure. Has she a temperature?

dryan

tanko wrote: »

It can happen any time of the year, is she a bought in cow?

First one of the year today. 18 month old bullock. Got him early. Was chewing the cud. When I hunted him up, he watered and there it was.

patsy_mccabe

Checked her there again and didn't like the look of her. Couldn't get her to pass water. Rang vet and he was doing transfusion on another when I rang. Anyway vet on the way.

tanko

Good call, better safe than sorry.

lab man

Pm sent patsy

patsy_mccabe

No redwater. Vet thought she might be getting over it. Thought she was slightly anaemic. Very scoury though.
Did her for stomach fluke and a bottle of magnesium too.

dodo mommy

How often would ye apply bayticol once the cattle go out?

tanko

dodo mommy wrote: »

How often would ye apply bayticol once the cattle go out?

When i used it i put it on every five to six weeks.
Its important to put it on before you let them out i think.

patsy_mccabe

Talking to a guy during the week. He was saying that Imizol is better than Bayticol as it allows the animal to develop immunity without getting redwater. It does this by not killing the tick. Bayticol kills the tick.

SuperTortoise

dodo mommy wrote: »

How often would ye apply bayticol once the cattle go out?

We've always gone for 6 week intervals, ideally dose them a few days before going out to give it time to absorb.

jd06

If bitten ,does it take 3 weeks to show up

Count Mondego

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Talking to a guy during the week. He was saying that Imizol is better than Bayticol as it allows the animal to develop immunity without getting redwater. It does this by not killing the tick. Bayticol kills the tick.

You'd hardly use Imizol as a preventative measure? Use it to treat them after getting it alright. There's a massive withdraw period with it.

I says

Count Mondego wrote: »

You'd hardly use Imizol as a preventative measure? Use it to treat them after getting it alright. There's a massive withdraw period with it.

236 days if I remember rightly.
Bayticol is the best measure to use, every animal that is bought gets it. Before they ever see a blade of grass.

Limestone Cowboy

Count Mondego wrote: »

You'd hardly use Imizol as a preventative measure? Use it to treat them after getting it alright. There's a massive withdraw period with it.

I do here with any bull I have bought in, give it after twelve days on rough ground. The withdrawal is ridiculous on it alright though. Not convinced with bayticol at all, know of a good few cases where it didn't work.

MfMan

Is the likes of Spot On or Taktik much of a deterrent? Anyone try it?

dryan

dryan wrote: »

First one of the year today. 18 month old bullock. Got him early. Was chewing the cud. When I hunted him up, he watered and there it was.

Another 2 with Red Water here since this post.
One of them was sick enough with it, on the mend now....slowly.
Annoying part is the long withdrawl period after using Imizol.

Not complaining though, could be allot worse....

Never had it at this rate before.
The 3 animals are from the same field.
This was grazed tight in the spring but plenty of grass now.

White Clover

Is red water only prevalent in certain parts of the country?

Count Mondego

White Clover wrote: »

Is red water only prevalent in certain parts of the country?

This is perfect weather for them, warm and moist. It would be specific to certain types of ground, forestry is bad as well as old fields that haven't been reseeded.

jd06

Hi, just wondering,
If bitten by the tick, how long will it take the red water to show up, would3 weeks be correct

longgonesilver

A minimum of 10 days. Not all ticks carry redwater.

jd06

longgonesilver wrote:

A minimum of 10 days. Not all ticks carry redwater.

Thanks for that, I have them on rough ground for 8 days now because I'm outta grass, I done them with bayticol 3 days before moving and its a red water area, 1 got it last year, fingers crossed

greysides

AHI under their Published guides have a good leaflet about it. When herding note cattle away to themselves, cattle that let you get closer than normal before rising to move off, frothy urine and cattle with pipestem diarrhoea. Early treatment is so much easier than playing catch so err on side of caution.

jd06

greysides wrote:

AHI under their Published guides have a good leaflet about it. When herding note cattle away to themselves, cattle that let you get closer than normal before rising to move off, frothy urine and cattle with pipestem diarrhoea. Early treatment is so much easier than playing catch so err on side of caution.

Thanks,
I'll read when I get a chance
Would u agree with the animals showing signes of redwater after 10 days, or have you seen it at earlier or later stages

greysides

Its been a while since I worked in a Redwater hotspots but 10 days sounds quite reasonable. The one thing that surprised me, given that Redwater is traditionally considered a Spring and Autumn disease, is that it really can occur at any time of the year, even Christmas.

greysides

Found this:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/farming/profile/early-detection-the-key-to-treatment-of-redwater-241273.html

jd06

greysides wrote:

Found this:

Great info there greysides
Much appreciated

dryan

First one in my place in 2019 caught today.
Lucky to catch him, was chewing cud.
Will get a shot of Imizol and a treacle/salt/water/egg home remedy concoction later this evening.

longgonesilver

Well spotted, treat as soon as possible.

bosallagh88

dryan wrote: »

First one in my place in 2019 caught today.
Lucky to catch him, was chewing cud.
Will get a shot of Imizol and a treacle/salt/water/egg home remedy concoction later this evening.

Cattle must deteriorate very quick when they do start showing signs of sickness when urs was chewing the cud apparently cattle that have red water have a hollow left flank would this be noticeable when herding or would you be looking more for one not eating and “empty looking “?

I says

Bayticol, bayticol and more bayticol for all cattle bought in here Tis only job.

jd06

I says wrote: »

Bayticol, bayticol and more bayticol for all cattle bought in here Tis only job.

There was a n offer on agri direct on bayticol. 105e for .5l

SuperTortoise

I says wrote: »

Bayticol, bayticol and more bayticol for all cattle bought in here Tis only job.

That's what we use here every 6 weeks or so, even cattle reared on the land gets a dose, and even then it's not 100%, have had a few cases over the years.