Population Explosion! Government plan possible 1 million more Irish within 20 years!

Population Explosion! Government plan possible 1 million more Irish in 20 years!

This is much needed welcome news and a positive for rural Ireland which will gain hugely if this planned population explosion and development plan goes ahead!

The only question is how will they do it? More incentives for those having families, or will we import refugees from Europe?

You can see from the Examiner at the link below about the government's plans.

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Samaris

Massive factory in Drumlin, manufacturing top of the line Irish people for the domestic and export market.

topper75

The quick sum on that is about 24,000 homes every year for the next 23 years.

Will.

Not.

Happen.

This plan is rough toilet paper.

suicide_circus

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BillyBobBS

Native Irish people aren't producing enough children for that kind of population increase because they can't afford it. So unless the government plans to bring in an extra 1 million non nationals then it ain't happening.

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BillyBobBS wrote: »

Native Irish people aren't producing enough children for that kind of population increase because they can't afford it.

Unless they don't work.

VinLieger

Its too late tbh, we are already 10-20 years into a pension crisis that will start to hit us 2030 and really be seriously problematic by 2040.

Telling people to have kids now is going to be an issue when it takes 18-22 years to turn them into workers that pay taxes

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VinLieger wrote: »

Its too late tbh, we are already 10-20 years into a pension crisis that will start to hit us 2030 and really be seriously problematic by 2040.

Telling people to have kids now is going to be an issue when it takes 18-22 years to turn them into workers that pay taxes

I pay into a work pension scheme, I presume this will be raided around 2040 so?

VinLieger

suicide_circus wrote: »

I pay into a work pension scheme, I presume this will be raided around 2040 so?

It wont exist by then and will definitely have been raided well before 2040.

Take the state pension scheme, people wrongly assume its an investment, in reality the money you pay into it today funds the pension check for some 80 year old tomorrow.

Currently we are on about a 6:1 ratio of workers to retirees.

By 2040 this will be down to about 3:1, the current pension systems simply cannot sustain that drop in people working vs retiress and continue paying pensions at the current levels.

Its the ticking time bomb no party wants to touch as the grey vote will take to their walkers the second pensions are mentioned.

silverharp

Western governments have gone skitzo, on the one hand they are worried by climate change so the last thing you want is increasing the population of Europe, falling would be better. Then without any irony they flip into muh pension pyramid scheme and somehow importing millions of third world yokels is required even though they will mostly drain the system.

topper75

topper75 wrote: »

The quick sum on that is about 24,000 homes every year for the next 23 years.

Will.

Not.

Happen.

This plan is rough toilet paper.

Nah. It will happen.

Instead what they'll do is build all of these houses, but not improving any of the infrastructure. So the roads, seweage systems, and everything else will be kept designed for somewhere half the new size.

osarusan

Mandatory euthanasia at age 73 should help to sort out the pension problem.

The_Kew_Tour

Would be no pension crisis if some people were not getting everything for free

Samaris

Well, we do have a slight advantage regarding the ratio, in that we are not the first country to come up against it. Now is the time to watch how other countries deal with it, how effective they are, and how soon we can put workable measures in place.

This isn't a new issue. This was building up even for this generation right now as the Baby Boomers retire and their smaller offspring base support that generation. It's a bit like swallowing a balloon and it will probably hurt (or maybe is in the process of hurting already), but absent an epidemic or some other drastic population-altering issue, the balloon will be swallowed because that's all that can be done about it.

backspin.

So who is going to want to come to Ireland? Where will we get these million people from?

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osarusan wrote: »

Mandatory euthanasia at age 73 should help to sort out the pension problem.

Soylent Green or Logans Run?

LirW

backspin. wrote: »

So who is going to want to come to Ireland? Where will we get these million people from?

More importantly: Do they really wanna repopulate Leitrim and Roscommon?

osarusan

Cliffs of Moher.

Tayschren

Old people cost feck all, lets be clear that the real issue is not the state pension which is perfectly affordable even in the future, its the public sector pensions that will sink Ireland

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Tayschren wrote: »

Old people cost feck all, lets be clear that the real issue is not the state pension which is perfectly affordable even in the future, its the public sector pensions that will sink Ireland

Not if we all start paying WAY more income tax.

LirW

Shhh, don't give them ideas.

silverharp

Tayschren wrote: »

Old people cost feck all, lets be clear that the real issue is not the state pension which is perfectly affordable even in the future, its the public sector pensions that will sink Ireland

medical costs, 5 years in a old people home will set you back a 250K or more.

BBDBB

Ready when you are

topper75

silverharp wrote: »

Western governments have gone skitzo, on the one hand they are worried by climate change so the last thing you want is increasing the population of Europe, falling would be better. Then without any irony they flip into muh pension pyramid scheme and somehow importing millions of third world yokels is required even though they will mostly drain the system.

Nailed euro stupidity in a single short post.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah. It will happen.

Instead what they'll do is build all of these houses, but not improving any of the infrastructure. So the roads, seweage systems, and everything else will be kept designed for somewhere half the new size.

I'm not talking about a ' political willingness' to build homes. I'm talking about actual capacity. 24,000 - think about it. It would be like building a new Limerick City every 2 years or so for the next 2 decades. You don't have to be in the construction game to see how that simply cannot happen.

topper75

backspin. wrote: »

So who is going to want to come to Ireland? Where will we get these million people from?

The people part is easy.

You would simply take them from developing countries in Africa.

Africa is set to DOUBLE its numbers between now and 2050 by UN projections. African resources of course will NOT double, and people will want to move and get out. Clearly, this process is actually well underway and it is not pretty.

The housing capacity, however, makes the plan a complete non-runner. Their sums are embarrassingly bad.

Wanderer78

The_Kew_Tour wrote:

Would be no pension crisis if some people were not getting everything for free

A very small amount of people getting free stuff I suspect have little or no difference on pension funds, some questionable financiers on the other hand!

silverharp

topper75 wrote: »

The people part is easy.

You would simply take them from developing countries in Africa.

Africa is set to DOUBLE its numbers between now and 2050 by UN projections. African resources of course will NOT double, and people will want to move and get out. Clearly, this process is actually well underway and it is not pretty.

The housing capacity, however, makes the plan a complete non-runner. Their sums are embarrassingly bad.

that would be a disaster for Ireland, the last thing Ireland need is a million poorly educated people whos only skillset is delivering pizzas. It would technically grow the economy but GDP per person would fall

rossie1977

LirW wrote: »

More importantly: Do they really wanna repopulate Leitrim and Roscommon?

Yes..will give us a bigger gaa panel in the years to come especially with mayo taking one of our biggest towns and westmeath stealing all of athlone on the Connacht side

bloodless_coup

VinLieger wrote: »

It wont exist by then and will definitely have been raided well before 2040.

Take the state pension scheme, people wrongly assume its an investment, in reality the money you pay into it today funds the pension check for some 80 year old tomorrow.

Currently we are on about a 6:1 ratio of workers to retirees.

By 2040 this will be down to about 3:1, the current pension systems simply cannot sustain that drop in people working vs retiress and continue paying pensions at the current levels.

Its the ticking time bomb no party wants to touch as the grey vote will take to their walkers the second pensions are mentioned.

I pay into my pension. What makes you so certain of the above. Should I not pay anything at all?

LirW

rossie1977 wrote: »

Yes..will give us a bigger gaa panel in the years to come especially with mayo taking one of our biggest towns and westmeath stealing all of athlone on the Connacht side

Giving the term GAAliban a whole new meaning

diomed

Tayschren wrote: »

Old people cost feck all, lets be clear that the real issue is not the state pension which is perfectly affordable even in the future, its the public sector pensions that will sink Ireland

Noirin O'Sullivan joined the Garda in 1981.
My guess is she is about 56 retired on a €90k pension. She didn't have to wait until 66 for her €12k OAP.

The minimum retirement age is 55 for people who joined the Gardai and Fire Service after 1 April 2004, while the compulsory retirement age for Gardai is 60. Equality legislation: Discrimination on the grounds of age for everyone aged over 16 is prohibited under employment equality legislation.

It seems there is a difference between legislation and enforcement.

The_Kew_Tour

Wanderer78 wrote: »

A very small amount of people getting free stuff I suspect have little or no difference on pension funds, some questionable financiers on the other hand!

No you're right, but its a big list of many things.

Plenty of money in the country, its the wrong people have it

VinLieger

diomed wrote: »

Noirin O'Sullivan joined the Garda in 1981.
My guess is she is about 56 retired on a €90k pension. She didn't have to wait until 66 for her €12k OAP.

The minimum retirement age is 55 for people who joined the Gardai and Fire Service after 1 April 2004, while the compulsory retirement age for Gardai is 60. Equality legislation: Discrimination on the grounds of age for everyone aged over 16 is prohibited under employment equality legislation.

It seems there is a difference between legislation and enforcement.

Unless we raise the reitrement age there are going to be a hell of a lot more people who theoretically will be retired for more years than they were working

dav3

http://npf.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ireland-2040-Our-Plan-Draft-NPF.pdf

Current population and economic trends continued to 2040 were analysed as a 'business as usual' scenario under a demographic and econometric model developed by the Economic and Social Research Institute (ESRI). This is the baseline from which potential alternative strategies were developed.

Looks about right. Why would you not plan for an almost an extra 1 million people if that's what the models are projecting?

It certainly doesn't mean the government are planning to bring in 1 million extra people. It does however mean that this particular government and political party who appear to have a phobia in relation to solving the homeless crisis, need to get their finger out.

TomSweeney

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c_man

No reason we can't construct floating cities to accommodate these new Irish.

Or we can plant them in the North. Government incentives to move there (a straight up grant?) and we'd have the run of the place in no time.

Or we can build the floating cities, populate them, then move them North offshore and get them to vote in elections.

arctictree

VinLieger wrote: »

It wont exist by then and will definitely have been raided well before 2040.

Take the state pension scheme, people wrongly assume its an investment, in reality the money you pay into it today funds the pension check for some 80 year old tomorrow.

Currently we are on about a 6:1 ratio of workers to retirees.

By 2040 this will be down to about 3:1, the current pension systems simply cannot sustain that drop in people working vs retiress and continue paying pensions at the current levels.

Its the ticking time bomb no party wants to touch as the grey vote will take to their walkers the second pensions are mentioned.

People keep talking about the pension time bomb. In reality successive governments keep increasing the OAP.

Mr. teddywinkles

And where pray tell is all the work for these people going to materialize from

"We are a country that is diverse, growing and changing."

Not my words, the words on the Irish government.

This is the plan.

Cina

Population implosion is a serious issue facing Europe for the future. We're simply not producing enough babies to cope with the life expectancy going up and up.

I can't really see that changing, either. I expect at some point, Europe, and Ireland, will start letting a lot more migrants in, especially as their countries become more and more uninhabitable.

c_man

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

And where pray tell is all the work for these people going to materialize from

Constructing floating cities.

silverharp

Cina wrote: »

Population implosion is a serious issue facing Europe for the future. We're simply not producing enough babies to cope with the life expectancy going up and up.

I can't really see that changing, either. I expect at some point, Europe, and Ireland, will start letting a lot more migrants in, especially as their countries become more and more uninhabitable.

there is no need, look at the automation coming down the road in areas like transport. Europe's population doubled from 1900 to 2000 , there should be do harm in it drifting back to 1900 levels, in fact it would be much nicer, cheaper housing less congestion, cleaner environment

Red Weed

Red Weed wrote: »

Rubbish. Europeans will not accept population replacement.

Well, they had better wake up then, already in Ireland, 17% of Irish residents were born abroad.

silverharp

c_man wrote: »

Constructing floating cities.

Celtic tiger? import Poles to build floating houses for Poles in floodplains

Permabear

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Mr. teddywinkles

Cina wrote: »

Population implosion is a serious issue facing Europe for the future. We're simply not producing enough babies to cope with the life expectancy going up and up.

I can't really see that changing, either. I expect at some point, Europe, and Ireland, will start letting a lot more migrants in, especially as their countries become more and more uninhabitable.

And do you know why because to maintain a decent living standard for a child and out of poverty costs lots of money. That's why people are having less kids. I think there's no point in populating the place and everyone living in poverty. Going backwards.

Grayson

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

And do you know why because to maintain a decent living standard for a child and out of poverty costs lots of money. That's why people are having less kids. I think there's no point in populating the place and everyone living in poverty. Going backwards.

partly. It's also because women don't want their vagina's to be clown cars.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

It's not an exceptional expectation. Births in Ireland for the past 15 years have outnumbered Deaths by close to 40,000 per year.

Cina

Red Weed wrote: »

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They may not have a choice.

Permabear wrote: »

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True, there are also those with 5 kids by the time they're 40, getting (almost) free housing and absurd social welfare. Ireland, by the standards of almost every other country, has incredible benefits for the uneducated, and old people, that are costing the middle/high income class dearly.

Cina

Red Weed wrote: »

Those are mostly Brits and Poles, people who can actually integrate. The 10s, maybe 100s of millions of Africans that will be seeking the promised land will not be welcomed.

if true, that's pretty sad, considering it's largely the Western World who have f*cked over Africa for the last few centuries, and it's the Western World's extreme wealth and greediness that's going to cause large parts of their countries to be uninhabitable in the not so distant future.

Also, when the going gets bad, how are we going to stop them exactly?