Motor repairs Regulation

Autochange

Nowadays some Plumbing and Electrical work must be done and signed of by a tradesman with the correct licensing.

After all an incorrectly repaired vehicle could be a deathtrap to the driver, its occupants, others on the road and pedestrians.

Will we ever see this coming into effect with vehicles?

SCOOP 64

Autochange wrote: »

Nowadays some Plumbing and Electrical work must be done and signed of by a tradesman with the correct licensing.

After all an incorrectly repaired vehicle could be a deathtrap to the driver, its occupants, others on the road and pedestrians.

Will we ever see this coming into effect with vehicles?

Hope not, will stop the enjoyment of hundreds of motorist who enjoy fixing there own cars, like a hobby to some.

Autochange

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Hope not, will stop the enjoyment of hundreds of motorist who enjoy fixing there own cars.

Defiantly, Hopefully not anytime soon

Toyotafanboi

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Hope not, will stop the enjoyment of hundreds of motorist who enjoy fixing there own cars, like a hobby to some.

I doubt that would happen in the same way that the regulations at present don't stop hobbyist plumbers and electricians changing their own taps/ sockets etc.

StereoSound

I wondered about this to before... Are we gonna need a legally obliged stamped service record for our cars one of these days. I would hate to have to pay someone €90 to change the oil when I can do it blind folded myself.

Garages everywhere would double their prices over night if this ever happened. Local motor factors would go out of business

Bruthal

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I doubt that would happen in the same way that the regulations at present don't stop hobbyist plumbers and electricians changing their own taps/ sockets etc.

Electrical regulations prevent (legally) non registered electricians from doing any more than a DIYer can do, in a house.

If a hobbyist mechanic was restricted to the same level, he might be permitted to change a bulb.

Toyotafanboi

Bruthal wrote: »

Electrical regulations prevent (legally) non registered electricians from doing any more than a DIYer can do, in a house.

If a hobbyist mechanic was restricted to the same level, he might be permitted to change a bulb.

But there is no prevention. If I were to rewire my entire house tomorrow, new fuseboard, new immersion and central heating system, who would know and who would stop me?

foxy farmer

Give it time. You need only see the ever increasing levels of bureaucracy in this country to realise it's another cash cow. Insurance companies find it handy to have some name on paper to blame when things go tits up and it ends up in court.
Self certifying work is a bit of a joke. I worked in the electrical trade 20 yrs ago . RECI were the regulatory body. I saw some desperate work signed off by electricians. Spot checks were rare.

Farmer

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

But there is no prevention. If I were to rewire my entire house tomorrow, new fuseboard, new immersion and central heating system, who would know and who would stop me?

I think foxy has summed it up in the next post. Technically nothing would stop us but if the house burned down, even because of something totally unrelated, insurance would look for the certs for our lovely bit of new DIY stuff.

I'd hazard a guess that there's a fair bit of this going on already in the motoring space with modified cars, insuring one/driving another etc.

Interesting to know if many people have found themselves uninsured when they thought they were

OldMrBrennan83

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Farmer

Most likely would be
"OK, this has come from Europe, we have to implement it"

Seth Brundle

Autochange wrote: »

Nowadays some Plumbing and Electrical work must be done and signed of by a tradesman with the correct licensing.

After all an incorrectly repaired vehicle could be a deathtrap to the driver, its occupants, others on the road and pedestrians.

Will we ever see this coming into effect with vehicles?

I'd argue that we already have a form of compliance in the sense that the driver must be sure that their vehicle is roadworthy when in use on the road.
By shifting liability to a mechanic is daft. Where is the bar set in terms of what must be certified and what does not require it? This list would require constant updating.
What would happen if a car owner never fixed an issue?
Under the current system if an issue is not fixed there are ways to follow up. Similarly there would be potentially legal ramifications were an incident to occur on the roads because of poor workmanship.
The policy we have now is best IMO!

Cheensbo

The day someone comes and tells me I can't fit a set of brake pads to my own car is the day they'll be fishing them back out of their hole.

Completely unenforceable anyway, fcukin hell we cant even enforce something as basic as folk having insurance.

There's enough stupid rules & regulations out there hindering our lives, let's not make more.

selectamatic

Technically the nct already ensures the work adheres to a certain standard. It's not fool proof but it's pretty much just as effective and much easier implement.

Autochange

selectamatic wrote: »

Technically the nct already ensures the work adheres to a certain standard. It's not fool proof but it's pretty much just as effective and much easier implement.

The nct only covers road worthiness at time of testing. Nothing to stop someone making a mess out of their brake pad replacement a few months later and killing someone because the car didnt stop as it should.

I understand what you mean though

Seth Brundle

Cheensbo wrote: »

The day someone comes and tells me I can't fit a set of brake pads to my own car is the day they'll be fishing them back out of their hole.

:rolleyes:

Autochange wrote: »

The nct only covers road worthiness at time of testing. Nothing to stop someone making a mess out of their brake pad replacement a few months later and killing someone because the car didnt stop as it should.

Which is why, as I said earlier, the onus is best remaining on the driver!

tomwaterford

Cheensbo wrote: »

The day someone comes and tells me I can't fit a set of brake pads to my own car is the day they'll be fishing them back out of their hole.

Completely unenforceable anyway, fcukin hell we cant even enforce something as basic as folk having insurance.

There's enough stupid rules & regulations out there hindering our lives, let's not make more.

Afaik the last person to work on the car(any vechicle) is the person liable,esp in relation to breaks

(So we were told in FAS)

pippip

Autochange wrote: »

The nct only covers road worthiness at time of testing. Nothing to stop someone making a mess out of their brake pad replacement a few months later and killing someone because the car didnt stop as it should.

I understand what you mean though

Yeh but in the same way a vehicle is wear and tear, a "certified" mechanic could do some work and eventually something fails and possibly same result of fatality.

I don't think certified mechanics would have any effect on road deaths.

Seth Brundle

tomwaterford wrote: »

Afaik the last person to work on the car(any vechicle) is the person liable,esp in relation to breaks

(So we were told in FAS)

Presumably that also depends on how long ago that was.
Brakes can fail, hoses perish, fluid absorbs water, etc.

Hellrazer

Cant see it happening with ICE but with the amount of EVs that are going to be on the road and with the voltages involved Id be surprised if they didnt try to enforce some regulation on that side of things.

FFS we have to label any EV being worked on with all these warning signs when they are in the workshop to warn people of the high voltages even if its not related to the EV system.
The only technician that can work on them (from a manufacturers point of view) is one trained in high voltage electrics.

tomwaterford

kbannon wrote: »

Presumably that also depends on how long ago that was.
Brakes can fail, hoses perish, fluid absorbs water, etc.

Who changes pads and doesn't check these?


Pretty sure we were told it applies to all work as one instructor told us,if we suspect on anything and the person not wanted to do it.

To leave off the earth clamp,and let them put it on and tighten it themselves while pointing out the faults

tomwaterford

Hellrazer wrote: »

Cant see it happening with ICE but with the amount of EVs that are going to be on the road and with the voltages involved Id be surprised if they didnt try to enforce some regulation on that side of things.

FFS we have to label any EV being worked on with all these warning signs when they are in the workshop to warn people of the high voltages even if its not related to the EV system.
The only technician that can work on them (from a manufacturers point of view) is one trained in high voltage electrics.

Sorry for off topic

Bit can the cells be changed in them,like the forklifts??

Hellrazer

tomwaterford wrote: »

Sorry for off topic

Bit can the cells be changed in them,like the forklifts??

I havent come across it yet but the franchise Im with are only new to the whole EV market.

K.Flyer

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

But there is no prevention. If I were to rewire my entire house tomorrow, new fuseboard, new immersion and central heating system, who would know and who would stop me?

Nobody would know, and quite probably would never know. But, if something bad was to happen, like a fire or something, and there was an investigation, you may find your home insurance null and void and you would have lost everything.

Hellrazer

K.Flyer wrote: »

Nobody would know, and quite probably would never know. But, if something bad was to happen, like a fire or something, and there was an investigation, you may find your home insurance null and void and you would have lost everything.

What about this scenario??

You pay a reputable company to do your plumbing,electrical or service your car and then find out it was a 1st year apprentice that did the work.

You might have a cert to say its all good when in reality the job was done by someone not qualified to do it.

K.Flyer

Hellrazer wrote: »

What about this scenario??

You pay a reputable company to do your plumbing,electrical or service your car and then find out it was a 1st year apprentice that did the work.

You might have a cert to say its all good when in reality the job was done by someone not qualified to do it.

In my trade (Heating and Plumbing) an apprentice cannot sign off on an installation, he is not qualified nor insured to do so.
If an apprentice did the work and the qualified person / company signs off, then the qualified person / company becomes the person responsible for the work and will be held accountable if there are issues.
In that scenario it would just not be in their interest to sign off and take on that sort of responsibility.

BTW, I am not advocating the regulating of motor maintenance in the same way. For many many years I did all my own motor maintenance and was quite confident in it as well.
Haynes manuals and good quality torque wrenches etc

Cheensbo

kbannon wrote: »

:rolleyes:

GFY