No NCT for 12 months.

spoke2cun

What's the story if this happens?

Isambard

If you test it today you will get a test up to the normal renewal date or for 12 months depending on the renewal date.

There aren't any repercussions for not having it tested if you weren't caught with it on the road.

grogi

Isambard wrote: »

If you test it today you will get a test up to the normal renewal date or for 12 months depending on the renewal date.

There aren't any repercussions for not having it tested if you weren't caught with it on the road.

Hypothetical question - what happens if my NCT for 2010 car expired 01.11.2016 and I would pass today? Would I get a cert to 1.11.2017 or 1.11.2018 or 1.11.2019?

Del2005

grogi wrote: »

Hypothetical question - what happens if my NCT for 2010 car expired 01.11.2016 and I would pass today? Would I get a cert to 1.11.2017 or 1.11.2018 or 1.11.2019?

It'll be 2018, the car is still in the 2 year test cycle. You don't gain any benefit from letting the NCT expire.

CiniO

grogi wrote: »

Hypothetical question - what happens if my NCT for 2010 car expired 01.11.2016 and I would pass today? Would I get a cert to 1.11.2017 or 1.11.2018 or 1.11.2019?

2018. But if car was older f.e. 2005 then it would still be 2018.

spoke2cun

CiniO wrote: »

2018. But if car was older f.e. 2005 then it would still be 2018.

This is similar to my question. I'm talking about a car that has to be tested every 12 months.

Del2005

spoke2cun wrote: »

This is similar to my question. I'm talking about a car that has to be tested every 12 months.

You'll get the NCT for the next date due. So if it's out 13 months you'll get 11 on the new test out 23 months you'll get 1.

grogi

Del2005 wrote: »

You'll get the NCT for the next date due. So if it's out 13 months you'll get 11 on the new test out 23 months you'll get 1.

I think that if it is out for 23 months, you'll get a cert for 25 or 13 months, depends how old the car is.

Del2005

grogi wrote: »

I think that if it is out for 23 months, you'll get a cert for 25 or 13 months, depends how old the car is.

No there's no benefit from not testing, so you always get to the next due date if expired. You only get an extended cert if you submit for voluntary early testing.

spoke2cun

If a 06 NCT expires on 1/3/17 and you don't test the car again till 2/3/18. What's the story?

grogi

Del2005 wrote: »

No there's no benefit from not testing, so you always get to the next due date if expired. You only get an extended cert if you submit for voluntary early testing.

Firstly, you cannot get the cert that is already expired. And if you get a certificate within the 90 days anniversary, it will be valid until the next due date (Section 12 (2) of S.I. No. 322/2014).

So if you test the car 22 months after expiration, it is ~60 days before anniversary. Issued cert will expire on the next anniversary - in 26 or 14 months, depends if the car is 10 years old or not.


Nevertheless the regulation is unnecessarily complicated.

GM228

grogi wrote: »

I think that if it is out for 23 months, you'll get a cert for 25 or 13 months, depends how old the car is.

grogi wrote: »

So if you test the car 22 months after expiration, it is ~60 days before anniversary. Issued cert will expire on the next anniversary - in 26 or 14 months, depends if the car is 10 years old or not.

You have this wrong grogi, if you test 22 months late you still only get 2 months despite being within the 90 day window for voluntary testing.

DoraDelite

spoke2cun wrote: »

If a 06 NCT expires on 1/3/17 and you don't test the car again till 2/3/18. What's the story?

The new cert runs to 1/3/2019 assuming 1/3 is your annual test date.

CiniO

GM228 wrote: »

You have this wrong grogi, if you test 22 months late you still only get 2 months despite being within the 90 day window for voluntary testing.

Del2005 wrote: »

No there's no benefit from not testing, so you always get to the next due date if expired. You only get an extended cert if you submit for voluntary early testing.

That's incorrect.

If you test within 90 days of due date, you get cert valid until following due date next year (in case of car older than 10 years) or in two years (in case of car younger than 10 years).
Fact if NCT was valid in current period is irrelevant.

So there is no option to do NCT and get a cert valid for less than 90 days.
The least you can get a cert for is 91 days.


So f.e. lets say we have car over 10 years old.
NCT expired 1/12/2016.
If you do the test now which is 15/9/2017, which is less then 90 days to next due date (1/12/2017) your cert will be valid until 1/12/2018. Irrelevant of fact that car was not NCTed from 1/12/2016.

If you did the test on 20th August 2017 though, your cert would be valid only until 1/12/2017, so for just over 3 months.

CiniO

spoke2cun wrote: »

If a 06 NCT expires on 1/3/17 and you don't test the car again till 2/3/18. What's the story?

NCT expired on 1/3/2017.
Next due date is 1/3/2018.
If you test it within 90 days of next due date, which will be roughly after 1/12/2017, you will get a cert valid until 1/3/2019. so for over 12 months.
If you test it more then 90 days before next due date which will be roughly before 31/11/2017, you will only get a cart until 1/3/2018 so for just over 3 months.

grogi

GM228 wrote: »

You have this wrong grogi, if you test 22 months late you still only get 2 months despite being within the 90 day window for voluntary testing.

The validity of the certificate has nothing to do with the expiration/not of the previous cert, only with the test due date (effectively anniversary of the first registration).

Section (2) defines what test due dates are. For a regular vehicle it is anniversary of the first registration.

(2) Subject to paragraph (3), the test due dates for a vehicle mentioned in paragraph (1) are—
(a) for a vehicle referred to in subparagraph (a) or (c) of paragraph (1), the anniversary date mentioned in the relevant subparagraph and—
(i) until the tenth anniversary of first registration of the vehicle, each subsequent biennial of that date, and
(ii) from the tenth anniversary of first registration of the vehicle, each subsequent anniversary of that date,

Section 12 defines validity of the cert. 12.(1) basically says that a newly issued certificate cannot expire in the past and will expire on the closest test due date in future. So the cert issued for a car that has the previous cert expired for 22 months would expire in 2 months. But then Section 12.(2) extends that and says that if tested within 90 day window before a test due date (which in the given example is in 2 months from when the car is presented to the test, so the condition applies), the cert will be valid until next test due date - which is 26 or 14 months from the test.

Validity of test certificate

12. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), a test certificate ceases to be in force on that test due date which occurs after the certificate to which it relates was issued.
(2) A test certificate which is issued not more than 90 days before a test due date continues in force until the subsequent test due date.

GM228

grogi wrote: »

The validity of the certificate has nothing to do with the expiration of the previous one, only with the anniversary of the first registration.

Indeed that was always my understanding, but I know someone who only recently received a 2 month test cert when they thought they would get a 14 month cert.

I looked into it on their behalf and I believe the NCT may be correct based on the 2014 regulations.

"voluntary early test” means a test carried out more than 90 days before a test due date.

"test due date” means the date by which a vehicle should be presented for a test

As the NCT pointed out the car was presented 22 months late for when it should have been presented, rather than 2 months early. The date that the car "should be presented for a test" was late, not early. They are still chasing it up, but it's possible this is to prevent people purposly skiping tests?

grogi

GM228 wrote: »

Indeed that was always my understanding, but I know someone who only recently received a 2 month test cert when they thought they would get a 14 month cert.

They are still chasing it up, but it's possible this is to present prevent people purposly skiping tests?

I don't know. If they tested two months later, they would get full 12 months anyway...
But there is no benefit of postponing the test really. Driving 9/10 or 12 months without NCT is not really a good option IMHO...

But as said, the regulation is really overly complex and the whole early volunteering test and anniversary language is very confusing.

The test could simply:
* extend the validity of the previous cert by 12/24 months (depending on the age of the car at the time of issuing the cert)
* but not more than 15/27 months into the future (this is to avoid testing many times in the same week and extending the faaaar into the future)
* not less than 3 months into the future (to reduce to test many times when a car with veeery expired test is presented).

If you test a car with valid test, it works as before. If you present a car with a test slightly expired, it still works as now. But if the test is expired for 22 months, you would only get 3 months worth of test.

BrianBoru00

Tests dates are basically set in stone.
A car registerd as a 2008 car will get :
first test in 2012
second test in 2014
third test in 2016
4th test in 2018
5th in 2019
6th in 2020

etc.
Suppose he didn't get it tested until 2018. He would STILL have to pay the €55 or whatever it is for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd tests AS WELL AS the fourth test.

whoopsadoodles

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

etc.
Suppose he didn't get it tested until 2018. He would STILL have to pay the €55 or whatever it is for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd tests AS WELL AS the fourth test.

No he wouldn't .

spoke2cun

So get it tested 90 days within the next due date?