223 km/h on the M8

neris

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/907898020473253888

inforfun

That 223 deserves a triple post.

joeysoap

inforfun wrote: »

That 223 deserves a triple post.

Deserve a medal, and a trial with Mercedes F1.

What was he driving?

Wasn't Clarkson by any chance?

boardsuser1

joeysoap wrote: »

Deserve a medal, and a trial with Mercedes F1.

What was he driving?

Wasn't Clarkson by any chance?

Still doesn't beat the Ferrari clocked at 236 km/h last year on that road :pac:

RayCun

yeah, isn't he great, he managed to go really fast :rolleyes:

Neilw

223 isn't really that fast, most modern diesels would do that and anything with a bit of power would sail past.
They didn't mention the time of day or conditions.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I i lived in Cork I would drive 223km....would get you about to Dublin.

Its 140mph....pretty fast in all fairness.

TallGlass

Neilw wrote: »

223 isn't really that fast, most modern diesels would do that and anything with a bit of power would sail past.
They didn't mention the time of day or conditions.

Ah come on, I agree with your points. But 223 is fast in fact it's very very fast. Put it this way, it's so fast I wouldn't like to be in that car if something was to go tits up.

marno21

TallGlass wrote: »

Ah come on, I agree with your points. But 223 is fast in fact it's very very fast. Put it this way, it's so fast I wouldn't like to be in that car if something was to go tits up.

Given the unpredictable nature of Irish drivers, driving at 223km/h on a narrow median motorway with max design speeds of 160km/h is not wise. All it takes is one clown to pull out into the right hand lane and bang.

Guy:Incognito

You're covering the length of football pitch every 1.5 seconds ish at that speed. One idiot pulling in to your lane and it's game over.

wotzgoingon

And if it only happened in the past few days well that was reckless as if the weather where it happened is the same as where I was then it was really reckless as it was raining on and off with the ground still wet after a shower then you have leaves ect on the road also. It might be alright for them to speed and kill themselves but most accidents involve another motorist so they were putting other lives at risk.

TallGlass

marno21 wrote: »

Given the unpredictable nature of Irish drivers, driving at 223km/h on a narrow median motorway with max design speeds of 160km/h is not wise. All it takes is one clown to pull out into the right hand lane and bang.

You mean the predictable Irish driving of someone pulling out.

Unpredictable in Ireland is someone who knows how to actually drive on a motorway!

RayCun

marno21 wrote: »

Given the unpredictable nature of Irish drivers, driving at 223km/h on a narrow median motorway with max design speeds of 160km/h is not wise. All it takes is one clown to pull out into the right hand lane and bang.

it's interesting that people complain about a "clown" who might pull into the right hand lane, and not the **** with a stopping distance in the hundreds of metres, because that lad is admired on here.

marno21

RayCun wrote: »

it's interesting that people complain about a "clown" who might pull into the right hand lane, and not the **** with a stopping distance in the hundreds of metres, because that lad is admired on here.

I'm talking in general; not about this case. I have often been in Lane 2 overtaking at the speed limit and someone pulls directly out in front of me causing me to brake.

If there was someone doing 200km/h in Lane 2, the driver in Lane 1 shouldn't pull out carelessly regardless of the speed any other driver in Lane 2 is doing. Civilians in lane 1 have no control over the driver in Lane 2's speed and should act accordingly

RayCun

marno21 wrote: »

If there was someone doing 200km/h in Lane 2, the driver in Lane 1 shouldn't pull out carelessly regardless of the speed any other driver in Lane 2 is doing. Civilians in lane 1 have no control over the driver in Lane 2's speed and should act accordingly

Of course, no one is suggesting otherwise.

But look at the recent comments on this thread -

TallGlass wrote: »

Unpredictable in Ireland is someone who knows how to actually drive on a motorway!

Who doesn't know how to drive on a motorway? The driver pulling out, not the driver travelling 80km/h over the speed limit

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

One idiot pulling in to your lane and it's game over.

The idiot is the driver pulling into your lane, not the driver travelling 80km/h over the speed limit.

marno21 wrote: »

All it takes is one clown to pull out into the right hand lane and bang.

Who is the clown here? Couldn't be the driver travelling 80km/h over the speed limit!

There's a consistent tone of sneaking admiration for people who recklessly exceed the speed limit.

punisher5112

marno21 wrote: »

I'm talking in general; not about this case. I have often been in Lane 2 overtaking at the speed limit and someone pulls directly out in front of me causing me to brake.

If there was someone doing 200km/h in Lane 2, the driver in Lane 1 shouldn't pull out carelessly regardless of the speed any other driver in Lane 2 is doing. Civilians in lane 1 have no control over the driver in Lane 2's speed and should act accordingly

Its very true and its either pure stupidity or they have no idea how to judge the speed of other moving objects.

Happens daily.

Another thing is the ones that overtake then pull in front and proceed to slow right down... Then as I'm keeping a constant speed I must overtake the overtaker......


Education is the only way.

boardsuser1

punisher5112 wrote: »

Its very true and its either pure stupidity or they have no idea how to judge the speed of other moving objects.

Happens daily.

Another thing is the ones that overtake then pull in front and proceed to slow right down... Then as I'm keeping a constant speed I must overtake the overtaker......


Education is the only way.

This is something that i cannot stand.

Whenever i was driving the truck or the Bus, i would have several motorists do this, i have a question though, why?!?!

I'm not talking about dual carriageways or motorways either, i'm talking about speeds that i can do just as much as them, i.e up 80km/h

joeysoap

And as happened to me on a few occasions, overtaking on the motorway, and pulling off at the next junction 100 metres or less ahead. I almost collected a car on the motorway near Ennis earlier this year, I would have hit the car on its left hand side as it pulled across to exit. Overtook and in the same movement pulled off the road. I have no doubt the car would have somersaulted if we had collided. I was doing about 100kph at the time, not exactly dawdling.

I had to brake relatively hard to avoid the collision, and then of course you are relying on the car behind seeing what's happening.

TallGlass

RayCun wrote: »

Who doesn't know how to drive on a motorway? The driver pulling out, not the driver travelling 80km/h over the speed limit

Hold a sweet second there chap. Hold on. I noticed first off the bat you never quoted my other post where I said it was very very fast. Huh, did that one just go above your head or your eyes in this case?

As for 'who doesn't know how to drive on a motorway', alot of Irish drivers have no clue or place on a motorway if you ask me. As is clear from many many Garda tweets on the subject and in this case someone doing over 220.

Last on your 'But look at the recent comments on this thread', again pointing out I never once in that post mentioned that the speed the driver was doing is okay and secondly never once mentioned that the person in lane 2 was speeding. It's happened many times to me and seemingly for no real good reason.

How about your read the posts before going on and quoting posters and saying 'But look at the recent comments on this thread'.

RayCun

TallGlass wrote: »

Hold a sweet second there chap. Hold on. I noticed first off the bat you never quoted my other post where I said it was very very fast. Huh, did that one just go above your head or your eyes in this case?

you did say it was very very fast, but when you posted about people not knowing how to drive on a motorway, the clear implication is that you were talking about people pulling out, not people speeding.

TallGlass wrote: »

Last on your 'But look at the recent comments on this thread', again pointing out I never once in that post mentioned that the speed the driver was doing is okay

no, no-one says it's okay.
They just say wow, that's fast, and complain about other people being clowns.

It's not just this driver either. Look back through the thread and see how many complaints there are about people driving in the middle lane compared to people speeding.

Quite often when someone is done for speeding you get people reminiscing about how fast they used to drive and in what cars. You don't get people reminiscing about driving in the middle lane. Why? Because in this forum one is socially acceptable and the other isn't.

Dravokivich

marno21 wrote: »

Given the unpredictable nature of Irish drivers, driving at 223km/h on a narrow median motorway with max design speeds of 160km/h is not wise. All it takes is one clown to pull out into the right hand lane and bang.

Someone behind me going 85% over the speed limit, I pull into the lane to over take, when I check they would be very far behind me, when I merge into the lane they'd be right behind me.

I'd be the clown?

K.Flyer

You're supposed to check mirrors more than once. A good driver should be able to determine from at least two good looks in the mirror if a vehicle is catching up fast in the lane they are going to move into.

Dravokivich

K.Flyer wrote: »

You're supposed to check mirrors more than once. A good driver should be able to determine from at least two good looks in the mirror if a vehicle is catching up fast in the lane they are going to move into.

First time, they aren't there, second time, way off in the distance.

Still a clown?

languagenerd

marno21 wrote: »

I'm talking in general; not about this case. I have often been in Lane 2 overtaking at the speed limit and someone pulls directly out in front of me causing me to brake.

If there was someone doing 200km/h in Lane 2, the driver in Lane 1 shouldn't pull out carelessly regardless of the speed any other driver in Lane 2 is doing. Civilians in lane 1 have no control over the driver in Lane 2's speed and should act accordingly

Yes, but if you're driving on the motorway, you don't expect that car in the distance to be doing 223km! You'll act accordingly, gauging distance the way you normally do when you use the motorway, assuming the car is going at 120 (or anything up to 145/150 really)

It's very far away when you check your mirror, but it's travelling 61 metres per second. Depending on the road - dips, curves - the car mightn't be visible at all when you start the manoeuvre and suddenly it's on top of you. You'd assume you're fine because you can see the lane is empty for 100m but by the time you pull out, that car is 120m closer to you. In wet weather, I wouldnt fancy either driver's chances.

K.Flyer

Dravokivich wrote: »

First time, they aren't there, second time, way off in the distance.

Still a clown?

Does it not then warrant a third look to try to determine his pace before pulling out in front of him.

ELM327

It's very fast indeed.
I have driven at that speed before on a mercy drive (for personal reasons I'm not going to go into, but suffice it to say I would have had a police escort to my destination straight away if stopped)

Not something that should be done every day as the rest of the mouthbreathers hogging the overtaking lane wouldn't recognise that someone doing twice their speed. But if we were a nation of good drivers it's not dangerous. Hell in Germany the Autobahns have unrestricted sections. I drove there doing 250km/h (limiter of the car kicked in) and I was still being overtaken.

josip

K.Flyer wrote: »

Does it not then warrant a third look to try to determine his pace before pulling out in front of him.

Sure why not turn completely around for the whole time you're changing lanes.

marno21

Dravokivich wrote: »

Someone behind me going 85% over the speed limit, I pull into the lane to over take, when I check they would be very far behind me, when I merge into the lane they'd be right behind me.

I'd be the clown?

I'm talking about people who pull out into lane 2 when the driver in lane 2 is close to them, certainly close enough that if they checked their mirrors they'd see that the driver in lane 2 will have to brake immediately.

Dravokivich

K.Flyer wrote: »

Does it not then warrant a third look to try to determine his pace before pulling out in front of him.

I'm already in front.

marno21 wrote: »

I'm talking about people who pull out into lane 2 when the driver in lane 2 is close to them, certainly close enough that if they checked their mirrors they'd see that the driver in lane 2 will have to brake immediately.

You are trying to excuse one case of wreckless driving by presenting another case of wreckless driving.

2 wrongs don't make a...

I'm just trying to take that skewed perception out, based on how one is expected to act.

JC01

I wonder what people's views are if it was 3am on an empty motorway...

Myself, if the conditions allow it then off with him but even id say that's going way too hard during daytime/evening and I wouldn't exactly be a stickler for speed limits.

grogi

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You're covering the length of football pitch every 1.5 seconds ish at that speed. One idiot pulling in to your lane and it's game over.

And driving 120 km/h you are covering the length of football pitch every 2.5 seconds... Meaningless figures...

Some jump to the conclusions here about other drivers pulling out. But M8 can be very empty and I can imagine reaching 230 km/h without overtaking anybody with speed above speed limit.

Doltanian

I think the 2 year ban is a disgrace, maybe increase the penalty to a €1000 fine but this should not warrant a bannable offense. I personally would be in favour of delimiting the motorways and making them a non-insurable place. We should have followed the Autobahn system where you can drive as fast as your car will carry you and ban Nissan Micras and Toyota Yaris' from all roads.

vicwatson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You're covering the length of football pitch every 1.5 seconds ish at that speed. One idiot pulling in to your lane and it's game over.

The idiot is hardly the one pulling into "your" lane, the idiot is the one driving at this speed

Kenny Logins

The M8 is only about 150km long so they must have stopped them on the return trip.

TherapyBoy

vicwatson wrote: »

The idiot is hardly the one pulling into "your" lane, the idiot is the one driving at this speed

Let's just say everyone is an idiot and leave it at that.

farna_boy

I wonder if this was cannonball?

redcup342

I'm just amazed there was a speed check on the M8 ... never saw one before.

deathtocaptcha

farna_boy wrote: »

I wonder if this was cannonball?

More than likely, lots of idiots with big egos in fast cars trying to out-do each other...

ILikeBoats

redcup342 wrote: »

I'm just amazed there was a speed check on the M8 ... never saw one before.

Ditto. Would drive it fairly regularly, never seen a speed check

corcaigh07

Doltanian wrote: »

I think the 2 year ban is a disgrace, maybe increase the penalty to a €1000 fine but this should not warrant a bannable offense. I personally would be in favour of delimiting the motorways and making them a non-insurable place. We should have followed the Autobahn system where you can drive as fast as your car will carry you and ban Nissan Micras and Toyota Yaris' from all roads.

Sounds like chaos

Fred Swanson

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dr.fuzzenstein

TallGlass wrote: »

Ah come on, I agree with your points. But 223 is fast in fact it's very very fast. Put it this way, it's so fast I wouldn't like to be in that car if something was to go tits up.

Actually, you'll be better off.
Drive at the speed limit, you might survive but be horribly mangled.
Drive 223, something happens, instant lights out.
There's that to be said for it...

Abu94

vicwatson wrote: »

The idiot is hardly the one pulling into "your" lane, the idiot is the one driving at this speed

So everyone driving over the speed limit in Germany on autobahn is an idiot. If you say so dude because your opinion really matters to all the drivers going over 120 on autobahn.

dr.fuzzenstein

vicwatson wrote: »

The idiot is hardly the one pulling into "your" lane, the idiot is the one driving at this speed

The idiot is also the one just yanking the steering wheel to the right "I'll just pull out dere nowterfcuk" without even checking his mirrors.
The car already in the lane has priority. Change lanes without looking, it's your fault if you pull out 5 meters ahead of a car going much faster.
Driving without due care and attention at best.

grogi

ILikeBoats wrote: »

Ditto. Would drive it fairly regularly, never seen a speed check

I've seen one once - on the dunkettle approach, where the limit it 100 km/h,.

ShadowHearth

220km/h is a wee bit of a piss take, but driving 180km/h is perfectly manageable on motorways here.

I wouldn't be afraid of actual speed. I would be more afraid of a testicle in yaris overtaking at 100km/h another testicle in micra, that is doing 90km/h.
Another beauty is when 2 truck drivers measuring their gentleman sausages by trying over take each other and block both lanes for miles.
Add the donkeys, who just decide to stroll around in right lane doing less then speed limit.

220km/h is dangerous in Ireland, but its not something mad.

murphthesmurf

It's hard to judge his behaviour without any context. What time of day/night, was there actually any traffic in lane 1, weather conditions etc. If it was a dry day and no one else around its really not so bad if you're a decent driver. If it goes tits up you're only going to take yourself out. But 'decent' drivers are few and far between. In Germany no one would take any notice of this as the standard of driving is far higher. Lane discipline is a myth in Ireland, around Dublin more than anywhere else. Which is ironic as they have more motorway per sq mile than the rest of the country. It's literally a free for all.
The designer of the Bugatti Veyron owned a McLaran F1. Whilst working on the designing of the Veyron he used to drive to work in his F1 on the Autobahn at 5am. He said he used to drive at 200mph pretty much every morning as the roads were empty. He was a good driver, who understood what it takes to do things like that. He would not be arrested in Germany for that. It is a different world of driving there.
Not condoning any of it, he was in the wrong. 2 years is too harsh when Mary in her Quashquai on her mobile would only get €30 fine and maybe 2 points. Paddy with ten pints on him would get 1 year. Mick with 4 bald tyres, talking on his phone after 15 pints, with no insurance/nct/tax and no licence wouldn't get that. He is wrong, but he is being used to send out the speed kills message.

grogi

murphthesmurf wrote: »

Not condoning any of it, he was in the wrong. 2 years is too harsh when Mary in her Quashquai on her mobile would only get €30 fine and maybe 2 points. Paddy with ten pints on him would get 1 year. Mick with 4 bald tyres, talking on his phone after 15 pints, with no insurance/nct/tax and no licence wouldn't get that. He is wrong, but he is being used to send out the speed kills message.

For the aforementioned Paddy it does not matter, as he would not honour the ban anyway...

Rubberchikken

When did it become 160/165 mph on a motorway here.
Any speed sign on them i see says 120. Huh.

bear1

I'd be all for deresricting our motorway during the hours of say 1am to 5am.
But.. educate the population first.
223 is a piss take and he shouldn't be surprised the judge made a show of him. But.. 120 is a ridiculous limit and should be at least 140.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Neilw wrote: »

223 isn't really that fast, most modern diesels would do that and anything with a bit of power would sail past.
They didn't mention the time of day or conditions.

Some higher end diesels might but the vast majority of diesel cars on the road would get no where near it (mostly because their stupid diesel engines/gearboxes ran out of steam at 3000rpms :P