People overtaking you when you're going the speed limit

shelly22

Why do people over take you even though you are going the speed limit.
I am only starting to go further afield with my driving, have mostly being driving locally
I was going the speed limit of 60 yet people were over taking me
It really is annoying as I felt I was doing something wrong (going to slow) but I was'nt

Owryan

People don't want to be stuck behind learner drivers. It happened to me as a learner and now I do it myself, dunno why.

listermint

Drive for yourself not for anyone else. If others want to overtake you then let them its no slight on you they have their own vehicles.

pablo128

Why are they annoying you by overtaking? Once its safely done I can't see the problem.

Tenigate

Some people dont like being stuck behind a learner, not because you're driving too slow, but because you may drive inefficiently at other times such as being scared to overtake a slow-moving vehicle.

It's not your job to police the speed limit.

Just have respect for other drivers. You can do this by :
- accelerating promptly when moving off, turning a bend or when speed limit increases
- keeping close to the left, and don't speed up when you're being overtaken (slow down slightly when being overtaken if safe/necessary). Particularly on a windy road, some drivers may want to get ahead of you on a straight with a broken white line
- don't brake all the time
- don't slow down excessively as you approach a green traffic light
- don't slow down while driving through an amber light (the cars behind you are also trying to get through on amber)
- remember that your needle might say 58, but your actual speed could be 55. Another driver may be happy to sit at a more liberal 62, so to them you're driving too slow.

OldMrBrennan83

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Eire Go Brach

It's not just the L. Some people don't do speed limits. N7 well over 50% are over the speed limit. M50 just as bad.

Once they don't put you in danger let them be.

punisher5112

Op keep as close as possible to left and let them pass.

Do not be one that gets upset or annoyed and pulls out as close to or over the centre line.

Let them on.

shelly22

I was staying in the left to let cars pass me if they wanted to
It was my first time driving on roads like that so just getting used to drivers on bigger roads

Dravokivich

People see an emtpy road ahead of'em and just want to make use of it. You're better off withem in front of you than behind you to be honest.

ronnie085

Tenigate wrote: »

- don't slow down while driving through an amber light (the cars behind you are also trying to get through on amber)

Not really best advice to give a learner, amber is basically stop unless it unsafe to do so, not a charge to see who can cut it the finest before the lights turn red

Hoboo

[quote=Tenigate;104639058

Just have respect for other drivers. You can do this by :
- accelerating promptly when speed limit increases
- keeping close to the left
- don't slow down while driving through an amber light (the cars behind you are also trying to get through [/quote]

I'm guessing this is sarcasm, can't be serious.

A speed limit is exactly that. A limit. In perfect conditions. You're not required or expected to max it out.

You don't need to keep to the left, you risk hitting potholes, a danger to everyone.

No one should be trying to get through an amber light. You're supposed to stop at an amber, unless it's unsafe to do so.

Sleeper12

shelly22 wrote:

Why do people over take you even though you are going the speed limit. I am only starting to go further afield with my driving, have mostly being driving locally I was going the speed limit of 60 yet people were over taking me It really is annoying as I felt I was doing something wrong (going to slow) but I was'nt

Shelly some drivers break the speed limit and some aren't patient enough to stay behind a learner driver. Best thing you can do is ignore them while being totally aware of them at all times.

A good driver will see your L plates and give you plenty of space and time. If you stall at lights ignore the ignorant drivers that like to sound their horn. They are in the wrong. Your L plates are a signal to other drivers to be patient. Everyone starts somewhere and I doubt that there is a driver in history that hasn't stalled the car at lights.

Good luck with your driving

Tenigate

ronnie085 wrote: »

Not really best advice to give a learner, amber is basically stop unless it unsafe to do so, not a charge to see who can cut it the finest before the lights turn red

If a learner or another person is going through an amber light, or a green light that turns amber, they should do so as efficiently as possible. Particularly at right turns I've seen drivers crawl at dangerously slow speeds.
Rightly or wrongly other drivers will tailgate in this situation.

endacl

Tenigate wrote: »

don't slow down while driving through an amber light (the cars behind you are also trying to get through on amber)

You can ignore this one, OP. As you know, from reading your rules of the road, amber means stop. Or more specifically, to not proceed beyond the stop line unless you are so close that you would be required to stop dangerously.

Courtesy and consideration of other road users does not extend to accommodating their bad habits, even if they genuinely believe that amber means 'just one or two more cars'.

endacl

Tenigate wrote: »

Rightly or wrongly other drivers will tailgate in this situation.

And they'll be the ones to cause the bump and pay the claim.

5uspect

The speedo in a lot of cars overstate your speed. Mine is out by as much as 9kmph.
http://www.civinfo.com/wiki/index.php?title=Is_the_speedo_accurate%3F

So I stick my cruise control at 129 kmph on the motorway, which I've confirmed to be 120 actual with two different GPS devices.

Dravokivich

Tenigate wrote: »

If a learner or another person is going through an amber light, or a green light that turns amber, they should do so as efficiently as possible. Particularly at right turns I've seen drivers crawl at dangerously slow speeds.
Rightly or wrongly other drivers will tailgate in this situation.

That's their problem. Not the driver's in front. It's ideas like yours that congests traffic at junctions becuase someone rushes into it and blocks others.

And... Do you turn at speed or only expect one to do so as the lights transition?

Dublingirl80

The limit should be the limit, whatever kind of road it is, or how empty. People's attitudes that everyone needs to make way for them and get out of their way when they decide to break the law and break the speed limit is probably what causes a lot of accidents. For some reason Irish people seem to have accepted drink driving is wrong but don't seem to realise that speeding is putting others lives at risk and is also wrong. It's not as simple as leave them to it, they could crash head on into someone while over taking or going too fast for the road they're on.

pablo128

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

It's not as simple as leave them to it, they could crash head on into someone while over taking or going too fast for the road they're on.

Well let them go and they can crash into someone else rather than holding them up and risking them crashing into you.

murphthesmurf

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

The limit should be the limit, whatever kind of road it is, or how empty. People's attitudes that everyone needs to make way for them and get out of their way when they decide to break the law and break the speed limit is probably what causes a lot of accidents. For some reason Irish people seem to have accepted drink driving is wrong but don't seem to realise that speeding is putting others lives at risk and is also wrong. It's not as simple as leave them to it, they could crash head on into someone while over taking or going too fast for the road they're on.

This hole 'speed is the work of the devil and will kill us all' was all started in places like Britain to justify all the speed cameras they put up everywhere. Bad/careless driving kills. If you are on a nice open road with next to no hazards how will doing 110-120 kph instead of 100 suddenly result in a catastrophic disaster? If people drive 20 over the limit past a school or down the local high street then of course this is dangerous. But this is careless ignorance and bad driving.
The biggest danger you will face on the road today is people on their phones. That person that just overtook you at 20kph over the limit is at least paying attention. The person sat behind you weaving around on whilst they're on Facebook hasn't an f-ing clue what's going on.
OP pay more attention to your own driving and less to others and you'll be a good driver.
Good luck with your test.

ronnie085

5uspect wrote: »

The speedo in a lot of cars overstate your speed. Mine is out by as much as 9kmph.
http://www.civinfo.com/wiki/index.php?title=Is_the_speedo_accurate%3F

So I stick my cruise control at 129 kmph on the motorway, which I've confirmed to be 120 actual with two different GPS devices.

Gps not very accurate, accuracy is lower the faster you travel, off top of my head 3 per cent, from using running watch on same route there can be a very big difference, so Speedo not v accurate but you still thrust it to read 129kph

Dublingirl80

pablo128 wrote: »

Well let them go and they can crash into someone else rather than holding them up and risking them crashing into you.

Yeah I agree just leave them at it but I don't agree with people saying it's ok, if everyone went around speeding there'd be even more accidents. Nobody's in enough of a rush to put anyone else in danger regardless. There's nothing you can do about it at the time, but in my opinion it doesn't make it acceptable.

Dublingirl80

murphthesmurf wrote: »

This hole 'speed is the work of the devil and will kill us all' was all started in places like Britain to justify all the speed cameras they put up everywhere. Bad/careless driving kills. If you are on a nice open road with next to no hazards how will doing 110-120 kph instead of 100 suddenly result in a catastrophic disaster? If people drive 20 over the limit past a school or down the local high street then of course this is dangerous. But this is careless ignorance and bad driving.
The biggest danger you will face on the road today is people on their phones. That person that just overtook you at 20kph over the limit is at least paying attention. The person sat behind you weaving around on whilst they're on Facebook hasn't an f-ing clue what's going on.
OP pay more attention to your own driving and less to others and you'll be a good driver.
Good luck with your test.

Obviously being on a phone is even worse but the fact is that if someone is hit by a car, the speed drastically effects the survival chances, and everyone thinks they're in control until something unexpected happens and an accident ensues. Even if its not every single accident, it can't be denied that a lot of accidents you hear about are probably made worse or cause by people going faster than the speed limit/ what is safe at that time. People driving have as much responsibility as a train driver/ pilot etc. Just follow the rules and keep to the speed limit or don't drive.

beefburrito

I think those who go over the limit or have a lack of respect for learner drivers are tossers.

I drive a fairly powerful car and stick to the limit's.
I love seeing someone over take me and drive into the scope of one of those speed vans lol
It's great another 80 euro's in the coffers of the state.

The amount of vankers I seen caught on the Limerick side of the Shannon tunnel is hilarious.

There's also a speed van tucked in after the NewmarketonFergus exit on the motor way from Limerick to Galway another place for vankers to get caught quite easily....


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sKeith

ronnie085 wrote: »

Gps not very accurate, accuracy is lower the faster you travel, off top of my head 3 per cent, from using running watch on same route there can be a very big difference, so Speedo not v accurate but you still thrust it to read 129kph

http://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/how-accurate-is-a-car-speedometer/

ronnie085

sKeith wrote: »

ronnie085 wrote: »

Gps not very accurate, accuracy is lower the faster you travel, off top of my head 3 per cent, from using running watch on same route there can be a very big difference, so Speedo not v accurate but you still thrust it to read 129kph

http://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/how-accurate-is-a-car-speedometer/

Fair enough, i won't trust real time GPS, from running at 8/9 mph the variation is mad, can the error not go the other way, can 110 KPH really mean 120???

Avatar MIA

shelly22 wrote: »

I was going the speed limit of 60 yet people were over taking

Wouldn't the speed limit be 62 miles ph plus change

Yeah, drive your car and don't be influenced by the speed of others.

Teyla Emmagan

Only drive for yourself. It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing on the road. If they want to overtake you let them off. The only person you need to be concerned about is you.

sKeith

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Wouldn't the speed limit be 62 miles ph plus change

Yeah, drive your car and don't be influenced by the speed of others.

Id guess they mean the 40mph signs, not the 60mph (100) ones.

thefa

A problem I see more so in 80 and 100 km/h zones in country roads is getting caught behind someone who, because of specific road inexperience or it's just not their driving style, are slow for large portions but they are then up to the speed limit when an overtaking opportunity comes up on a straight. It makes a difference over a long journey being behind this person especially if you are say stuck behind the person in front and potentially having more cars behind you which is no fun on country roads where some think tail-gating is a good idea.

We all want to arrive to our destination safe but have different ideas on how we want to drive there. Unfortunately, there's a nasty, entitled streak to many people when they get behind the wheel of a car that can create dangerous situations and it's not exclusive to people speeding.

Avatar MIA

sKeith wrote: »

Id guess they mean the 40mph signs, not the 60mph (100) ones.

As in Northern Ireland? Possible.

sKeith

Avatar MIA wrote: »

As in Northern Ireland? Possible.

How is the limit 62 and change then?
The limit of 60mph is the limit. What you get fined at is a certain speed over the limit.
Anyhow, this ain't helping op.

Dave147

sKeith wrote:

How is the limit 62 and change then? The limit of 60mph is the limit. What you get fined at is a certain speed over the limit. Anyhow, this ain't helping op.

Assuming he's referring to 100kmph which is just over 62mph.

BarryD2

It's 'L Plate-itis'. Other drivers see a car in front of them with an L plate and want to overtake asap. I've driven hundreds of thousands of miles over 30+ years and would drive safely and efficiently. Yet when I drive the car our daughter is learning in, I experience much the same. It's very noticeable compared to when I drive the other car without L plates.

Not much to be done about. Let people overtake if they want but don't let them bully you into the hard shoulder. Keep an eye on their antics in your mirror however and be prepared to make space if they misjudge oncoming traffic badly in their efforts to get past.

Dublingirl80

thefa wrote: »

A problem I see more so in 80 and 100 km/h zones in country roads is getting caught behind someone who, because of specific road inexperience or it's just not their driving style, are slow for large portions but they are then up to the speed limit when an overtaking opportunity comes up on a straight. It makes a difference over a long journey being behind this person especially if you are say stuck behind the person in front and potentially having more cars behind you which is no fun on country roads where some think tail-gating is a good idea.

We all want to arrive to our destination safe but have different ideas on how we want to drive there. Unfortunately, there's a nasty, entitled streak to many people when they get behind the wheel of a car that can create dangerous situations and it's not exclusive to people speeding.

I'd love to see someone from another country who had purely safety in mind judged the appropriate speed limits for some of those country roads with 80 and 100 limits, fact is those limits are the max speed and the people driving need to make a judgement on how fast is appropriate for the road. On the straight people can overtake and until then, people need to have patience especially on roads where realistically those limits are a bit mad anyway. I'm referring to the pretty bad ones with loads of turns and only room for one car. It surprises me there isn't more accidents on those to be honest. Other countries have much better rural roads in my opinion.

sKeith

BarryD2 wrote: »

It's 'L Plate-itis'. Other drivers see a car in front of them with an L plate and want to overtake asap. I've driven hundreds of thousands of miles over 30+ years and would drive safely and efficiently. Yet when I drive the car our daughter is learning in, I experience much the same. It's very noticeable compared to when I drive the other car without L plates.

Not much to be done about. Let people overtake if they want but don't let them bully you into the hard shoulder. Keep an eye on their antics in your mirror however and be prepared to make space if they misjudge oncoming traffic badly in their efforts to get past.

You are doing something wrong if you have not passed your test after 30+ years of driving.
If you have passed your test, don't be lasy, take the 'L' plates down and definetly don't drive on moterways with the L plates or you will be fined, and rightly so.
If you don't think your daughter will put the plates back up before she drives, then put them back up after you have finished using her car.

vg88

As someone who is half way through my lessons I can relate.

For example I drive 60 in a 60 zone, I get over taken dangerously at lights and/or junctions only to catch up at the next set of lights. I've been flashed, honked and almost reared ended by these lunatics.

This and people on their phones are what concern me now as I drive.

pablo128

I have few issues when I drive my Avensis. From time to time I drive my partners Yaris, at pretty much the same speeds, and I have morons itching to get past. As I would drive it in urban areas, this includes a good few cases of undertaking in bus lanes.

Cocobongo

5uspect wrote: »

The speedo in a lot of cars overstate your speed. Mine is out by as much as 9kmph.
http://www.civinfo.com/wiki/index.php?title=Is_the_speedo_accurate%3F

So I stick my cruise control at 129 kmph on the motorway, which I've confirmed to be 120 actual with two different GPS devices.

True, same here. Tyres / wheels being balanced gives a bit of difference too

martingriff

Tenigate wrote: »

Some people dont like being stuck behind a learner, not because you're driving too slow, but because you may drive inefficiently at other times such as being scared to overtake a slow-moving vehicle.

It's not your job to police the speed limit.

Just have respect for other drivers. You can do this by :
- accelerating promptly when moving off, turning a bend or when speed limit increases
- keeping close to the left, and don't speed up when you're being overtaken (slow down slightly when being overtaken if safe/necessary). Particularly on a windy road, some drivers may want to get ahead of you on a straight with a broken white line
- don't brake all the time
- don't slow down excessively as you approach a green traffic light
- don't slow down while driving through an amber light (the cars behind you are also trying to get through on amber)
- remember that your needle might say 58, but your actual speed could be 55. Another driver may be happy to sit at a more liberal 62, so to them you're driving too slow.

Your meant to do this. The light is not to speed up to get through plus 6 seconds after

brooke 2

endacl wrote: »

You can ignore this one, OP. As you know, from reading your rules of the road, amber means stop. Or more specifically, to not proceed beyond the stop line unless you are so close that you would be required to stop dangerously.

Courtesy and consideration of other road users does not extend to accommodating their bad habits, even if they genuinely believe that amber means 'just one or two more cars'.

Exactly. Don't let those testosterone fuelled assholes intimidate you!!

Cocobongo

martingriff wrote: »

Your meant to do this. The light is not to speed up to get through plus 6 seconds after

I’d only stop at amber if there’s nobody behind, normally people love to get as close as possible, so that would almost be a guaranteed hit to the back of my car.. could have gotten insurance to do repairs for my car or write it iff so many times, but why all the fuss...

Edit : every situation is different though

punisher5112

pablo128 wrote: »

I have few issues when I drive my Avensis. From time to time I drive my partners Yaris, at pretty much the same speeds, and I have morons itching to get past. As I would drive it in urban areas, this includes a good few cases of undertaking in bus lanes.

You ain't driving it properly....


You need to drive it like you stole it.

Funny you say that I had similar me been 6 foot and just a big guy it use to rise some people into very strange situation of road rage and such where I wouldn't get in my normal cars...

martingriff

sKeith wrote: »

You are doing something wrong if you have not passed your test after 30+ years of driving.
If you have passed your test, don't be lasy, take the 'L' plates down and definetly don't drive on moterways with the L plates or you will be fined, and rightly so.
If you don't think your daughter will put the plates back up before she drives, then put them back up after you have finished using her car.

You don't need to as be fined on a motorway I am sure once they know who drove the car and can see the full licence no fine.
Why should he take them up and down when he is in the car its a hassle and might forget sometime.

sKeith

Cocobongo wrote: »

I’d only stop at amber if there’s nobody behind, normally people love to get as close as possible, so that would almost be a guaranteed hit to the back of my car.. could have gotten insurance to do repairs for my car or write it iff so many times, but why all the fuss...

Edit : every situation is different though

What you are describing is the reason for the addition of "unless it is unsafe to do so", into the rule on amber lights.

martingriff

Cocobongo wrote: »

I’d only stop at amber if there’s nobody behind, normally people love to get as close as possible, so that would almost be a guaranteed hit to the back of my car.. could have gotten insurance to do repairs for my car or write it iff so many times, but why all the fuss...

Edit : every situation is different though

Well the rules of the road is you are meant to stop unless unsafe to do so. If the person hits your car its there problem get them to fix it as they are in the wrong

Pinch Flat

Couple of reasons. Firstly, all drivers were born already knowing how to drive. Secondly, and hopefully you'll pass and find this out - Irish drivers are incapable of driving at the speed limit and suffer from a thing called "overtakeitis". Have it in my neighbourhood - drive at 50 kph in a residential area and you'll either be tailgated aggressively or undertaken in a bus lane, if it's available.

Cocobongo

martingriff wrote: »

Well the rules of the road is you are meant to stop unless unsafe to do so. If the person hits your car its there problem get them to fix it as they are in the wrong

The insurance companies would mostly always see the person “doing your back” as a responsible one for the accident 👌ðŸ»

jsd1004

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Only drive for yourself. It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing on the road. If they want to overtake you let them off. The only person you need to be concerned about is you.

Drove at 100kph in a 100kph limit zone today. Driver behind me with his fogs on driving 4m from my back bumper. I will not illegally enter a hard shoulder to let a speeding driver past due to pedestrians cyclists breakdowns etc. I stuck to the left as much as possible to let the muppet past but he just stuck on my bumper. I am always conscious of cars around me as you can not have an accident with another car if they are not near. I was tempted to pull in just to let the muppet pass. Please remember if you cannot pass safely.. back off..it costs you nothing and gives you a chance if something mad happens that kills both you and the other cars occupants.

punisher5112

jsd1004 wrote: »

Drove at 100kph in a 100kph limit zone today. Driver behind me with his fogs on driving 4m from my back bumper. I will not illegally enter a hard shoulder to let a speeding driver past due to pedestrians cyclists breakdowns etc. I stuck to the left as much as possible to let the muppet past but he just stuck on my bumper. I am always conscious of cars around me as you can not have an accident with another car if they are not near. I was tempted to pull in just to let the muppet pass. Please remember if you cannot pass safely.. back off..it costs you nothing and gives you a chance if something mad happens that kills both you and the other cars occupants.

If it has broken yellow lines one may move over to allow a safe pass once road ahead is clear.


I see this daily where many get upset with someone wanting to overtake where its actually safe enough to do so.

There are those that speed up to prevent a pass and those that move out to block.