Liquid cooling

dmcm_90

I'm thinking of upgrading my Corsair H60 all in one cooling kit.
I want to know weather to buy a kit with all the bits or buy individual parts as I want a full liquid cooling setup in my system
Specs are
Asus m5a97 r2.0
Amd 8350
R9 380x
250gb ssd
2tb storage
120gb Ubuntu
320gb
1000w psu
Dvd rw drive
5 fans
4 cathodes
2 led strips
Coarsair 750 D case

I do plan on upgrading in future but for now I'm keeping the system the way it is.
I just want to reduce noise and heat

Cuddlesworth

You would be a bit pushed to find anything other then a CPU block and if you did, I don't think the money would be worth it. Simply spending the money you would want for WC on a better cpu/mobo/memory combo would be far more worth it.

RossieMan

Water-cooling a 8350? Has it ever been done? Really not worth it.

TerrorFirmer

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

You would be a bit pushed to find anything other then a CPU block and if you did, I don't think the money would be worth it. Simply spending the money you would want for WC on a better cpu/mobo/memory combo would be far more worth it.

Exactly what I was thinking. It seems a bit redundant to install water cooling on a lower end setup.

dmcm_90

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

You would be a bit pushed to find anything other then a CPU block and if you did, I don't think the money would be worth it. Simply spending the money you would want for WC on a better cpu/mobo/memory combo would be far more worth it.

Thanks I plan on up upgrading my motherboard board in the future to a gaming one that will take my am 8350 and I'll get 16gb ram as iv 8gb. My cpu does get hot when gaming for long periods of time that's why I'm looking for a better wc

TerrorFirmer

You would be far better off just buying a new CPU, board and DDR4 ram. A Ryzen 1600 would be ideal. The FX series are really poor at this point, even the FX-8350 is slower than an i3 in a lot of games, sometimes around the same speed as a Pentium processor.

Getting a new motherboard for the same CPU would definitely be a waste.

game4it70

dmcm_90 wrote: »

Thanks I plan on up upgrading my motherboard board in the future to a gaming one that will take my am 8350 and I'll get 16gb ram as iv 8gb. My cpu does get hot when gaming for long periods of time that's why I'm looking for a better wc

I've been water cooling for about 10 years and I have to agree with the guys above that its not really worth it for your rig.

If you were planing to change your motherboard I'd sell the cpu and mobo you have now and add that to the amount you were going to be using for a new mobo.You could get a much cooler running cpu/mobo combo than your current cpu.

dmcm_90

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

You would be far better off just buying a new CPU, board and DDR4 ram. A Ryzen 1600 would be ideal. The FX series are really poor at this point, even the FX-8350 is slower than an i3 in a lot of games, sometimes around the same speed as a Pentium processor.

Getting a new motherboard for the same CPU would definitely be a waste.

I only have the cpu about 2 years . I find the speed better than my old fx 4170 but the temp us higher on idle.it can handle all the latest games with out any problems

K.O.Kiki

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I only have the cpu about 2 years . I find the speed better than my old fx 4170 but the temp us higher on idle.it can handle all the latest games with out any problems

It is indeed faster than the FX 4170, but understand that FX-8350 actually released in 2012.

I wouldn't throw a full custom loop at a CPU as old as that.

Upgrade the GPU if anything.

Lu Tze

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I only have the cpu about 2 years . I find the speed better than my old fx 4170 but the temp us higher on idle.it can handle all the latest games with out any problems

The point people are making, is you will spend more on doing a custom loop than you would upgrading your PC and selling the old parts, and the custom loop will result in less performance than the upgrade would. Your probably looking at maybe 10% gain with the custom loop (probably costing more) versus maybe 30% gain with the upgrade (costing less).

Up to yourself obviously, but I only really see water cooling as option if you are going for very high over clock (on high end hardware) or if you are trying to reduce noise.

TerrorFirmer

Lu Tze wrote: »

The point people are making, is you will spend more on doing a custom loop than you would upgrading your PC and selling the old parts, and the custom loop will result in less performance than the upgrade would. Your probably looking at maybe 10% gain with the custom loop (probably costing more) versus maybe 30% gain with the upgrade (costing less).

Up to yourself obviously, but I only really see water cooling as option if you are going for very high over clock (on high end hardware) or if you are trying to reduce noise.

In some games the performance increase going to an i5 or Ryzen CPU is far higher than 30% even.

But in general, yeah, if you're happy with the FX from a performance POV, absolutely hang into it, but it's more about economics, it just wouldn't make sense to spend a lot of money on an expensive loop.

dmcm_90

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

In some games the performance increase going to an i5 or Ryzen CPU is far higher than 30% even.

But in general, yeah, if you're happy with the FX from a performance POV, absolutely hang into it, but it's more about economics, it just wouldn't make sense to spend a lot of money on an expensive loop.

I'm just looking for the best value for money on weather to buy a kit or buy individual parts. I will eventually upgrade my cpu, mb and gpu.
At the moment I want to reduce the heat of cpu and keep the system quiet. My cpu gets over 65c with the all in one corsair h60 on full load

K.O.Kiki

If you want lower noise, get an Arctic Liquid Freezer, or Be Quiet Silent Loop

https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=coolwsets&xf=4006_Arctic%7E4006_be+quiet!%7E4008_CPU

Alternatively, replace the stock fan with 2x Noctua NF-P12 in push-pull.

Lu Tze

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I'm just looking for the best value for money on weather to buy a kit or buy individual parts. I will eventually upgrade my cpu, mb and gpu.
At the moment I want to reduce the heat of cpu and keep the system quiet. My cpu gets over 65c with the all in one corsair h60 on full load

65c on full load is good, that would be normal

If you water cool, and then upgrade, you will need to fork out for a new CPU block when you do.

I can't advise on parts, I've never built a custom loop, and likely never will! If you are determined to go that way, despite all the advice to the contrary, I'm sure somebody here could suggest parts/suppliers.

dmcm_90

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

If you want lower noise, get an Arctic Liquid Freezer, or Be Quiet Silent Loop

https://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=coolwsets&xf=4006_Arctic%7E4006_be+quiet!%7E4008_CPU

Alternatively, replace the stock fan with 2x Noctua NF-P12 in push-pull.

I'm not looking for another all in one I want to be able to cool gpu and the rest of the part's with a full wc. My cpu came with stock cooler and I didn't use it as I had a all in one h60 corsair I bought when I had quad and 4170

Serephucus

Forget what you've got. If you've got enough money for a custom loop (usually at least €400), then you've got enough for a platform upgrade.

Get a 1600 with a B350 board.

Forget water cooling what you've got. 10/10 useless.

The others have all said this, and I can't stress it enough: It makes absolutely no sense to put any more money into the components you already have.

game4it70

One thing to note that you can get kits from EK that come with all you need to cool the CPU.All off that kit can be reused if upgrading bar maybe a bit more tubing.

You will really struggle to find a block for the GPU and even if you did it would probably cost you more than the card is worth.
Only option is a universal block for the gpu but then you need to find passive heatsinks for the vram and vrms.

Cuddlesworth

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I want to be able to cool gpu and the rest of the part's with a full wc

If you really want to WC then go ahead and WC your system. Because you will gain nothing out of it.

If you want more performance then spend the money on a upgrade, not WC.

wotzgoingon

I will mirror everyone else and say that a full watercooled system is a waste based on the components you have. Did you even price a GPU block the are quite expensive if you buy a proper good one from a reputable company.

As was said upgrade to a Ryzen system way better performance. Even Intel would agree with me....

deceit

Lu Tze wrote: »

65c on full load is good, that would be normal

If you water cool, and then upgrade, you will need to fork out for a new CPU block when you do.

I can't advise on parts, I've never built a custom loop, and likely never will! If you are determined to go that way, despite all the advice to the contrary, I'm sure somebody here could suggest parts/suppliers.

On the Fx range of cpu's about 60 is equal to about 100 Degrees. The offset is massive on the cpu's.
I would say 105 is actually overheating.

For OP:
With being probably the biggest fan of watercooling here, I wouldn't recommend it but if you want to do it:
Xspc have the raystorm block for am3 so you could buy parts (get the cpu block second hand so you wouldn't lose much on it if you upgrade).
Buy each part separate so you don't lose much when you upgrade cpu blocks in the future.
Go with Xspc raystorm as you can change out the block top for other cpu's in the future when needed.

K.O.Kiki

OP if you're still paying attention to this thread, please upgrade instead of buying a loop.

Gehad_JoyRider

I used to have FX8350, it served me so well.

The CPU is ok but in the world of gaming, some task's it excels in tho to be fair but gaming may not be one. if I was to do anything Id stick a 120 mill corsair water cooler and run it at 4.4 GHz.

if you have the money for water cooling, save it go with a ryzen build and a 1080 m.2

Don't through to much at old gear.

dmcm_90

My motherboard died on me and now I'm looking for the best value on a cpu, mb and ram and ssd along with wc later on in the build

dmcm_90

I have upgraded my desktop last weekend
My specs are
Ryzen 5 1600x
Corsair vengeance 16gb Rgb (8x2)
Drevo 120 ssd (windows 10)
Seagate barracuda 2tb (storage)
250gb hdd (Ubuntu)
Psu 1000w still the same
Gpu r9 380x still the same
Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3
Dvd rom still the same
Corsair h60 still the same

Samuel T. Cogley

Water cooling is only worth it at the bleedin edge. Otherwise you're better off spending the money on better parts. I also find that although it's a constant noise so easier to filter out, an air cooled rig is quieter at idle. I actually regret watercooling.

dmcm_90

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I'm thinking of upgrading my Corsair H60 all in one cooling kit.
I want to know weather to buy a kit with all the bits or buy individual parts as I want a full liquid cooling setup in my system
Specs are
Asus m5a97 r2.0
Amd 8350
R9 380x
250gb ssd
2tb storage
120gb Ubuntu
320gb
1000w psu
Dvd rw drive
5 fans
4 cathodes
2 led strips
Coarsair 750 D case

I do plan on upgrading in future but for now I'm keeping the system the way it is.
I just want to reduce noise and heat

I have upgraded my desktop last weekend
My specs are
Ryzen 5 1600x
Corsair vengeance 16gb Rgb (8x2)
Drevo 120 ssd (windows 10)
Seagate barracuda 2tb (storage)
250gb hdd (Ubuntu)
Psu 1000w still the same
Gpu r9 380x still the same
Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3
Dvd rom still the same
Corsair h60 still the same

dmcm_90

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Water cooling is only worth it at the bleedin edge. Otherwise you're better off spending the money on better parts. I also find that although it's a constant noise so easier to filter out, an air cooled rig is quieter at idle. I actually regret watercooling.

I'm all ready after spending 660 on an upgrade to ryzen and now want a custom loop to over clock

Samuel T. Cogley

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I'm all ready after spending 660 on an upgrade to ryzen and now want a custom loop to over clock

You'd be better off spending the money on a better processor. At a push an AIO cooler is an expensive luxury, a full on water cooling set up is more for show, there's maybe 10% extra in it from a good air cooler to an AIO, and maybe 7% from an AIO to a custom loop.

In fact the main reason for a custom loop would be very quiet operation but that get's bloody expensive very quickly. It also adds quite a bit of maintenance, extra points of failure and reduces the resale value vs. what you paid.

All that said this is a hobby for most of us and if you get some joy out of water cooling your set up more power to you, I loved every second of doing all my set ups. These days though I save myself the hassle.

ED E

dmcm_90 wrote: »

Drevo 120 ssd (windows 10)

Chingrish on the label, wouldnt be my first choice for the fiver saving.

wotzgoingon

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

You'd be better off spending the money on a better processor. At a push an AIO cooler is an expensive luxury, a full on water cooling set up is more for show, there's maybe 10% extra in it from a good air cooler to an AIO, and maybe 7% from an AIO to a custom loop.

In fact the main reason for a custom loop would be very quiet operation but that get's bloody expensive very quickly. It also adds quite a bit of maintenance, extra points of failure and reduces the resale value vs. what you paid.

All that said this is a hobby for most of us and if you get some joy out of water cooling your set up more power to you, I loved every second of doing all my set ups. These days though I save myself the hassle.

You are 100% right regarding watercooling. People spend a fortune on it just to make their system look good but there is a fair bit of maintenance involved and then if you are inexperienced and you get the worst thing that can happen you a leak and destroy your expensive components. A air cooler is just as good and can be quiet enough as well.

TerrorFirmer

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I'm all ready after spending 660 on an upgrade to ryzen and now want a custom loop to over clock

It really is a waste. If you want better performance, you would have gotten it by buying a better CPU instead of ryzen 1600.

I just don't get the obsession with watercooling, unless you've a high end Intel CPU and are aiming for very heavy overclocks (or just want it to look cool) it doesn't make much sense.

A custom loop with Ryzen would be totally pointless unless you only want it for the looks and nothing else...Ryzen aren't very good overclockers and a good air cooler will be fine.

dmcm_90

I'm not spending any more money on a cpu. The cpu I have is grate according to benchmarks i have run. I don't mind spending money on a custom loop. All I want to know when I started this thread is what's the beat value for money.

K.O.Kiki

Graphics cards with 120mm AIO built-in I can understand.

CPU -- just get a big Noctua cooler (NH-U12S, NH-U14S, NH-D15).
Temps are within 3C of even 240mm AIOs yet they're easier to install, cheaper, quieter & more reliable.

Samuel T. Cogley

There isn't really value for money in terms of water cooling. There is a great shop in Birmingham that will help you (over the phone) make sure everything is compatible. I'll look up the invoice end let you know who! Just get a decent D5 pump the rest is what ever your budget is.

deceit

If your not looking to extend the loop in the future this would be fine.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ek-water-blocks-a240-fluid-gaming-performance-water-cooling-kit-wc-9ew-ek.html

If your looking to extend your loop in the future I would go with an copper setup instead.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ek-water-blocks-ek-kit-s240-performance-watercooling-kit-3831109863527-wc-9ac-ek.html

deceit

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Water cooling is only worth it at the bleedin edge. Otherwise you're better off spending the money on better parts. I also find that although it's a constant noise so easier to filter out, an air cooled rig is quieter at idle. I actually regret watercooling.

If you do a watercooled system right a watercooled rig would be much quieter all around.
One of my watercooled systems that I did to be quiet, you cannot tell its on unless you look into it and see the lights in it. Even when running games/video editing its the same.
One huge benefit of watercooling is you don't need to ramp up your fans ever if your loop is big enough. One of my rigs runs 725rpm on fans, they struggle to start its so slow and my main rig is about 1000rpm.

Samuel T. Cogley

deceit wrote: »

If you do a watercooled system right a watercooled rig would be much quieter all around.
One of my watercooled systems that I did to be quiet, you cannot tell its on unless you look into it and see the lights in it. Even when running games/video editing its the same.
One huge benefit of watercooling is you don't need to ramp up your fans ever if your loop is big enough. One of my rigs runs 725rpm on fans, they struggle to start its so slow and my main rig is about 1000rpm.

Willing to bet you hear the pump over the fans though.

dmcm_90

Can we please get back to the original post. Don't want know what cpu is better. I just want to know weather buying individual or a kit would be better value for a custom loop

Samuel T. Cogley

dmcm_90 wrote: »

Can we please get back to the original post. Don't want know what cpu is better. I just want to know weather buying individual or a kit would be better value for a custom loop

By kit do you mean an AIO like a H100i?

If you mean a kit for a custom loop, you'd at least ensure everything is compatible, which can be an issue. Watch out for cheap pumps though you want a D5 pump unless something better has come along since I was at it.

Are you putting the GPU in the loop?

deceit

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Willing to bet you hear the pump over the fans though.

You can't hear the pump at all as it was set up correctly (PWM pump) so yes I would. I've 8 systems in my home at the moment and its the quietest one by far.

deceit

dmcm_90 wrote: »

Can we please get back to the original post. Don't want know what cpu is better. I just want to know weather buying individual or a kit would be better value for a custom loop

If starting on a custom loop start with the one I linked, that will give you good performance and allows for extending (Second link allows you to extend it easier as it is more compatible with 99% of other parts as its copper).

The first loop is like an AIO, it uses aluminum parts like they do so is harder to expand as most extra pieces will be copper. You never mix aluminum and copper.
A kit is the best option to start off with until you know more about watercooling.

dmcm_90

I don't want aio as.I have a corsair h60. I want know weather buy every separate or buy every in kit that's has every thing I need. I did come across an aio that can have extra parts added to it.

deceit

dmcm_90 wrote: »

I don't want aio as.I have a corsair h60. I want know weather buy every separate or buy every in kit that's has every thing I need. I did come across an aio that can have extra parts added to it.

Buy as a kit...

Serephucus

OP: I want best value components
*Insists on buying terrible value components*

Full kits will perform better than AIOs, but the hard wall that Ryzen has means there's really no point in buying one, unless you really just want to have a customer loop, which is fine, but just know it's terrible value. Watercooling always has been. This is coming from someone whose run quite a few systems under water.

Also, AIOs have improved since the H60. Pick up a 280mm AIO (if your case will fit it) and slap either EK Vardars or Noctuas on there, and you'll have 90% of the performance of a 280mm custom loop.

dmcm_90

Thanks but I'd rather a custom loop. There's plenty of people online with custom loops for ryzen and in my opinion ryzen is better than Intel as it's got better bench mark

K.O.Kiki

dmcm_90 wrote: »

Thanks but I'd rather a custom loop. There's plenty of people online with custom loops for ryzen and in my opinion ryzen is better than Intel as it's got better bench mark

If we really can't sway you away from it - use EKWB's configurator:
https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-configurator/

Only CPU, cylindrical pump
€341

CPU+GPU, pump in 5.25" bay
€468

Just be aware that no matter what, you won't break 4.0/4.1GHz on Ryzen 1600x.