When is a movement not a movement

L1985

Hi guys.not sure if this should be a thread on its own but it's a bit of a rant. We bought 5 heifers to the mart a few weeks ago-bad day at the mart so I decided not to sell( dealers were being assholes) so brought them home.was looking through Herdwatch and now I see that all of them are registered as one movement. So I rang the dept of ag and they were unbelievably unhelpful and said bord bias nothing to do with them but it is a movement. Rang the mart and they said no it deff wouldn't show up as a movement so to finish I rang bord bia. They didn't know and had to call me back. Finally they rang back and said that it does count as a movement. Does anyone else have any experience of this?just annoyed as I do think the amount of movements does impact the price.....any thoughts? It obviously suits the mart as it would make people more reluctant to bring them home if the price is right.

Mod note; Pulled a few posts out of chit chat as OP and I reckon it needs a bit of discussion.

Buford T. Justice XIX

L1985 wrote: »

Hi guys.not sure if this should be a thread on its own but it's a bit of a rant. We bought 5 heifers to the mart a few weeks ago-bad day at the mart so I decided not to sell( dealers were being assholes) so brought them home.was looking through Herdwatch and now I see that all of them are registered as one movement. So I rang the dept of ag and they were unbelievably unhelpful and said bord bias nothing to do with them but it is a movement. Rang the mart and they said no it deff wouldn't show up as a movement so to finish I rang bord bia. They didn't know and had to call me back. Finally they rang back and said that it does count as a movement. Does anyone else have any experience of this?just annoyed as I do think the amount of movements does impact the price.....any thoughts? It obviously suits the mart as it would make people more reluctant to bring them home if the price is right.

I think it counts as a movement once they leave the yard. I was told during an inspection that I had to record the movement off and back onto the farm if they go unsold in the mart.

Base price

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I think it counts as a movement once they leave the yard. I was told during an inspection that I had to record the movement off and back onto the farm if they go unsold in the mart.

Therefore anyone bringing livestock to shows would have the same problem. I remember Kovu saying that the movements shown on the mart sales board are actual herd to herd movements rather than mart or show movements. As far as I know herd to herd/B&B movements are considered actual movements when it comes to the 4 movement rule.

L1985

Base price wrote: »

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I think it counts as a movement once they leave the yard. I was told during an inspection that I had to record the movement off and back onto the farm if they go unsold in the mart.

Therefore anyone bringing livestock to shows would have the same problem. I remember Kovu saying that the movements shown on the mart sales board are actual herd to herd movements rather than mart or show movements. As far as I know herd to herd/B&B movements are considered actual movements when it comes to the 4 movement rule.

Well bord bia said to me it counted for them as a movement-the guy agreed with me and said it's a stupid use of the rule because animals have extra movements they shouldn't have. It would be interesting if the mart only counted herd to herd as this wouldn't be accurate with bord bia either.

Lady Haywire

L1985 wrote: »

Hi guys.not sure if this should be a thread on its own but it's a bit of a rant. We bought 5 heifers to the mart a few weeks ago-bad day at the mart so I decided not to sell( dealers were being assholes) so brought them home.was looking through Herdwatch and now I see that all of them are registered as one movement. So I rang the dept of ag and they were unbelievably unhelpful and said bord bias nothing to do with them but it is a movement. Rang the mart and they said no it deff wouldn't show up as a movement so to finish I rang bord bia. They didn't know and had to call me back. Finally they rang back and said that it does count as a movement. Does anyone else have any experience of this?just annoyed as I do think the amount of movements does impact the price.....any thoughts? It obviously suits the mart as it would make people more reluctant to bring them home if the price is right.

Base price wrote: »

Therefore anyone bringing livestock to shows would have the same problem. I remember Kovu saying that the movements shown on the mart sales board are actual herd to herd movements rather than mart or show movements. As far as I know herd to herd/B&B movements are considered actual movements when it comes to the 4 movement rule.

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They will show up as movements on the mart board alright :mad: It's a flaw in the Infoscience software system that most of them use. However, in a factory they're not counted as movements, only herd to herd are counted. I've seen some animals in marts with over 30/40 movements due to shows and being unsold (mostly dealers cattle)

blue5000

I think Lady H has it summed up. If an animal was at 40 shows, then that was 40 times that it was exposed to other animals and possibly a disease risk so if I was buying that animal I'd want to know about it.

In OP's case you brought 5 animals to the mart, they could have been penned with other cattle, or if not, they would at least have nose to nose contact with other cattle. The only difference to being sold is that they weren't on another farm. It's an awkward one alright.

L1985

What just annoyed me was the inconsistency from the Mart telling me it wouldn't count and then bord bia saying it did! I get the point in that there is more exposure to disease but I don't think that exposure is enough to count as a movement given that bord bia penalises past 4. It's such an inefficient system and really penalises you if animals aren't doing well on the day in the Mart.

FeelTheBern

L1985 wrote: »

What just annoyed me was the inconsistency from the Mart telling me it wouldn't count and then bord bia saying it did! I get the point in that there is more exposure to disease but I don't think that exposure is enough to count as a movement given that bord bia penalises past 4. It's such an inefficient system and really penalises you if animals aren't doing well on the day in the Mart.

Fully agree that it's annoying and system should be better - but just to repeat what Lady Haywire said above, while this will show as a movement on the mart board it won't count as a movement for the QA bonus in factory.

L1985

Well I rang bord bia-they rang me back and said it def does count for their purposes....said it was a flaw in the system but it did count....
Now that's not saying they are right as no one seemed to know what they were on about but he checked it and then called me back!!

Muckit

The dept or herdplus should be working on an app that works on a bar reader. Then depending on whether you are the registered herd owner or a potential buyer you could access different amounts of info online about an animal from the physical tag, the blue card or a printed list of lot numbers with bar code along side pinned on noticeboard in mart corridor/office.

The movements section in this app would be transparent. It would show herd to herd moves in one section and also all other moves.

Or it could just be decided that this whole number of movements crack is just another bit of needless bull. If your farm is deemed disease free through your annual herd test and the farm buying is the same, where's the problem?

Using the logic of cattle mixing counting as a movement, If my neighbours cattle break into me, should he be obliged to contact the dept and log it as a movement?

The part time boy

Muckit wrote: »

Using the logic of cattle mixing counting as a movement, If my neighbours cattle break into me, should he be obliged to contact the dept and log it as a movement?

Shhhh dont be giving them ideas