Ras na mBan 2017

The Nutty M

So is there any boardies going?

It is looking like it's going to be another good one. Looking forward to Friday getting drenched on the top of a mountain. The Saturday evening crit should be another fine spectacle.
I might even wait around for the Cannonball Run on Sunday evening too.

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https://twitter.com/RasnamBan/status/905485761545469952

Savage racing on Stage 1 super aggressive, came in at the fastest ETA.

Serious chapeau to all who finished, hard aggressive racing there today.

Beasty

Report on Stage 2

Results & Standings

Belle de Gast from the Netherlands takes a 2s lead into Stage 3

Good to see it covered on RTE news this evening, few down in the clip they showed. Hope everyone is ok.

dastardly00

Stage 1 highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i09joQGJIis

Stage 2 highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8bxtceI5gw

greenspurs

Looking forward to the Crit Saturday evening ..

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Another absolutely savage stage today, 3 crashes, speeds of 75kph+, almost constant attacks, stage ending at the top of mount Leinster.

Serious respect for all who finished, the car we were in cut out at the 18% ramp :wow:

Savage going.

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The live tweeting for the race continues tonight for Stage 5 here (as for every stage) the crit stage, it's gonna be fast and furious!:
https://twitter.com/RasnamBan?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
#rasnamban

dastardly00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqDqIcg0uok

fat bloke

Criterium looked class yesterday. Team GB fairly hoovering up the plaudits!

Always find myself around this time of year wishing I was a girl so I could take part...

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Team Brezih Ladies, Team CCN, the former pink jersey team (and eventual stage winner) controlled the pack for most of the race worth WNT, Ras a great stage. Elinor barker played to exactly her strengths but Belle de Gast is just so strong. She's only racing bikes a year!! (She is a former speed skater).

Elinor has a good lead in GC, barring all incident she'll be the race winner this eve. Eve McCrystal it's top Irish rider in 5th place on GC, she had a great tt yesterday, she's flying after her world championship double on the tandem.

Live updates on Twitter again for the stage (apart from when we run out of coverage!)

cython

Sounds like the finish of the final stage today was chaotic

Beasty

It's understood the incident is not being treated as malicious.

Who in their right mind would run across in front of a large group of cyclists as they sprint for the line

I guess one explanation may be they were not in their right mind

Harrybelafonte

Was offender wearing a kilt? Hope all recover ok.

Tenzor07

Probably something like what this moron did in the UK:

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/man-walks-leicester-castle-classic-road-race/

fat bloke

Bit of an unfortunate and sensationalist headline at the end of what was a hugely successful event run once again on a shoestring budget and the blood, sweat, tears, spare time and holidays of a dedicated bunch of volunteers.

Well done all. Let the above not be anyone's 2017 take-away

dahat

According to Orla Walsh on Insta, her teamate has a fractured shoulder from that incident.

Shocking stuff tbh.

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What fat bloke said.

She is doing ok, she has fractured her shoulder.

But the real story of the event has to be that a huge, international multi day stage race happened on very little resources. It is the first time I have worked on it, and getting a glimpse of what is involved, and how much everyone involved gives to the race is something else. The scale and professionalism of the event is incredible given how scant resources are. It's an amazing achievement for the organisers. I want to come back as a rider some day :pac:
The fact that it has been won by a double Olympic champion and former world champion tells you all you need to know about the standard of racing at the Ras. Savage animals all!

Trekker09

Crit was amazing! Had to laugh when a group of lads on a stag walked past and ended up wearing the yellow t-shirts!!

Well done to all involved and long may it continue.

Said earlier and I'll say again, I'm delighted it got a decent mention on the evening news on RTE and not just an in passing there was some kind of bike race on. It was better covered than the mens race was earlier in the summer!!!!!

Beasty

nee wrote: »

I want to come back as a rider some day :pac:

Well re-incarnation can never be ruled out:p

On the funding point I do have some concerns over the future of this race with An Post dropping out. I don't feel all the attention should be turned to the Ras (which was also reliant on An Post sponsorship) at the expense of this event. Hopefully CI will be able to help get another big sponsor who can support both. However there appears to be a distinct lack of businesses out there who see a great deal of value in supporting national cycling events

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

Well re-incarnation can never be ruled out:p

On the funding point I do have some concerns over the future of this race with An Post dropping out. I don't feel all the attention should be turned to the Ras (which was also reliant on An Post sponsorship) at the expense of this event. Hopefully CI will be able to help get another big sponsor who can support both. However there appears to be a distinct lack of businesses out there who see a great deal of value in supporting national cycling events

Lot of money down on the docks to invest in a google or facebook or what ever Rás but as you say lack of ones who see value in sponsoring cycling. I do feel very strongly though that those tech companies should be investing more in sport and the community here given the money they have. The German supermarkets at least do their bit and maybe given their link to cycling Lidl might be tempted?

greenspurs

I wonder what kind of imput Cycling Ireland have in this marvellous event ?

Beasty

greenspurs wrote: »

I wonder what kind of imput Cycling Ireland have in this marvellous event ?

This is from a thread we had on CI race grants 3 years ago:

jinkypolly wrote: »

So in 3 years the An Post Ras will have received €120,000 while for the same period the An Post Ras na mBan will have received €17,000. That's ridiculous.

Clearly the figures may have moved on, but I'm certainly not seeing evidence of the gap narrowing

greenspurs

Beasty wrote: »

This is from a thread we had on CI race grants 3 years ago:



Clearly the figures may have moved on, but I'm certainly not seeing evidence of the gap narrowing

Once Again - (if the figures are similar/havent changed much) shame on Cycling Ireland, A professionally run event in Ireland, where the Governing body do very little, and a few people do all the work for little return!!
The starters list for this event is top class, and the organisation and "little things" that are done are top class ...
Or, maybe , its run so well because Cycling Ireland ARENT involved ..... :rolleyes:

dastardly00

Highlights on Eurosport on September 17th

Big Mig

Spotted the powers that be on Friday's stage farting around in front of the race in the CI car. Pity they couldn't make better use of it supporting a team instead!

ednwireland

Beasty wrote: »

greenspurs wrote: »

I wonder what kind of imput Cycling Ireland have in this marvellous event ?

This is from a thread we had on CI race grants 3 years ago:

jinkypolly wrote: »

So in 3 years the An Post Ras will have received €120,000 while for the same period the An Post Ras na mBan will have received €17,000. That's ridiculous.

Clearly the figures may have moved on, but I'm certainly not seeing evidence of the gap narrowing

Surely sponsorship is a commercial decision. Made on what the business thinks it will get as a return. The crowds at the ras and national focus in the spring make it a better bet for sponsors surely.

Hope ras na mban gets a good deal looks like a great event.

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ednwireland wrote: »

Surely sponsorship is a commercial decision. Made on what the business thinks it will get as a return. The crowds at the ras and national focus in the spring make it a better bet for sponsors surely.

Hope ras na mban gets a good deal looks like a great event.

There were great crowds out to support the Ras this year, it was trending on Twitter (#5 Thursday I think it was, 24th in the country over all for the week I think) and on the news every night. Coverage in some national papers as well. September is a great time to have it, a post summer back to school lift, a focus in a lull time in general terms.
It does so much for very little, it's a sponsors dream!

greenspurs

ednwireland wrote: »

Surely sponsorship is a commercial decision. Made on what the business thinks it will get as a return. The crowds at the ras and national focus in the spring make it a better bet for sponsors surely.

Hope ras na mban gets a good deal looks like a great event.

The national governing body of the sport shouldnt allow the event to be at the mercy of sponsorship deals !
It could become a major international bike race if C.I did more to help , and if it got that extra bit of a cash injection.


*obviously i dont know the exact details, but as an outsider looking in, it seems the organisers are doing the majority of all aspects of the race.

Beasty

ednwireland wrote: »

Surely sponsorship is a commercial decision. Made on what the business thinks it will get as a return. The crowds at the ras and national focus in the spring make it a better bet for sponsors surely.

Hope ras na mban gets a good deal looks like a great event.

The figures I quoted are not sponsorship. They are how much the national body put in to support the event.

On the sponsorship side, it's my understanding that An Post have been putting significantly more into the Ras than the Ras na mBan

The Ras na mBan also relies on some funding from the National Dairy Council, the IVCA and smaller sponsors, together with financial support from a small number of individuals.

Beasty

greenspurs wrote: »

*obviously i dont know the exact details, but as an outsider looking in, it seems the organisers are doing the majority of all aspects of the race.

There are a small number of extremely dedicated individuals, drawn from the likes of the Women's Commission, some IVCA stalwarts (as well as one or two Boardsies), who devote a hell of a lot of time (and/or indeed cash) to this event precisely because they are left largely to their own devices. TBH though that's also why this event is so good and so well liked by Irish and foreign racers alike

It's an event that many in GB seem to take very seriously, and it's one of the few stage races available for women across Europe, particularly at this level.

greenspurs

Beasty wrote: »

There are a small number of extremely dedicated individuals, drawn from the likes of the Women's Commission, some IVCA stalwarts (as well as one or two Boardsies), who devote a hell of a lot of time (and/or indeed cash) to this event precisely because they are left largely to their own devices. TBH though that's also why this event is so good and so well liked by Irish and foreign racers alike

It's an event that many in GB seem to take very seriously, and it's one of the few stage races available for women across Europe, particularly at this level.

Its amazing that they organise and run this event every year,
I hope that these people dont get fed up of doing all this work every year and give up on it.
As you said its a testament to how good this race that the entry ist is so strong every year.
Chapeau to them all !

fat bloke

nee wrote: »

There were great crowds out to support the Ras this year,........... , it's a sponsors dream!

We'll see! An Post was the main sponsor for both - Rna mBan and Rna bhFear. So both have a big funding hole to fill. Who will fill it is literally the several thousand dollar question

magicbastarder

Any idea how much an post committed to the event? And is it a both or neither affair in terms of sponsorship?

1bryan

nee wrote: »

What fat bloke said.

She is doing ok, she has fractured her shoulder.

But the real story of the event has to be that a huge, international multi day stage race happened on very little resources. It is the first time I have worked on it, and getting a glimpse of what is involved, and how much everyone involved gives to the race is something else. The scale and professionalism of the event is incredible given how scant resources are. It's an amazing achievement for the organisers. I want to come back as a rider some day :pac:
The fact that it has been won by a double Olympic champion and former world champion tells you all you need to know about the standard of racing at the Ras. Savage animals all!

Does this have the backing of one of the clubs in KK? (Deenside or Marble City?). The reason I ask is, if they did, then they deserve massive credit. After following on social media last year I decided to take in a few stages this year. The marshalling was fantastic (some of the marshalls were wearing Kilkenny gaa gear, but I didn't notice any cycling club gear).

Also, the work Valerie puts into this must be nothing short of monumental. When you attend the podium celebrations a lot of praise (rightly) goes out to sponsors and (in this case) Kilkenny county council. But the race organisers should really take a bow. Not just the organisation but the choice of route too. That criterium was thoroughly enjoyable to watch. And a mountaintop finish on Mount Leinster... I'd like to see something like that again in the Ras na Fhir (I can recall one 'mountaintop' finish on Seskin hill a few years back - I'm sure we'd all like to see at least one of these per edition of the race).

The crowds that turned out to watch weren't huge, but that was made up for by the enthusiasm on show. And the cyclists themselves looked delighted to be there (though I did feel sorry for the Bahrainian girl when she dropped out of the crit, and her standing there freezing until one of the marshalls came over to her with some warm clothing).

I also think it's at a great time in the calendar. Things seem to be quietening down a little in pro-cycling, so, in-theory, it should be attracting more attention.

Massive well done to the domestic riders who were well able to mix it with the pros. There's serious talent there, if only CI could do more to harness and develop it.

Here's hoping a new sponsor is found and this race can continue as is. And, if the good people of Kilkenny are in agreement, that it takes place there again in 2018.

1bryan

Trekker09 wrote: »

Crit was amazing! Had to laugh when a group of lads on a stag walked past and ended up wearing the yellow t-shirts!!

Well done to all involved and long may it continue.

That at the crit stage on saturday night? If it's the group of lads I saw then it wasn't a stag. That was a prominent senior hurling team who were in Kilkenny to play a match (and, no doubt, hit the town after).

1bryan

also, in case it hasn't been said before, Ronan Fox is a hero!

magicbastarder

Deleted User wrote: »

Lot of money down on the docks to invest in a google or facebook or what ever Rás but as you say lack of ones who see value in sponsoring cycling. I do feel very strongly though that those tech companies should be investing more in sport and the community here given the money they have. The German supermarkets at least do their bit and maybe given their link to cycling Lidl might be tempted?

the problem with the likes of google or facebook is that they're not in ireland because they want to sell stuff here, per se - they're here for the tax breaks. lidl *do* actually stand to sell more products if they can raise their profile through sponsorship, as they probably have a presence in every provincial town throughout the country.

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1bryan wrote: »

also, in case it hasn't been said before, Ronan Fox is a hero!

This a million times this! Valerie, Ronan, Declan, Dave and Dermot.

No the local cc's weren't formally involved in organising it, the race committee organised the 99 marshals and volunteers themselves. Legends each one! They of course helped out marshalling and as much as they could, but the bulk of the work and actual organising is the committee (5 people) and then out to the volunteers as far as I know.

1bryan

nee wrote: »

This a million times this! Valerie, Ronan, Declan, Dave and Dermot.

No the local cc's weren't formally involved in organising it, the race committee organised the 99 marshals and volunteers themselves. Legends each one! They of course helped out marshalling and as much as they could, but the bulk of the work and actual organising is the committee (5 people) and then out to the volunteers as far as I know.

will definitely sign up to volunteer to marshall (or do something) next year. Amazing achievement to get all this sorted.

greenspurs

nee wrote: »

This a million times this! Valerie, Ronan, Declan, Dave and Dermot.

No the local cc's weren't formally involved in organising it, the race committee organised the 99 marshals and volunteers themselves. Legends each one! They of course helped out marshalling and as much as they could, but the bulk of the work and actual organising is the committee (5 people) and then out to the volunteers as far as I know.

I have marshalled for the last 2 years. Its a huge undertaking by the organisers, so if i can help out a wee bit , i dont mind doing so . They deserve all the help.

cdaly_

fat bloke wrote: »

We'll see! An Post was the main sponsor for both - Rna mBan and Rna bhFear. So both have a big funding hole to fill. Who will fill it is literally the several thousand dollar question

Lidl have a Serious Support sponsorship thing going for Ladies Gaelic. Maybe they'd be interested in diversifying into ladies cycling also?

Trekker09

1bryan wrote: »

That at the crit stage on saturday night? If it's the group of lads I saw then it wasn't a stag. That was a prominent senior hurling team who were in Kilkenny to play a match (and, no doubt, hit the town after).

Ahh OK. Just assumed it was a stag as I didn't pay much attention as my dog was more interested in dragging me around the place.

1bryan

3 of the dominant GB team are selected to ride the worlds

https://twitter.com/BritishCycling/status/907559420246335488

Beasty

One of the things I've suggested to the organisers is investigating whether GB Cycling may be prepared to help support the Ras na mBan, particularly in light of the number of GB riders involved and the experience they gain out of this multi day event. Not sure if it's possible or if UCI rules prohibit "cross-border" support in this way, particularly as CI are already supporting the event. But if you never ask.....

1bryan

Beasty wrote: »

One of the things I've suggested to the organisers is investigating whether GB Cycling may be prepared to help support the Ras na mBan, particularly in light of the number of GB riders involved and the experience they gain out of this multi day event. Not sure if it's possible or if UCI rules prohibit "cross-border" support in this way, particularly as CI are already supporting the event. But if you never ask.....

That's an excellent idea. No one has pockets as deep as BC these days. And it's curious that in the days after, 3 of the GB team are named in the worlds, and one of those secures a contract with one of the bigger teams (though I'm sure that was already in the bag).

I'm sure a 'way' can be found to circumvent any tricky UCI rules (good friday agreement, independent sponsorship from a holding company, contact your local fianna fail councillor, etc).

And were the race to go by the wayside, it would be them that would lose out most (aside from the Irish). The foreign squads change from year to year, but along with the Irish squads, it's nearly a given that the brits will send a development team. Stage races at this level are few and far between.

Another thing that occurred to me was the proximity of the Ras na mBan to the worlds. I would be surprised if some of the so-called bigger names of the sport wouldn't kill for the chance to have a solid 6-days of racing in the legs as preparation. Could there be leverage there somehow, I wonder....

I'd also be curious as to the cost of hosting such an event. I presume the podium, barriers, etc, are carried out by an independent 'event's company who have to be paid. I know the gards have to be paid to police and marshall the event. Then there's insurance, which can't be small.

All the cars were honda, so I presume they were sponsored for the week. I'd imagine all the race organisers and marshalls volunteered their services.

Do teams cover their own costs? Over and above the race entry fee, do they cover their own transport and accommodation costs?

I guess I'm wondering if the cost is attainable via crowdfund if a new sponsor can't be found?

Highlights are on at 16:30 tomorrow on Eurosport 1

fat bloke

Eurosport now!!

Very cool

buffalo

Are the highlights not available on demand with the player? I can't seem to find them.

buffalo

buffalo wrote: »

Are the highlights not available on demand with the player? I can't seem to find them.

It's there if you scroll down on the schedule for today to earlier , but it's greyed out for me right now.