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Self driving buses, trains, trucks etc

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭ GT89


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Thanks to drivers' unions.

    Automated trains have been around for years now. Roll on MetroLink and 24 hour services between the CC, the Airport and Swords!

    Nothing to do with unions in the majority of cases.

    Yes automated trains have been around for some time but nearly all run on dedicated track that is completely closed off to trespassers. None have been introduced to operate on mainline railways.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    GT89 wrote: »
    Yes automated trains have been around for some time but nearly all run on dedicated track that is completely closed off to trespassers. None have been introduced to operate on mainline railways.

    Not yet.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭ GT89


    DaCor wrote: »
    Not yet.

    Do you actually understand the amount of responsibility a train driver has and the amount of training it takes to become one?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 41,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    It will never ever happen for so many reasons to list here.

    The biggest reasons why it won't work are humanity and the individual!
    but the point of self-driving cars is to take the individual out of the equation?
    you're saying it won't work because of the problem it's almost specifically designed to solve?
    i agree with the point i think you're making though - if we could go from no autonomous cars to all autonomous cars with no intervening 'hybrid' period, it'd probably make it easier to engineer. because you wouldn't have to account for human drivers. just get the cars to talk to each other.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 31,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭ dolanbaker


    but the point of self-driving cars is to take the individual out of the equation?


    I think the main push for self driving vehicles is to remove the COST of employing a human to do the driving, business leaders are all for eliminating as much cost from the process as they can thus leaving a larger share of the income stream to come to them.
    Just look at the net wealth of certain multi billionaires to see proof of that as these people are the heads of businesses that are highly automated.


    Just look at how much a company like Amazon could reduce its costs if it didn't need to pay drivers to deliver goods, either directly or via third party couriers.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    GT89 wrote: »
    Do you actually understand the amount of responsibility a train driver has and the amount of training it takes to become one?

    Is it anything like this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    dolanbaker wrote: »
    I think the main push for self driving vehicles is to remove the COST of employing a human to do the driving, business leaders are all for eliminating as much cost from the process as they can thus leaving a larger share of the income stream to come to them.
    Just look at the net wealth of certain multi billionaires to see proof of that as these people are the heads of businesses that are highly automated.


    Just look at how much a company like Amazon could reduce its costs if it didn't need to pay drivers to deliver goods, either directly or via third party couriers.

    Cost is absolutely one of the main drivers (no pun intended) behind the development of autonomous vehicles.

    However other factors that also play into the equation are safety, efficiency and flexibility. Running a service 24 hrs a day 365 days a year is easily done through automated means once established.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,795 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Yay, and then we can talk about the 86% of fatal accidents that are not caused by speeding. But yes, speeding is most definetely the most important issue in road safety, even though it is only the direct cause of 21.7 deaths in Ireland 2019, (by abstraction) which in turn is a whopping 0.29% of all deaths that year. Definitely something to be irate about. Someone should do something.

    'Only' 20 deaths a year? Twenty avoidable, unnecessary deaths, twenty families with an empty chair at Christmas dinner - not 'accidents' because a driver doesn't 'accidentally' press the accelerator - it is a deliberate decision.

    You're damn right that someone should do something.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,837 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    'Only' 20 deaths a year? Twenty avoidable, unnecessary deaths, twenty families with an empty chair at Christmas dinner - not 'accidents' because a driver doesn't 'accidentally' press the accelerator - it is a deliberate decision.

    You're damn right that someone should do something.

    Probably a very large percentage of those 20 deaths woud be those frequent young lads in cars wrapping themselves around trees, walls, buildings incidents you see so many of. Policing speed limts more heavily isn't going to do diddly squat about most of those 'speed' related deaths.

    Mobile phone use is likely a far worse problem than speeding. Drink driving and inattention are worthy of far more concern than speeding.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭ GT89


    DaCor wrote: »
    Is it anything like this?


    If it was that easy it would already be automated long ago


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,795 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Probably a very large percentage of those 20 deaths woud be those frequent young lads in cars wrapping themselves around trees, walls, buildings incidents you see so many of. Policing speed limts more heavily isn't going to do diddly squat about most of those 'speed' realted deaths.

    Mobile phone use is likely a far worse problem than speeding. Drink driving and inattention are worthy of far more concern than speeding.

    In the last RSA review of speeding, about half of those killed were under 25s, so there is indeed a 'boy racer' scenario going on here, but about half of them weren't kids either.

    We need something a bit more radical than just a few more speed vans. We need to start thinking about limiting vehicles being sold to the speeds available on our roads. You know all that clamour for limiting speeds of scooters and eBikes? Let's do it for cars instead.

    Mobile phone use is absolutely endemic, with a majority of drivers admitting to using their phones at the wheel in two recent surveys from insurance companies.


    And I'm OK for tissues, thanks.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 31,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭ dolanbaker


    In the last RSA review of speeding, about half of those killed were under 25s, so there is indeed a 'boy racer' scenario going on here, but about half of them weren't kids either.

    We need something a bit more radical than just a few more speed vans. We need to start thinking about limiting vehicles being sold to the speeds available on our roads. You know all that clamour for limiting speeds of scooters and eBikes? Let's do it for cars instead.

    Mobile phone use is absolutely endemic, with a majority of drivers admitting to using their phones at the wheel in two recent surveys from insurance companies.


    And I'm OK for tissues, thanks.


    Putting speed limiters on vehicles will not stop anyone trying to take a 40km corner at 70 km and crashing. It's relative speed that is the issue, not absolute speed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,837 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    In the last RSA review of speeding, about half of those killed were under 25s, so there is indeed a 'boy racer' scenario going on here, but about half of them weren't kids either.

    We need something a bit more radical than just a few more speed vans. We need to start thinking about limiting vehicles being sold to the speeds available on our roads. You know all that clamour for limiting speeds of scooters and eBikes? Let's do it for cars instead.

    Mobile phone use is absolutely endemic, with a majority of drivers admitting to using their phones at the wheel in two recent surveys from insurance companies.


    And I'm OK for tissues, thanks.


    All that for 20 or so deaths? Get real. You would save tens of thousands of lives by banning sugar and anything containing it, but you know what, there is a limit on what is worth doing to save lives, as they do not have infinite worth.

    You have a bee under your bonet about speeding. It's not a major issue and already gets an incredibly inordinate and inappropriate amount of attention.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 41,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    i'd agree there; i think the great benefit, were autonomous vehicles to become a reality, would be that the roads would become so much less hostile for more vulnerable road users, and not through the reduction of speeding.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭ GT89


    In the last RSA review of speeding, about half of those killed were under 25s, so there is indeed a 'boy racer' scenario going on here, but about half of them weren't kids either.

    We need something a bit more radical than just a few more speed vans. We need to start thinking about limiting vehicles being sold to the speeds available on our roads. You know all that clamour for limiting speeds of scooters and eBikes? Let's do it for cars instead.

    Mobile phone use is absolutely endemic, with a majority of drivers admitting to using their phones at the wheel in two recent surveys from insurance companies.

    And I'm OK for tissues, thanks.

    Another thing that is not generally mentioned is a good a high proportion of fatal RTCs happen outside of urban areas so maybe the Gardai should target country roads more often rather than going for easy prey in Dublin.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭ GT89


    Mobile phone use is absolutely endemic, with a majority of drivers admitting to using their phones at the wheel in two recent surveys from insurance companies.

    Au contraire the amount of cyclists I have seen doing no handers whilst looking at their phone with earphones in.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,604 ✭✭✭ tom1ie


    Pedestrians jogging on road located cycle lanes.
    That’s just dangerous.
    No way to automate them fools though.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 41,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    GT89 wrote: »
    Au contraire the amount of cyclists I have seen doing no handers whilst looking at their phone with earphones in.
    i don't think that contradicts his point though?

    anyway, you do see it occasionally. however, the implications of a cyclist doing it and a motorist doing it are very different in scale.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭ 07Lapierre


    GT89 wrote: »
    Au contraire the amount of cyclists I have seen doing no handers whilst looking at their phone with earphones in.

    Shocking! Just think of the carnage if one of these muppets riding carelessly, ploughed into a car!


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,795 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    dolanbaker wrote: »
    Putting speed limiters on vehicles will not stop anyone trying to take a 40km corner at 70 km and crashing. It's relative speed that is the issue, not absolute speed.

    That depends on how smart the speed limiters are.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,795 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    GT89 wrote: »
    Au contraire the amount of cyclists I have seen doing no handers whilst looking at their phone with earphones in.
    What's earphones got to do with anything? Do you drive around with all windows open and no audio playing?
    GT89 wrote: »
    Another thing that is not generally mentioned is a good a high proportion of fatal RTCs happen outside of urban areas so maybe the Gardai should target country roads more often rather than going for easy prey in Dublin.

    What is this 'easy prey' that you speak of?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭ GT89


    What's earphones got to do with anything? Do you drive around with all windows open and no audio playing?

    There's a big difference between having the radio on in your car and wearing earphones which are likely noise cancelling
    What is this 'easy prey' that you speak of?

    Drivers on the N11 and M50


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭ 07Lapierre


    GT89 wrote: »
    There's a big difference between having the radio on in your car and wearing earphones which are likely noise cancelling



    Drivers on the N11 and M50

    You reckon all cyclists go around wearing noise cancelling headphones? Those things are expensive! Besides, they don't work that well on bikes, as they can't cancel out the wind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,795 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    GT89 wrote: »
    There's a big difference between having the radio on in your car and wearing earphones which are likely noise cancelling



    Drivers on the N11 and M50

    According to some Australian research, cyclists with earphones and music playing hear MORE going on around them than drivers with windows up and no audio playing. So windows down tomorrow then?

    By "drivers", I presume you mean "speeding drivers"?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭ 07Lapierre


    "f we held all drivers to the standard of being able to hear as well as a bicyclist, the only street-legal motor vehicles would be quiet, slow, unenclosed ones such as golf carts. All in all, a bicyclist's decision whether to wear headphones, particularly, open-air headphones -- and of how loudly to play them -- ought to be of as little concern in the law as is the question of how loudly a motorist may play a radio inside a car, or whether a motorcyclist may legally wear earplugs to avoid hearing loss due to wind noise and engine noise."


    http://www.john-s-allen.com/bikexprt/bicycle/hearing.htm


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,604 ✭✭✭ tom1ie


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    "f we held all drivers to the standard of being able to hear as well as a bicyclist, the only street-legal motor vehicles would be quiet, slow, unenclosed ones such as golf carts. All in all, a bicyclist's decision whether to wear headphones, particularly, open-air headphones -- and of how loudly to play them -- ought to be of as little concern in the law as is the question of how loudly a motorist may play a radio inside a car, or whether a motorcyclist may legally wear earplugs to avoid hearing loss due to wind noise and engine noise."


    http://www.john-s-allen.com/bikexprt/bicycle/hearing.htm

    what an utter load of ****e!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭ 07Lapierre


    tom1ie wrote: »
    what an utter load of ****e!

    What? :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    A proof of concept, fully electric cargo ship has been launched and is operating in the coastal water of Norway. It has a human safety crew present for initial trials, but is planned to be set to fully autonomous next year.

    This one ship, once running autonomously, is going to cut the company's costs 90% and is one step closer to a fully autonomous logistics system for the globe.

    Figures like that ensure the march towards autonomous transportation will continue unabated




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Another important milestone just hit

    80 mile journey with no human on board.

    Onwards and upwards!




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 41,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    "the same company has managed to run an 80-mile (129-km) route with absolutely no human on board. "

    bloody nora. this is legal?



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