Weanling prices

Da Boss

Dairy farmer here new to the cattle scene,plan on buying weanlings in near future 300kg . As there being outwintered this year plan on getting hardy angus/herefords?? So what should I be paying for middle of the road 250-300 kg weanlings at current moment??

dohc turbo2

Local mart last wed wasn't great for selling anyway , 300kg black lm bulls were making 550,

Hard Knocks

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Local mart last wed wasn't great for selling anyway , 300kg black lm bulls were making 550,

Nobody could afford to sell at that.
Were they plain?

Water John

Very soft sucklers won't suit, if being outwintered. My inclination in your situation is to pick up stock next March.
Sorry, I know it isn't answering the question you asked, but worth considering.

dohc turbo2

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Nobody could afford to sell at that.
Were they plain?

No to be fair , nice square animals , I was disappointed as I will have some to sell myself later on year

Bass Reeves

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Nobody could afford to sell at that.
Were they plain?

Nobody could afford to buy them at that were they top quality ''E'' and ''U''s

Hard Knocks

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Nobody could afford to buy them at that were they top quality ''E'' and ''U''s

That's 1 side, other side I prefer my suckler calves to be on the boat @ €3/kg, and leave all the dairy bred for Larry & co

Bass Reeves

Hard Knocks wrote: »

That's 1 side, other side I prefer my suckler calves to be on the boat @ €3/kg, and leave all the dairy bred for Larry & co

I be quite happy at that the more that get shipped of all cattle, calves weanlings, yearlings and fat stock the better chance we all have of making a few bob

Gman1987

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Local mart last wed wasn't great for selling anyway , 300kg black lm bulls were making 550,

What mart was that in? very low pricing

bogman_bass

Water John wrote: »

Very soft sucklers won't suit, if being outwintered. My inclination in your situation is to pick up stock next March.
Sorry, I know it isn't answering the question you asked, but worth considering.

depends where you are. I've outwintered U grade blues and Parthenaise claves

Cavanjack

Saw good 450kg bulls less than a year old make €1150-€1200 recently. Any amount of lads to buy them. You'd wonder would there be a penny made on them.

CloughCasey1

Cavanjack wrote: »

Saw good 450kg bulls less than a year old make €1150-€1200 recently. Any amount of lads to buy them. You'd wonder would there be a penny made on them.

Sure they will look well in the fields maring the road!

bogman_bass

And that's exactly why I would never buy a Charolais bullock. Lads seem to be willing to pay €50-€100 more for the colour.
They can have them if it means it stops rose lads bidding of the animals I actually want

croot

bogman_bass wrote: »

And that's exactly why I would never buy a Charolais bullock. Lads seem to be willing to pay €50-€100 more for the colour.
They can have them if it means it stops rose lads bidding of the animals I actually want

I sold two ZAG weanling bulls 3 weeks ago. One was 345 kgs and made €1035 and the other was 330 and made €960.

Not much different to charloais prices there.

Bass Reeves

Cavanjack wrote: »

Saw good 450kg bulls less than a year old make €1150-€1200 recently. Any amount of lads to buy them. You'd wonder would there be a penny made on them.

I imagine that those lads went for feeding by a contracted feeder. If less that 12 they would be under 16 months for Christmas or even after. It will depend on the base he is guaranteed. But for these lads it a straight maths game. With a contracted price they can commit to Maize silage, beet etc. See a lad that buys surplas beet every May to add to pit silage I think along with Maize and straw. All he has to do is add protein. But you are committed to turning that back into cash the following winter. That is ok if you know or are very sure you will get a contracted price in September.

This could reduce your cost/day by 20%+, maybe being able to feed these bulls 10-15kgs DM/day for final 100 days for sub 18c/kg compared to ration at 22+c/day.

Muckit

I'd say they are floating over water now and end up in a kebab in kusadasi

Water John

Outwintered animals would melt in the rain, down south here, Bass. Same with open cubicles for cows, a non runner.

Dozer1

wish I had the champion weanling heifer in Ennis this week
BBX 350kgs - €1,970 - €5.63/kg how could anybody make money on her????

Dickie10

op if your outwintering buy stores, i presume you will kill these animals yourself? stores are stronger and able for more hardship. you will prob pay 750-850 for plain whiteheads amd angus and 950-1200 for decent animals

Bass Reeves

Dozer1 wrote: »

wish I had the champion weanling heifer in Ennis this week
BBX 350kgs - €1,970 - €5.63/kg how could anybody make money on her????

Some fella could have bough her as a show heifer

Who2

Suckler bred cattle don't melt being out wintered. I'd always keep the smallest out over the winter on nothing but 2kg of meal. They always weigh in at least as heavy if not heavier than the ones kept on slats. They thrive way ahead of the she'd ones too the following spring.

Water John

WHO2, it rains, a lot, down south. That's what does the damage. If cattle have a bit of shelter and a dry lie, outdoors is great.

Cavanjack

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I imagine that those lads went for feeding by a contracted feeder. If less that 12 they would be under 16 months for Christmas or even after. It will depend on the base he is guaranteed. But for these lads it a straight maths game. With a contracted price they can commit to Maize silage, beet etc. See a lad that buys surplas beet every May to add to pit silage I think along with Maize and straw. All he has to do is add protein. But you are committed to turning that back into cash the following winter. That is ok if you know or are very sure you will get a contracted price in September.

This could reduce your cost/day by 20%+, maybe being able to feed these bulls 10-15kgs DM/day for final 100 days for sub 18c/kg compared to ration at 22+c/day.

if one of them died it would take a lot of them to cover his cost the margin would be that tight. Wonder how many cattle these lads on contract would have to be killing a year. In the hundreds I presume? Don't tend to mix in these circles ðŸ˜႒

kerry cow

I have a few spring 2017 fr Bull calves weaned and on meal .weight 220kgs .
Don't know much about Bull calves .
What will they make .
Is their a guide of cent per kg live weight ??
Also the aa bulls are 250 kgs .
I was hoping for up to 2 euro for FB.
And 2.50 for the aa bulls .
Can anyone one guide me .
I would need that considering what they have eaten and cost .

Bass Reeves

kerry cow wrote: »

I have a few spring 2017 fr Bull calves weaned and on meal .weight 220kgs .
Don't know much about Bull calves .
What will they make .
Is their a guide of cent per kg live weight ??
Also the aa bulls are 250 kgs .
I was hoping for up to 2 euro for FB.
And 2.50 for the aa bulls .
Can anyone one guide me .
I would need that considering what they have eaten and cost .

Friesian bulls depending on quality and age 1.2-1.6/kg. In general 100 with there weight is tops. i all depend if you get a buyer from DD that will give you his mart fees as well. The biggest factor is where you are located.

The AA's are an another story. At 250kgs they are good calves. However most lads are well weaned off them too much hassle with the bonus and in reality the bonus is 5-10c less that it is worth. They are cattle that will never weight heavy. I be slow to pay 2/kg, I want them landed in the yard at sub 500 euro.

memorystick

bogman_bass wrote: »

And that's exactly why I would never buy a Charolais bullock. Lads seem to be willing to pay €50-€100 more for the colour.
They can have them if it means it stops rose lads bidding of the animals I actually want

If you wanted to get cattle to go 800kg+, then they are probably the Best Buy. I saw nice chx bulls on the DD and they would be feasible for that job. I bought AAx heifers last spring. While they will make a few pound, I think that the CHx might be a better job for more longer term cattle. But is there a market for those big heavy cattle? FR bullocks seem like value but you can get caught with them too. Are they better short term? They always seem like value when between 300kg and 500kg.

Injuryprone

kerry cow wrote: »

I have a few spring 2017 fr Bull calves weaned and on meal .weight 220kgs .
Don't know much about Bull calves .
What will they make .
Is their a guide of cent per kg live weight ??
Also the aa bulls are 250 kgs .
I was hoping for up to 2 euro for FB.
And 2.50 for the aa bulls .
Can anyone one guide me .
I would need that considering what they have eaten and cost .

Neighbour of mine sold similar aa last week for 575 in the mart.
As above 100 with the weight is about the go for the fr.