Is this a bad idea? High milage Honda

Kruganomics

Hi all,

Is this a bad idea?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-honda-accord-2-2-cdti-executive/16234420

Milage is high, averaging over 20k a year... But its good spec and screams company car to me so is likely well kept and prob has FSH. New consumables in flywheel, clutch & timing chain.

Are Honda that good? How much longer could I expect to get out of this car?

bear1

From what I can see that car is in kilometres.
The other thing I'd want is proof that both chains were replaced.
Executive spec usually has sat nav so a bit surprised it isn't on that.

bazz26

It does make you wonder why someone would be selling a car that they just replaced a clutch and flywheel on and the timing chain on last year. Those are not cheap repairs so you would imagine when spending that sort of money you would be doing so with the premise of keeping the car long term to get some value out of it. That is of course unless they are fed up of spending that sort of money on it or there is another pending big repair on the horizon.

bear1

bazz26 wrote: »

It does make you wonder why someone would be selling a car that they just replaced a clutch and flywheel on and the timing chain on last year. Those are not cheap repairs so you would imagine when spending that sort of money you would be doing so with the premise of keeping the car long term to get some value out of it. That is of course unless they are fed up of spending that sort of money on it or there is another pending big repair on the horizon.

No mention of the dreaded manifold fix or the airbag recall having been done.
Sounds like the seller is trying to get his repair money back cause 3.5k seems a bit high to me.

Kruganomics

bear1 wrote: »

From what I can see that car is in kilometres.
The other thing I'd want is proof that both chains were replaced.
Executive spec usually has sat nav so a bit surprised it isn't on that.

The NCT cert has 288632 km on it and is dated October 2016 so the milage seems accurate.
Sounds like he has proof of the chains being done. If he has proof of all the work and FSH I'm tempted.

Wondering how long I could expect the car to last if it had all that work done + regular servicing?

Kruganomics

bazz26 wrote: »

It does make you wonder why someone would be selling a car that they just replaced a clutch and flywheel on and the timing chain on last year. Those are not cheap repairs so you would imagine when spending that sort of money you would be doing so with the premise of keeping the car long term to get some value out of it. That is of course unless they are fed up of spending that sort of money on it or there is another pending big repair on the horizon.

Could be that they know they'd never sell it with out those being done at that milage. It's priced cheaper than many other examples on DD for the same year with less spec but that's reflective of the milage I would think.... or am I being too hopeful?

CiniO

I'd wonder in the first place why chain needed replacing.

From what I know, on those engines, if properly serviced, chain should last much longer than that.

bear1

CiniO wrote: »

I'd wonder in the first place why chain needed replacing.

From what I know, on those engines, if properly serviced, chain should last much longer than that.

It's the oil that's the issue. Those chains need a specific oil grade and if the wrong one is used then the chains aren't lubricated as they should.
Can't remember which oil it needs, 0w or 5w but it's the number 1 reason they fail.
Having said that, there are reports of them failing even with vigorous servicing.

colm_mcm

bear1 wrote: »

No mention of the dreaded manifold fix or the airbag recall having been done.
Sounds like the seller is trying to get his repair money back cause 3.5k seems a bit high to me.

3.5 for an Accord on new tax system is cheap

Kruganomics

So if there's proof the chains were replaced, clutch and flywheel also, we're going well.

I need to ask about the exhaust manifold cracked then? (after a quick google) and also the airbag recall. Any other known issues to look out for?

I'm tempted by this car but don't want to be blinkered by my desire to own an Accord!

bear1

colm_mcm wrote: »

3.5 for an Accord on new tax system is cheap

Meant to put cheap in my post.
But I'd still be wary of that car. Could be cheap for a reason.

testicles

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bear1

Kruganomics wrote: »

So if there's proof the chains were replaced, clutch and flywheel also, we're going well.

I need to ask about the exhaust manifold cracked then? (after a quick google) and also the airbag recall. Any other known issues to look out for?

I'm tempted by this car but don't want to be blinkered by my desire to own an Accord!

When he shows you proof of the chains being done then you've one minefield gone but as mentioned you'd need to double check the correct oil for that engine and ask the owner what oil he is using. If the same as always I'd leave it
Manifold is very easy to check, in fact you'd smell it. Pure exhaust smell inside the car.
Airbag recall is the passenger side which if deployed can throw shards into the passengers face. I believe it's a takota system, get the vin and call Honda to confirm if it needs to be done.

Kruganomics

bear1 wrote: »

Meant to put cheap in my post.
But I'd still be wary of that car. Could be cheap for a reason.

Would you not think it's reflective of the high milage? It's got 30k miles more than the average for that age

Kruganomics

bear1 wrote: »

When he shows you proof of the chains being done then you've one minefield gone but as mentioned you'd need to double check the correct oil for that engine and ask the owner what oil he is using. If the same as always I'd leave it
Manifold is very easy to check, in fact you'd smell it. Pure exhaust smell inside the car.
Airbag recall is the passenger side which if deployed can throw shards into the passengers face. I believe it's a takota system, get the vin and call Honda to confirm if it needs to be done.

Thanks for this.

colm_mcm

testicles wrote: »

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think it did if it was the old model 08?

bear1

Kruganomics wrote: »

Would you not think it's reflective of the high milage? It's got 30k miles more than the average for that age

Hard to say. I've been badly burnt by that engine so I'm probably biased towards it.
If the work can be verified then you should be good to go but no one can tell you how long the car could last in your possession.

bear1

colm_mcm wrote: »

think it did if it was the old model 08?

I believe they did, it's the same engine. It's the generation that replaced it that rectified the issue.

Kruganomics

bear1 wrote: »

Hard to say. I've been badly burnt by that engine so I'm probably biased towards it.
If the work can be verified then you should be good to go but no one can tell you how long the car could last in your possession.

No of course but I guess I mean best case scenario how many miles could that engine work through in it's lifetime?

3.5k is cheap for an Accord as said but not the kind of money I want to chuck away into a lemon and other examples are out of budget for me. The alternative is to go bangernomics route where I'd be looking at Mazda 6 or Saab 9-3

bear1

Saab 93

bazz26

Worth a look at instead OP?



https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna-1-5-diesel-low-tax/15929330

Kruganomics

bazz26 wrote: »

Worth a look at instead OP?



https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-laguna-1-5-diesel-low-tax/15929330

Ticks a lot of boxes alright but Monaghan is too far to go for a Laguna for me.

Any opinions on these?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2007-saab-93-1-8-tax-amp-nct-immaculate/16318974

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-93-9-3-1-8i-linear-sport-4dr/14073968

colm_mcm

The 1.8i is a dog of a yoke.

Grueller

colm_mcm wrote: »

think it did if it was the old model 08?

No. Issue was resolved after the face-lift of that model in 06 as far as I am aware.

Grueller

Grueller wrote: »

No. Issue was resolved after the face-lift of that model in 06 as far as I am aware.

Actually thinking about that it may have been the timing chain that was changed after the face lift. Not sure now. Must ask my mate again. He is a Honda main dealer mechanic.

bear1

Grueller wrote: »

Actually thinking about that it may have been the timing chain that was changed after the face lift. Not sure now. Must ask my mate again. He is a Honda main dealer mechanic.

The chain set up was changed

Kruganomics

colm_mcm wrote: »

The 1.8i is a dog of a yoke.

How so?

bazz26

If the low mileage can be verified:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/citeon-c5-2-0-nct-till-2019-low-mileage-tax-july/14969473

Or this one:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/08-citroen-c5-vtr/14773486

Kruganomics

What about this? Saab 9-3 with 1.9 diesel

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/saab-9-3-1-9tid-vector-sport-2008-manual/16303010

colm_mcm

Kruganomics wrote: »

How so?

It's slow -only 120bhp, and the gearing is quite short so it revs high. I had one from work for a while back in the day. Cambelt interval is very small on them too. I would go with the turbocharged 2.0 every time.

Matty.C

Kruganomics wrote: »

Hi all,

Is this a bad idea?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-honda-accord-2-2-cdti-executive/16234420

Milage is high, averaging over 20k a year... But its good spec and screams company car to me so is likely well kept and prob has FSH. New consumables in flywheel, clutch & timing chain.

Are Honda that good? How much longer could I expect to get out of this car?

That engine was plagued with problems manifold, timing chain stretch, noisy tappets, clutch ect.. I realise that alot of these jobs were sorted on it but there always something else to go worng on these engines.. Not to mention they werent that good on diesel. The petrol one was a far better car and not a massive diffrence if fuel consumption compared to the amount of big ticket thing to go wrong with the cdti.. The engine disnt live up to hondas usual reiability at all.
Perhaps something like a Skoda Superb or a Passat would be a better choice for big miles

Kruganomics

colm_mcm wrote: »

It's slow -only 120bhp, and the gearing is quite short so it revs high. I had one from work for a while back in the day. Cambelt interval is very small on them too. I would go with the turbocharged 2.0 every time.

The 2.0 petrol? This is the only decent example I can find - I have no interest in a cabriolet

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/08-saab-9-3-1-8t-biopower-leather-int/14180914

Any thoughts on the 1.9 Tid? For one it would be a lot cheaper to run, the tax and fuel costs on the 2.0 are pretty scary

Kruganomics

Matty.C wrote: »

That engine was plagued with problems manifold, timing chain stretch, noisy tappets, clutch ect.. I realise that alot of these jobs were sorted on it but there always something else to go worng on these engines.. Not to mention they werent that good on diesel. The petrol one was a far better car and not a massive diffrence if fuel consumption compared to the amount of big ticket thing to go wrong with the cdti.. The engine disnt live up to hondas usual reiability at all.
Perhaps something like a Skoda Superb or a Passat would be a better choice for big miles

I needed reminding there's no such things as unicorns so I called them up today - selling for someone else and the service booklet was lost somewhere along the way.... :rolleyes:

Matty.C

Kruganomics wrote: »

I needed reminding there's no such things as unicorns so I called them up today - selling for someone else and the service booklet was lost somewhere along the way.... :rolleyes:

As they say... If it too good to be true it usually is 😉

JohnBoy26

Matty.C wrote: »

That engine was plagued with problems manifold, timing chain stretch, noisy tappets, clutch ect.. I realise that alot of these jobs were sorted on it but there always something else to go worng on these engines.. Not to mention they werent that good on diesel. The petrol one was a far better car and not a massive diffrence if fuel consumption compared to the amount of big ticket thing to go wrong with the cdti.. The engine disnt live up to hondas usual reiability at all.
Perhaps something like a Skoda Superb or a Passat would be a better choice for big miles

And they are the paragon of reliability?

Kruganomics

This comes in within budget even after paying a years tax. Ad seems to be dated from April (note at the bottom of the ad) not sure what to make of it. Is this another unicorn? (also I know it's the 2.0 and there's a 2.4 available but I cannot live with the 1k tax)

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s60-auto-tax-fsh-nct/15347711

colm_mcm

Kruganomics wrote: »

The 2.0 petrol? This is the only decent example I can find - I have no interest in a cabriolet

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/08-saab-9-3-1-8t-biopower-leather-int/14180914

Any thoughts on the 1.9 Tid? For one it would be a lot cheaper to run, the tax and fuel costs on the 2.0 are pretty scary

The 1.8t is a 2.0 petrol (bizzarely)

Cee-Jay-Cee

bear1 wrote: »

From what I can see that car is in kilometres.
The other thing I'd want is proof that both chains were replaced.
Executive spec usually has sat nav so a bit surprised it isn't on that.

Executive spec in Ireland means electric windows and a leather interior that no other country would want.

christy02

I have a 06 Accord with 320k km on it and still on original chain, clutch, flywheel and turbo. I service it every 10k km and have had no trouble apart from alternator

Manifold issue was sorted on face-lift. Chain as well but depends on oil used.

Another thing to look out for is a shuddering under load at between 80-100 km/hour. This is due to play on inner cv joints and needs shafts replacing for genuine Honda shafts to completely cure. Cost around 1k

Also not most refined engine but I like how it drives. Thinking of going petrol when I change again though.