Project Cars 2

Dohnjoe

Been following development of this. Actually getting quite hyped. Seems to be heavy focus on physics and realism.. whether they nail it or not remains to be seen, but early impressions on the alpha/beta version they sent to press seem to be generally good

Bendy tyre physics, laser-scanning, photo telemetry.. a new race license system (to decrease online toxic play).. that dynamic weather system where one half the track will be wet in the shade but other parts will dry up
www.projectcarsgame.com/project-cars-2-faq.html

Of course if they have screw up the physics again - it's just another arcade racer, but so far.. signs are not too bad, fingers crossed

Dcully

Looks like more of the same as pc1 according to latest impressions from the likes of gamer muscle and jimmy broadbendt etc, seems to be another simcade title and the likes of iracing,rfactor2,assetto corsa,automobilista have nothing to worry about.

Not at all surprised myself and its exactly what i expected.

Dohnjoe

Going to wait until release and proper reviews - it's been repeated that the cars haven't been tuned properly for the press version and the initial setups are to favor players with controllers (who will be the majority of purchasers)

I remember Dirt 4 being slated the second it came out for having worse handling that Dirt Rally, only to read comments and find many sim-racers and actual rally drivers agreeing that some of the physics (on certain cars) were actually more realistic than Dirt Rally

Update: Jimmy Broadbent gives it another go and plays the press release version in VR, GT40 on Spa and calls it a mix between iRacing and Assetto

Dcully

More VR from Jimmy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daMmjNodOJ0

Hopefully they address ffb more than anything in pcars 2, physics while not great would of been acceptable if the force feedback was good, instead one had to spend hours upon hours finding a semi decent ffb setting for each car.
Just like pcars pcars 2 is shipping with an absolute tonne of content, if they physics are even half decent but with good ffb i might purchase but ill await reviews from my trusted sources.

Re Dirt 4, imo its nowhere near dirt rally, ive given it over 30 hours and it just feels wrong and arcadey to me.
When playing it i just end up shutting it down and enjoying diry rally instead.

Titzon Toast

From what I've heard around the camp fire, Jimmy is using an OSW and this is the route cause of his FFB issues.

I have it on good authority that the ffb feels fantastic on any of the officially supported wheels.

It's also supposed to be vastly improved over PCars 1 if you are using a controller, as in, it's actually playable this time around.

SMS already had lots of bases covered with their first attempt, lots of options, lots of tracks, good graphics etc.

They seem to have taken note of the raft of complaints from PCars 1 and have set about addressing them for PCars 2. I can't wait to get my hands on it. My pre-order is going in next payday.

Dcully

On good authority from who?

Titzon Toast

About what?

Dcully

This.

I have it on good authority that the ffb feels fantastic on any of the officially supported wheels.

Feckoffcup

Do u buy cars like with gran turismo?

thurlesdrunk

Feckoffcup wrote:

Do u buy cars like with gran turismo?

No, all cars are available from the beginning. No need to buy or unlock.

Spudman_20000

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Do u buy cars like with gran turismo?

No, but in career mode you will be limited in which catagories you can race. There's 6 tiers, and Tiers 1 and 2 are locked.

Outside of the career mode, you should be able to race any car in the game.

Titzon Toast

Dcully wrote: »

This.

From people who are playing the game, people on the SMS forums, there's tons of info out there.
There are now ffb presets that can be changed on the fly.
There are also multiple base tunes for each car that will work better for controller or wheel users.

VVV just released a video of them playing PCars 2 on a standard PS4 and they gave it a very positive review.

With all that said though, I'm still very apprehensive as to how good the game will be at launch. I hope SMS have learned their lesson.

At least we'll have AC to play until a patch or two gets released.

Dcully

Id ignore both SMS forums and your man from VVV,both seriously biassed sources of info.
Ive learned that lesson from the Pcars 1 hype train.

The main sim streamers and youtubers are saying its only okay in terms of physics,better than pcars 1 but still not on the level of automobilista,rfactor2,assetto corsa,raceroom or iracing then again it never was going to be despite the BS SMS and Ian Bell will try to tell us.

If the physics are even half decent with decent FFB options it might be worth a shot though, its real strength is going to be volume of content in the shape of cars and tracks.

If they just market the game somewhere between the real simulators on PC and non sim racers people will accept it for what it is.

Look at F1 2017 , in no way is it a full on sim , it sits between full on sim and so called simcade but its just a lot of fun to play.

SMS simply do not have to ability imho to create a simulator in the mould of the ones mentioned above, i wish i was wrong and sincerely would love to be proven wrong.

Market pcars2 to sit somewhere alongside f1 2017 on the sim scale and they could have a very successful game on their hands.

Having said all that the streamers and guys with access could all be wrong and it could have a great physics engine, ofcourse physics can be subjective so who knows it could have a really enjoyable driving physics/model, fingers crossed it will.

Titzon Toast

You're spot on about that tool from VVV, that's why I didn't even link the video. He pulled the very same shiite just before PCars 1 dropped and I haven't watched one of their videos since.

On consoles, SMS have the content and options market cornered alright. But if their cars don't have the same lovely weighty feel of AC then there's not much point.

We pretty much have to take what we're given on console though. I haven't pre-ordered it yet, I'm hoping to find out what it's really like from someone who manages to get their hands on an early copy next week.

Spudman_20000

Some reviews in:

IGN
http://ie.ign.com/articles/2017/09/18/project-cars-2-review

Eurogamer
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-18-project-cars-2-review

Overall sense seems to be handling is improved, but not the best out there. And sounds like there's quite a few bugs, including the "old skip to the end of qualifying" chessnut that was present in the first game.

Titzon Toast

They both seem to agree that the ffb and handling aren't exactly spectacular either.
Not cool.

Spudman_20000

I don't see any mention of the ffb in either review?

Titzon Toast

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

I don't see any mention of the ffb in either review?

From the Eurogamer review.

"On a half-decent wheel it's a different story, of course, and with a good set-up the cars do a lot more talking. There's still not quite enough weight there to trouble the likes of Assetto Corsa or iRacing - in my opinion, at least - and so Project Cars 2's rides end up enjoyable but never quite excellent."


The IGN review paints a very different picture though. Who do we believe?!

Dohnjoe

It's subjective, wait for the experts to get a proper hands on and then there should be a general consensus on the good and the bad

Titzon Toast

This review from ISR sounds promising, he said himself that he didn't like the physics or ffb in PCars 1.
It was recorded in June this year so I can only assume that SMS have only improved it further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgi4aadWN6s&t=20s

billybonkers

Some reviews popping up now

Titzon Toast

I just pulled the trigger on a digital copy, no work for me tomorrow. Roll on midnight.

billybonkers

Titzon Toast wrote: »

I just pulled the trigger on a digital copy, no work for me tomorrow. Roll on midnight.

Tried not to get too hyped up the last few months but really looking forward to this now, off to London for the weekend and it will be waiting for me on my return.

Haven't played a good racing game in years.

Titzon Toast

billybonkers wrote: »

Tried not to get too hyped up the last few months but really looking forward to this now, off to London for the weekend and it will be waiting for me on my return.

Haven't played a good racing game in years.

Are you on PS4? There's a good group of us that race online together. You're more than welcome to join us anytime.

Spudman_20000

Does anyone know if Argos typically have games in stock on release day? They're usually the cheapest.

billybonkers

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Are you on PS4? There's a good group of us that race online together. You're more than welcome to join us anytime.

Yes I am actually, I will send you over my PSN via PM. Great news

thurlesdrunk

billybonkers wrote:

Yes I am actually, I will send you over my PSN via PM. Great news

Watch out for titzon on turn 1! 😉😅

Titzon Toast

thurlesdrunk wrote: »

Watch out for titzon on turn 1! 😉😅

Go away outta that, I hang back to avoid the first corner crashes.
I like to get you halfway through the race.

Spudman_20000

What are people's impressions so far?

I have it on Xbox One and it is full of bugs, but there's the potential for a great game if get most of them sorted.

In fairness, the first game started out the same way. Feel a bit like a beta tester, but will stick with it.

Dcully

Its okay, better than pc1 in terms of physics and ffb for sure but still not near the usual sims on pc.
However its really inconsistent , some cars feel okay and others not so.
AI are terrible, tire screeching sound is like something from sinclair zx spectrum back in the 80s, im sure it will be modded on PC.

On the plus side it has a tonne of content,overall its not bad but a lot better options out there on PC.
Console owners looking for something new to go alongside assetto corsa then yeah its a good option.

Feckoffcup

Gt is the only true sim, am i right?

Titzon Toast

The ffb is a bit sketchy on console, there's a few bugs here and there too.
After a couple of patches it should be a good game.

Jerichoholic

Tell me there's a way to skip practise and qualifying? 30 minutes of this crap before you get a race?

billybonkers

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Tell me there's a way to skip practise and qualifying? 30 minutes of this crap before you get a race?

I believe I saw in one of the youtube videos that you could skip both or either, when you are in the pre race menu I think it was

https://youtu.be/C6FMrU_qZnE?t=4m33s

There you go... Hope this helps

Still have not had a chance to play it myself

Jerichoholic

Thanks, had very little time to check it out earlier. Couldn't skip from practice mode for sure.

Jerichoholic

Spent more time looking for decent controller settings since the devs didn't bother again. Still can't get it right. I reckon it's going back for a trade in.

Dcully

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Spent more time looking for decent controller settings since the devs didn't bother again. Still can't get it right. I reckon it's going back for a trade in.

That was a major bone on contention in PCARS 1, im using the Jake Spade ffb settings on official forums but i havent played much of it at all, 3 hours total so i cant really comment in great depth.
It did feel better out of the box than PC1, those Jack Spade files improve things a bit for sure but still not up to the level of other sims.

billybonkers

Had a go last night, struggling with the controller settings also. Steep learning curve for someone who has not played a racing game since GT3

Jerichoholic

Gonna try it with assists and dumb it down a bit.

EDIT: So if you keep assists on, but low and change all deadzones to 0, all sensitivity settings to 20, speed sensitivity at 80, and controller damping to 50, you get a very playable game, finally.

Dcully

I decided to hold onto it and not get a refund on steam.
Yes i hated on pcars 1 so much but it was well deserved.
This time round i will give credit where its due and yes they deserve credit.
After giving it a fair amount of time to evaluate its a keeper for sure for me.
Im really liking the physics,they have done a great job here which im glad to say im shocked about, really shocked here!!!!
Its not perfect, some cars feel like they left out the nice physics engine but overall im very happy with what they have produced [tire flex in particular feels spectacular to me] i can actually feel when the tires are flexing with the weight of the car.
FFB again is pretty nice, not perfect but really more than acceptable.
Sound is a big improvement mostly, apart from that tire screeching, god its terrible.
More thumbs up for the sheer amount of content in here.

Overall im happy with it, its 10X times better than i expected, im delighted to say SMS proved me wrong.
They have delivered a true sim here allbeit with some issues that need to be addressed but its a worthy sim to add to anyones collection.

There are very few reviewers i trust in the sim world, Empty Box is one i do trust, his review will go a long way to inform people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Qc08v46T4

Mantis Toboggan

What's it like on console compared to pc1?

Titzon Toast

Tyson Fury wrote: »

What's it like on console compared to pc1?

I've just put my rig away tonight after playing for the first time since release night.
It's fooking excellent, way better than PCars 1.

The little Ginetta G40 is so much fun.

billybonkers

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Gonna try it with assists and dumb it down a bit.

EDIT: So if you keep assists on, but low and change all deadzones to 0, all sensitivity settings to 20, speed sensitivity at 80, and controller damping to 50, you get a very playable game, finally.

Have tinkered a bit with the also and found some setting I am comfortable with.

Turned down the AI a bit also, getting the hang of it.

Damn driving in the ice is a b***h! Was doing really well in Formula Rookie then that New Zealand track covered in ice came up :D

Jerichoholic

Happened to me too, nonsense. Why weren't the tyres changed by the crew?

billybonkers

Jerichoholic wrote: »

Happened to me too, nonsense. Why weren't the tyres changed by the crew?

Oh I am pretty sure mine were changed, was just very hard to control the throttle. I was always putting down too much power and loosing control. I found it easier in some cases with brake assist off

Mantis Toboggan

Is there spotters and race engineers messages in game along with proper pit stops?

Titzon Toast

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Is there spotters and race engineers messages in game along with proper pit stops?

I haven't pitted yet myself, I've just been racing online, but the spotter and race engineer are there alright.

Titzon Toast

Has anyone tried the Ferrari F50GT yet? It's some craic. And the Ginetta G40 is excellent too.

Jerichoholic

Titzon Toast wrote: »

I haven't pitted yet myself, I've just been racing online, but the spotter and race engineer are there alright.

I'm terrified to race online. Can barely make up 3 places in a race on 30% difficulty

Titzon Toast

Jerichoholic wrote: »

I'm terrified to race online. Can barely make up 3 places in a race on 30% difficulty

You'd be surprised how many places you can pick up because of lads crashing out.

Jump on with me and my buddies anytime you like man.

Jerichoholic

Titzon Toast wrote: »

You'd be surprised how many places you can pick up because of lads crashing out.

Jump on with me and my buddies anytime you like man.

Sound. I might just.

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