Ethnic group jailed for slavery.

CeilingFly

How the f#@k did Enda Kenny give travellers "ethnicity".
http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/modern-slave-forced-to-dig-own-grave-on-irish-traveller-site-and-told-thats-where-youre-going-in-contract-threat-36023522.html

They are in the main a group of travelling thugs, burglars, dole cheats, scammers, drug pushers and slave drivers.

They represent less than 0.5% of the population and over 20% of the prison population.

Why oh why are they given "rights" above normal people?

Super-Rush

WOW.....

Jim Bob Scratcher

****ing scumbags!

Barry Badrinath

Wheres Pavee Point now?

Sand

Interesting how much effort they went to force him to sign 'a contract'. Abusers will often work very hard to establish that the abused is somehow in their debt. They have to feel righteous. The whole concept of debt is historically based on the debtor somehow having stolen from or wronged the creditor, justifying the creditors abuse of the debtor. That whole mindset of conflating debt and crime carries on thousands of years later, even as recently as Ireland over the last decade.

Slavery has never gone away. It is still widely practised throughout most of the world. Europe made a decent effort at trying to stop it, but its a global issue. No one region can stop it.

JMNolan

I'd say this thread will be locked pretty quick. Boards is like Google, welcomes discussion as long as it follows party lines and approved viewpoints

CeilingFly

Super-Rush wrote: »

WOW.....

I've first hand experience of what I call low life scum that belong to the "travelling community" scamming my father.

I despise them. I will never forget or forgive them. They in my eyes should be.........

gctest50

CeilingFly wrote: »

How the f#@k did Enda Kenny give travellers "ethnicity".

http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/modern-slave-forced-to-dig-own-grave-on-irish-traveller-site-and-told-thats-where-youre-going-in-contract-threat-36023522.html

They are in the main a group of travelling thugs, burglars, dole cheats, scammers, drug pushers and slave drivers.

They represent less than 0.5% of the population and over 20% of the prison population.

Why oh why are they given "rights" above normal people?

So you like to be in the same ethnic group as them ?

Ulysses Gaze

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Wheres Pavee Point now?

Jurgen Klopp

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Wheres Pavee Point now?

Furiously checking social media for comments on this case that they can twist to show the prejudice from "settled people"

BillyBobBS

They broke into my mother's and father's house some years back and robbed my mother's engagement ring as well as assorted electronics. Gardai told us they'd done several houses in the estate that week and they'd actually caught them in one and had later released them.

It really grinds my gears that they got ethnic status because my own families story about them is only one of many. We all know what they are about.

JillyQ

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Wheres Pavee Point now?

Nowhere to be seen

JillyQ

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Wheres Pavee Point now?

Nowhere to be seen

RayM

CeilingFly wrote: »

How the f#@k did Enda Kenny give travellers "ethnicity".
http://m.independent.ie/world-news/europe/britain/modern-slave-forced-to-dig-own-grave-on-irish-traveller-site-and-told-thats-where-youre-going-in-contract-threat-36023522.html

They are in the main a group of travelling thugs, burglars, dole cheats, scammers, drug pushers and slave drivers.

They represent less than 0.5% of the population and over 20% of the prison population.

Why oh why are they given "rights" above normal people?

Ignoring your pig-ignorant racist bile... giving official recognition to the fact that Travellers have their own unique ethnicity does not give them extra rights above the rest of the population.

Seth Brundle

BillyBobBS wrote: »

They broke into my mother's and father's house some years back and robbed my mother's engagement ring as well as assorted electronics.

All of them? That must have taken some planning!

eviltwin

This is extreme. I'm pretty sure most travellers don't keep slaves and weren't there some cases of settled people having slaves last year too? By all means let's talk about problems with the travelling community of which there are many, but these people did what they did because they are scum not because they are travellers.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

RayM wrote: »

Ignoring your pig-ignorant racist bile... giving official recognition to the fact that Travellers have their own unique ethnicity does not give them extra rights above the rest of the population.

Oh but it seems it does though.
If I park a trailer on the side of the road, fashion a clothes line from a ladder hanging out over a main rd held up by a piece of rope and had animals and kids running riot, do you think the gardai would be long moving me? But they need a high court order to move a traveller

Grab All Association

RayM wrote: »

Ignoring your pig-ignorant racist bile... giving official recognition to the fact that Travellers have their own unique ethnicity does not give them extra rights above the rest of the population.

How are travellers a race? Are they not the same race as the majority of us white/Caucasian.

timthumbni

Irish travellers.... a great bunch of lads...... Anyone with half a brain would hope they roll up close to them(all to share their diverse culture to help enrich settled people's lives and show them where they have went wrong)

(...... said no one ever apart from eotr....)

BillyBobBS

eviltwin wrote: »

This is extreme. I'm pretty sure most travellers don't keep slaves and weren't there some cases of settled people having slaves last year too? By all means let's talk about problems with the travelling community of which there are many, but these people did what they did because they are scum not because they are travellers.

I'd put a response in here but i know i'd be site banned. Difference is one word that would have come to me.

snowflaker

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Oh but it seems it does though.
If I park a trailer on the side of the road, fashion a clothes line from a ladder hanging out over a main rd held up by a piece of rope and had animals and kids running riot, do you think the gardai would be long moving me? But they need a high court order to move a traveller

you have the same rights.

Richard Hillman

The trash over at the Journal have selectively called them a "UK Family" :pac:

UK family enslaved addicts and people with disabilities 'to fund lavish lifestyle' http://jrnl.ie/3542413

fatknacker

Why's everyone so annoyed about them having ethnic status? If you dislike them so much then surely you'd be glad they are unlike ye

RayM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Oh but it seems it does though.
If I park a trailer on the side of the road, fashion a clothes line from a ladder hanging out over a main rd held up by a piece of rope and had animals and kids running riot, do you think the gardai would be long moving me? But they need a high court order to move a traveller

Hope you don't mind me ignoring your idiotic generalisations, but if, for some reason, you chose (despite presumably not being a Traveller) to park a trailer on the side of a road, you'd have the exact same legal 'right' to do so as someone who is a Traveller.

Grab All Association wrote: »

How are travellers a race? Are they not the same race as the majority of us white/Caucasian.

Ethnicity and colour are not the same thing.

Nekarsulm

RayM wrote: »

Ignoring your pig-ignorant racist bile... giving official recognition to the fact that Travellers have their own unique ethnicity does not give them extra rights above the rest of the population.

Well it does, actually.
It gives them the right to take any business owner to court if said business owner refuses them entry to his premises.
If I am a known trouble maker, and a pub owner refuses me entry to his premises, I cannot take a case against him/her because I, an ethnic Irish person, is being "discriminated" against.

But if I am a traveller, in the same circumstances I can take a case and reasonably expect to walk away with sever thousand euro.

In our local County town within the last 3 weeks, there was an enormous traveller funeral for a husband and wife killed in a car crash in London.

Every single pub bar one closed for Friday and Saturday night, rather than risk offending said mourners, and possibly also having their premises trashed.

One pub stayed open, the one that always serves them, and the "home from home" of a wide assortment of unsavoury characters.

Omackeral

Grab All Association wrote: »

How are travellers a race? Are they not the same race as the majority of us white/Caucasian.

Nope, someone will be along to tell you they're more like African American or Aboriginal people.

Seth Brundle

Nekarsulm wrote: »

It gives them the right to take any business owner to court if said business owner refuses them entry to his premises.

...if the reason for refusal is because of their background and nothing else! Which should be the case!

RayM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Well it does, actually.
It gives them the right to take any business owner to court if said business owner refuses them entry to his premises.

If someone refuses you entry to their premises on racial grounds, you have the very same right to take them to court.

Can't believe I have to explain this stuff...

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

snowflaker wrote: »

you have the same rights.

Apparently not, I'm not a protected minority. According to a member of the gardai I can be instructed to move on if I park a caravan on a public road, they can act if I'm causing an obstruction or nusience. The gardai cannot do a thing in a situation where a herd of travellers pull onto the side of the road. The council needs to apply for an order from the high court. They don't need a high court order to move me.

Mrs OBumble

CeilingFly wrote: »

They represent less than 0.5% of the population and over 20% of the prison population.

So that means that just under 80% of the prison population are non-Travellers, then? Less than their population proportion, for sure, but on a numbers basis most of the criminals in the country are non-Traveller Irish.

My friends's house was robbed by a bunch of non-Travellers a while back. They took her <<whatever>>. Vile scum, those non-Travellers, they should all be ....

snowflaker

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Apparently not, I'm not a protected minority. According to a member of the gardai I can be instructed to move on if I park a caravan on a public road, they can act if I'm causing an obstruction or nuisance. The gardai cannot do a thing in a situation where a herd of travellers pull onto the side of the road. The council needs to apply for an order from the high court. They don't need a high court order to move me.

They can instruct them also. Its when its refused the high court order is required.

RayM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Apparently not, I'm not a protected minority. According to a member of the gardai I can be instructed to move on if I park a caravan on a public road, they can act if I'm causing an obstruction or nusience. The gardai cannot do a thing in a situation where a herd of travellers pull onto the side of the road. The council needs to apply for an order from the high court. They don't need a high court order to move me.

Funny how you refer to them as a "herd" - it's almost as if you don't view them as people.

If a large group of people, whatever their race, parked a load of caravans on a public road, and refused to leave, the law would treat them the same way as they treat Travellers.

timthumbni

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Apparently not, I'm not a protected minority. According to a member of the gardai I can be instructed to move on if I park a caravan on a public road, they can act if I'm causing an obstruction or nusience. The gardai cannot do a thing in a situation where a herd of travellers pull onto the side of the road. The council needs to apply for an order from the high court. They don't need a high court order to move me.

Start throwing your dirty nappies and other rubbish around the area....

Be grand.....

Omackeral

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So that means that just under 80% of the prison population are non-Travellers, then? Less than their population proportion, for sure, but on a numbers basis most of the criminals in the country are non-Traveller Irish.

Yes you should look up what the term per capita means.

snowflaker

timthumbni wrote: »

Start throwing your dirty nappies and other rubbish around the area....

Be grand.....

I know plenty of settled people that do that.

Ninthlife

I have the pleasure of living in close proximity to some travellers. Let me enlighten some to the diverse culture I have witnessed first hand over the years:

Every January and July at least 2 of the family have the latest reg car/van despite the same people always collecting money in the post office.

The children especially the young boys (under 10) like to grab the younger girks by the hair and with a closed fist punch them when they cant get their way

The same boys scour the estate for bikes,scooters,flickers etc left in gardens at night and take them . Ive caught them twice and when i approached their mother i was told they dont know what they are doing as they are only 'childer'

One unfortunate local landlord rented their house to one of them. House was given back a year later minus the wood floors and kitchen tiles. Was 2 skip loads of rubbish out the back.

Every communion involves stretched hummers and princess carriages etc. None of these work. Not even tarmac or paving. They do sweet f*ck all, all day everyday

Not one of them has a wheelie bin. But somehow we have a problem with fly tipping in one of the country lane ways..wonder who that is?

The local Gardai are always laughing and joking with them too.

Thats a couple of things...but sure arent they a great bunch of people altogether

dr.fuzzenstein

Grab All Association wrote: »

How are travellers a race? Are they not the same race as the majority of us white/Caucasian.

Strictly speaking there is no race besides Homo Sapiens. It's just another excuse like religion to be extremely crappy to one another or hide behind "discrimination" to gain an advantage.

Omackeral

The Gardai will be blamed shortly by a certain poster when he's finished putting Muslim pedophiles on the same level as former football hooligans. Never mind the scrote breaking the law, shure it's not his fault the police won't enforce the rules.

snowflaker

Ninthlife wrote: »

I have the pleasure of living in close proximity to some travellers. Let me enlighten some to the diverse culture I have witnessed first hand over the years:

Every January and July at least 2 of the family have the latest reg car/van despite the same people always collecting money in the post office.

The children especially the young boys (under 10) like to grab the younger girks by the hair and with a closed fist punch them when they cant get their way

The same boys scour the estate for bikes,scooters,flickers etc left in gardens at night and take them . Ive caught them twice and when i approached their mother i was told they dont know what they are doing as they are only 'childer'

One unfortunate local landlord rented their house to one of them. House was given back a year later minus the wood floors and kitchen tiles. Was 2 skip loads of rubbish out the back.

Every communion involves stretched hummers and princess carriages etc. None of these work. Not even tarmac or paving. They do sweet f*ck all, all day everyday

Not one of them has a wheelie bin. But somehow we have a problem with fly tipping in one of the country lane ways..wonder who that is?

The local Gardai are always laughing and joking with them too.

Thats a couple of things...but sure arent they a great bunch of people altogether

You monitor them very closely, Jessica

Jim Bob Scratcher

Ninthlife wrote: »

I have the pleasure of living in close proximity to some travellers. Let me enlighten some to the diverse culture I have witnessed first hand over the years:

Every January and July at least 2 of the family have the latest reg car/van despite the same people always collecting money in the post office.

The children especially the young boys (under 10) like to grab the younger girks by the hair and with a closed fist punch them when they cant get their way

The same boys scour the estate for bikes,scooters,flickers etc left in gardens at night and take them . Ive caught them twice and when i approached their mother i was told they dont know what they are doing as they are only 'childer'

One unfortunate local landlord rented their house to one of them. House was given back a year later minus the wood floors and kitchen tiles. Was 2 skip loads of rubbish out the back.

Every communion involves stretched hummers and princess carriages etc. None of these work. Not even tarmac or paving. They do sweet f*ck all, all day everyday

Not one of them has a wheelie bin. But somehow we have a problem with fly tipping in one of the country lane ways..wonder who that is?

The local Gardai are always laughing and joking with them too.

Thats a couple of things...but sure arent they a great bunch of people altogether

All because they fear them.

snowflaker

Omackeral wrote: »

The Gardai will be blamed shortly by a certain poster when he's finished putting Muslim pedophiles on the same level as former football hooligans. Never mind the scrote breaking the law, shure it's not his fault the police won't enforce the rules.

Is that a thinly veiled Hillsborough reference???

RayM

Ninthlife wrote: »

I have the pleasure of living in close proximity to some travellers. Let me enlighten some to the diverse culture I have witnessed first hand over the years:

I lived around the corner for some Travellers for several years. They were grand. One of them sharpened the blades on my lawnmower once.

Now I am not for one second trying to say that all Travellers are "grand" - only a total dick would make such a sweeping generalisation about an entire group of people.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

snowflaker wrote: »

They can instruct them also. Its when its refused the high court order is required.

they won't get involved unless there's trouble i.e. A fight

Ninthlife

RayM wrote: »

I lived around the corner for some Travellers for several years. They were grand. One of them sharpened the blades on my lawnmower once.

Now I am not for one second trying to say that all Travellers are "grand" - only a total dick would make such a sweeping generalisation about an entire group of people.

I am glad you have a positive experience in dealing with them. Unfortunately mine is the opposite.

Did i say they were all the same? No. I was stating my experience with those that i see

Ninthlife

snowflaker wrote: »

You monitor them very closely, Jessica

Whos Jessica? Whats your point

BillyBobBS

fatknacker wrote: »

Why's everyone so annoyed about them having ethnic status? If you dislike them so much then surely you'd be glad they are unlike ye

They are nothing like most people.

Most people work, like you know to pay taxes to keep the country afloat.

Most people don't throw their rubbish,babies nappies, old tyres etc.in any old field

Most people don't let/encourage their 15/16 year old daughter to get married and have kids at 15 or 16 years of age

Most people don't block up major roads with vans and cars putting other road users lives at risk as horses and carts run a race in front of them.

Most people don't rob, steal, scam, extort, put videos on You Tube of themselves illegally fighting etc...

Most people are decent...

Omackeral

snowflaker wrote: »

Is that a thinly veiled Hillsborough reference???

No, it's in relation a poster on saying he believes Tommy Robinson is on par with deviant Muslim pedophiles who sexually abused children in Newcastle and that he deserves the same punishments.

Seth Brundle

BillyBobBS wrote: »

They are nothing like most people.

Most people work, like you know to pay taxes to keep the country afloat.

Most people don't throw their rubbish,babies nappies, old tyres etc.in any old field

Most people don't let/encourage their 15/16 year old daughter to get married and have kids at 15 or 16 years of age

Most people don't block up major roads with vans and cars putting other road users lives at risk as horses and carts run a race in front of them.

Most people don't rob, steal, scam, extort, put videos on You Tube of themselves illegally fighting etc...

Most people are decent...

...and most people aren't bigots!

Kivaro

kbannon wrote: »

All of them? That must have taken some planning!

That's a nasty retort.

A group of travelers raided my elderly father's house and robbed the place.
The next day my father had bars put into the windows and in essence became a prisoner within his own home.

The traveler gang were known to the Gardai but nothing could be proven, so they continued with their lives as if nothing happened.
On the other hand, my father was never the same after the incident and died within a year.
The man worked for almost 50 years in this country, paying taxes and positively contributing to the community; including many years in volunteerism.

This is not a unique story, and I'm sure that we will continue to hear about new traveler incidences because our spineless politicians will not address the traveler issue ............... except of course to give them protected status.

snowflaker

Omackeral wrote: »

No, it's in relation a poster on saying he believes Tommy Robinson is on par with deviant Muslim pedophiles who sexually abused children in Newcastle and that he deserves the same punishments.

Is Tommy Robinson a football hooligan? I thought he was just an ex con, who peddled easy answers.

Omackeral

RayM wrote: »

I lived around the corner for some Travellers for several years. They were grand. One of them sharpened the blades on my lawnmower once.

My best friend is a gay black fella in a wheelchair.