do you know any legit ''bad'' people

Robsweezie

id like to think most of us, including the people in my life, are good people who've made bad choices and have have had bad things happen to them,and arent inherently bad. ive often thought when someone has fuucked up or done something seemingly selfish/ unforgivable, id tell myself that they're not bad, they're just stupid and dont know any better. or they didnt intend to do harm.

do you know anyone you would class as a wholly bad person?

Omackeral

I work in a prison. I know hundreds of bad people. Real pieces of sh*t, trouble with them everyday and real nasty attitudes... but that's enough about the staff...

gstack166

I worked abroad for 6 years in a tourist resort & many times got to know new people from home that just arrived, I'm always of the opinion if your nice to me im nice to you & im very easy to get along with. Gradually after time the people would lower their guard & tell me the reasons why they moved abroad. The amount that I met that were involved in gangland & wanted to escape it was unreal, after googling their names & reading about them youd be shocked it was the same person, point im trying to make is there is good & bad in everyone!

Estrellita

donegaLroad wrote: »

I know some people who have done some really bad things, but they have a nice side if they were given a chance.

Some act like the nicest people in the world, yet have a really ugly side to them. I used to believe that nobody was inherently bad, but life teaches you otherwise. It also teaches you the hard way not to be so naive.

Some people feel that the whole world is against them for a variety of reasons, and if only a few more people extended a hand of friendship they wouldn't feel like this.

Sometimes theres more to it than that.

Robsweezie wrote: »

do you know anyone you would class as a wholly bad person?

Regrettably, yes I do. It's for the same reason I tend to distance myself from others more as I get older. Sadly, you start to lose faith that there are many truly good, genuine people any more.

AllForIt

https://youtu.be/dsUXAEzaC3Q?t=69

Muahahaha

I knew a guy who called himself Kaiser Sose. If you crossed him he would burn your house down and your childrens houses down. Pretty bad stuff he did but once you got to know him he was actually pretty sound

Jim Bob Scratcher

Muahahaha wrote: »

I knew a guy who called himself Kaiser Sose. If you crossed him he would burn your house down and your childrens houses down. Pretty bad stuff he did but once you got to know him he was actually pretty sound

He sounds lovely.

Jesus Wept

Muahahaha wrote: »

I knew a guy who called himself Kaiser Sose. If you crossed him he would burn your house down and your childrens houses down. Pretty bad stuff he did but once you got to know him he was actually pretty sound

Jokes on him, my kids are homeless.

Surreptitious

Well I met someone who made up a house, a job, a college course, a whole life which none of was real. He talks about how big his cock is but he can't get it up so what's he on about. He is a raving alcoholic but won't admit to it. So yes, there are some complete freaks out there.

Jesus Wept

He sounds troubled to me rather than all bad or irredeemable.

Surreptitious

Jesus Wept wrote: »

He sounds troubled to me rather than all bad or irredeemable.

You might be right though I was the one troubled putting up with him.

wonderfullife

My nanny's neighbours growing up were convicted murderers. Well they got released when I was about 9 I suppose, but they were genuinely the loveliest, kindest people.

It was sort of shocking to find out when I got older what they had actually done, while I suppose they meet the definition of "bad people" I personally thought they were really nice.

donegaLroad

donegaLroad wrote: »

I think that there is good in everyone, no matter how bad or crazy they may seem... everyone has their story. I know some people who have done some really bad things, but they have a nice side if they were given a chance. Some people feel that the whole world is against them for a variety of reasons, and if only a few more people extended a hand of friendship they wouldn't feel like this.

We all know that people are the same where ever you go. There is good and bad in everyone. We learn to live, when we learn to give each other what we need to survive, together alive.

razorblunt

A guy I was in primary school with always seemed like a nice enough fella, but lived in a dodgy area and hung around with the "wrong crowd". Still though, in school he'd never mess, did his work and never got in trouble. He left out school in 5th/6th class. 15 years ago it turned out he'd taken his ex gf away for the weekend, on a reconciliation weekend, he raped her in their room and was sent to prison.
I met him about 10 years ago, you still wouldn't think he'd have it in him, I told him to move on when he came over chatting to me though.

tedpan

Surreptitious wrote:

Well I met someone who made up a house, a job, a college course, a whole life which none of was real. He talks about how big his cock is but he can't get it up so what's he on about. He is a raving alcoholic but won't admit to it. So yes, there are some complete freaks out there.

I know a girl with very similar traits. Absolute twat of a woman. She seems to be rewarded for her lies and laziness.

tedpan

A few of my mates have had rough times, one has been in and out of prison. I wouldn't call him a bad person, just lead down the wrong path.

He gets excited talking about anything against the government.

Maybe he's actually good?!?

robindch

Robsweezie wrote: »

do you know anyone you would class as a wholly bad person?

"bad" is a bit like "evil" - it's a moral judgement which I'm never entirely comfortable making.

That said, there are some people - the current occupants of the Kremlin and the White House for example - who would fit the bill quite nicely - vain, deceitful, malevolent trolls who shouldn't haven risen past the rank of municipal dog-catcher in their respective societies and without whom, the world would be a better place.

I know one or two who were murdered over the years, one was a maggot IMO, the rest were decent all considered.

Can only think of one really "bad" person as such at the moment. He's not long out of a 5+ year ish spell and is a nasty bastad. Think's he's still a major player but he's just a penniless twat now.

Lorelli!

wonderfullife wrote: »

My nanny's neighbours growing up were convicted murderers. Well they got released when I was about 9 I suppose, but they were genuinely the loveliest, kindest people.

It was sort of shocking to find out when I got older what they had actually done, while I suppose they meet the definition of "bad people" I personally thought they were really nice.

There was more than one living together?

Cee-Jay-Cee

I knew a fella once who you could only describe as downright evil. He was a prolific criminal and would hurt badly anyone who crossed him. He was caught burgling a few houses and unlike your regular burglar who would probably run away for fear of being caught, this bastard would attack and hurt anyone confronting him regardless of their age or gender. He regularly attacked and beat up random strangers for no apparent reason. He was quite simply evil. He was eventually killed when the stolen car he was driving crashed as he drove down the wrong direction on a motorway in the UK. No one went to his funeral, no one collected his body and as far as I know the council in the UK had to bury him in some unmarked grave in England which quite frankly was too good for the bastard and he should have been left to rot on the side of the road. He will never be missed.

Tigger

tedpan wrote: »

I know a girl with very similar traits. Absolute twat of a woman. She seems to be rewarded for her lies and laziness.

she talked about hw big her cock was?

Know a few who have murder, rape and child abuse on their cvs.

Also know a fellow who works in a nursing home and stole money off patients with Alzheimers. Which was such low rate second division scumbag behaviour, axed one friend because they hung around with him and I didn't even want the association with such a bum.

Steve F

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I knew a fella once who you could only describe as downright evil. He was a prolific criminal and would hurt badly anyone who crossed him. He was caught burgling a few houses and unlike your regular burglar who would probably run away for fear of being caught, this bastard would attack and hurt anyone confronting him regardless of their age or gender. He regularly attacked and beat up random strangers for no apparent reason. He was quite simply evil. He was eventually killed when the stolen car he was driving crashed as he drove down the wrong direction on a motorway in the UK. No one went to his funeral, no one collected his body and as far as I know the council in the UK had to bury him in some unmarked grave in England which quite frankly was too good for the bastard and he should have been left to rot on the side of the road. He will never be missed.

Blimey!

pilly

It depends on your definition of "bad". Good people do bad things all the time.

I do know one person however who's pure evil but I wouldn't call them a friend, more of an ex relative. He was married to my sister in law.

ohnonotgmail

pilly wrote: »

It depends on your definition of "bad". Good people do bad things all the time.

I do know one person however who's pure evil but I wouldn't call them a friend, more of an ex relative. He was married to my sister in law.

wouldn't that make him your brother?

pilly

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

wouldn't that make him your brother?

Nope, my ex husbands sisters husband, if that makes sense?

ohnonotgmail

pilly wrote: »

Nope, my ex husbands sisters husband, if that makes sense?

ah, so your ex-husbands brother in law

A guy I went to uni with raped and battered a girl then left her for dead. It happened a few years after I knew him, and while he wasn't my favourite person there's no way I'd have put him down as someone who was capable of that.

Good people do "bad" things all the time but there is bad and then there is bad. At what point is the act awful enough to taint the individual and actually make them a genuine bad person.

I have had the traumatic misfortune of knowing such. His actions were deliberate and only done to cause hurt and pain. If he was on his deathbed tomorrow and seeking forgiveness I'd go in the opposite direction.

r93kaey5p2izun

Yes I know quite a few people I believe to be completely devoid of any "goodness". Rotten to the core. One or two were redeemable at an earlier age I think, but not anymore. I would not put most of the criminals I know in the truly bad category though, and I agree that good people do bad things all the time.

yerwanthere123

I'd classify my mother as a truly bad person with no hope of redemption. Me and my siblings were subjected to much emotional, physical and psychological abuse on an almost daily basis for many years as children. I've been beaten, had food thrown on me, had tins of cat food emptied on my head, told that she "wishes she'd aborted me when she had the chance", and I've been spat on. She's also continually mocked one of her daughters about her autism diagnosis, another for an epilepsy diagnosis, and she's also poked fun at me for having bad hearing. If you tried to call her out on any of this behaviour, she'd say that it simply never happened. So yeah, there's good and bad in everyone, but some people unfortunately really are just truly bad.

yerwanthere123

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

I'd classify my mother as a truly bad person with no hope of redemption. Me and my siblings were subjected to much emotional, physical and psychological abuse on an almost daily basis for many years as children. I've been beaten, had food thrown on me, had tins of cat food emptied on my head, told that she "wishes she'd aborted me when she had the chance", and I've been spat on. She's also continually mocked one of her daughters about her autism diagnosis, another for an epilepsy diagnosis, and she's also poked fun at me for having bad hearing. If you tried to call her out on any of this behaviour, she'd say that it simply never happened. So yeah, there's good and bad in everyone, but some people unfortunately really are just truly bad.

I'm sorry that happened to you and your siblings. I hope life is much better now.

Stonedpilot

Knew a boss at a major bank, was a former manager. Right evil SOB. Was washing money for drug gangs and also on coke to the hilt at weekends. Former colleague told me he was big into going to Cambodia back in the day for the young ladies if you catch my drift. Think he's still there, call centre manager now of the place but evil out.

lying, stealing, cheating, typical banker I guess!.

DeltaWhite

About 15 years there was a big gang of us who hung around together in our area and there was a guy in our group, he was a geeky type of guy who was actually nice enough and fairly quiet. Years later I see in the media he's getting locked up for chopping a guy into pieces and putting the body parts in suitcases and then lobbing said suitcases into a river. Still cannot believe to this day that this chap could do such a thing.

FTA69

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/teens-get-six-years-jail-for-sword-and-hatchet-attack-26064233.html

At age 12 I was robbed at knifepoint by one of these charming individuals and his mates and then frogmarched down an alley near Paul's St whereupon some people managed to disturb them before they battered me. The cops later told my old man that on two other occasions they had taken younger boys and severely beaten them after robbing them.

Utter scum.

pilly

FTA69 wrote:

At age 12 I was robbed at knifepoint by one of these charming individuals and his mates and then frogmarched down an alley near Paul's St whereupon some people managed to disturb them before they battered me. The cops later told my old man that on two other occasions they had taken younger boys and severely beaten them after robbing them.

Jesus, what a horrible experience for you.

witchywoman

in my current employment courtesy of a c e scheme I am in daily contact with 2 people convicted of murder against a woman , several armed robbers , numerous drug dealers several people convicted of assault with a deadly weapon . i work alone in a back office and have to record signatures and etc of the above. I have a personal alarm in the event i am attacked . This work pays me 22 euro a week .

Widdershins

There isn't good in everyone. The bad ones know how to pretend they have a good side.

Sometimes I've glimpsed a badness in people over the years and, put it this way, I wouldn't like to live with them.

tomofson

about six years ago I was hit over the head with a plank of wood by a certain individual who earlier this year got a life sentence for stabbing a seventeen year old to death then dumping his body in a field. I would say he is truly bad not only because of what he done to me but what else I have heard of him doing to others.

Foweva Awone

There is an excellent book called "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson, it's well worth a read. It really illustrates the lack of empathy/emotions that makes psychopaths capable of the evil things that some of them do - and also makes you realise that there are plenty of "normal" psychopaths out there, who may never have done anything "wrong" and never will, and who are in fact very successful in life.

I personally have known plenty of people who are mentally ill who have done very evil acts during episodes of schizophrenia or psychosis or mania/depression etc, and I also alcoholics/addicts who have done awful things while they were in active addiction. When you meet them when they're doing well, many will come across as completely caring and normal and decent people. The behaviours may be evil, but that doesn't always necessary mean the person involved is evil.

I can only count on maybe one hand the number of people I've encountered who I'd consider to be truly poisonous and dangerous to society, and who I don't believe will ever be any different. However in all of these cases, the people were horrendously neglected and abused from a very young age. It might explain why they are how they are now, but it doesn't excuse it. And because of the way they are now, society would be safer with them locked away for life, which is very sad when they didn't choose to be a product of their genes/environment. I do believe some (very few) people are too fucked up to ever get better, though.

Widdershins

Foweva Awone wrote: »

There is an excellent book called "The Psychopath Test" by Jon Ronson, it's well worth a read. It really illustrates the lack of empathy/emotions that makes psychopaths capable of the evil things that some of them do - and also makes you realise that there are plenty of "normal" psychopaths out there, who may never have done anything "wrong" and never will, and who are in fact very successful in life.

I personally have known plenty of people who are mentally ill who have done very evil acts during episodes of schizophrenia or psychosis or mania/depression etc, and I also alcoholics/addicts who have done awful things while they were in active addiction. When you meet them when they're doing well, many will come across as completely caring and normal and decent people. The behaviours may be evil, but that doesn't always necessary mean the person involved is evil.

I can only count on maybe one hand the number of people I've encountered who I'd consider to be truly poisonous and dangerous to society, and who I don't believe will ever be any different. However in all of these cases, the people were horrendously neglected and abused from a very young age. It might explain why they are how they are now, but it doesn't excuse it. And because of the way they are now, society would be safer with them locked away for life, which is very sad when they didn't choose to be a product of their genes/environment. I do believe some (very few) people are too fucked up to ever get better, though.

Do psychopaths feel any emotion as a direct result of their evil behaviours or is it more of a matter of feeling remorseless about doing bad things along the way, to gain what they want? I'm under the impression that there's just nothing there (so to speak) where the compassionate area of the brain is (I think it is sometimes noticeable on brain scans), but do they derive amusement from badness?

Widdershins

Widdershins wrote: »

Do psychopaths feel any emotion as a direct result of their evil behaviours or is it more of a matter of feeling remorseless about doing bad things along the way, to gain what they want? I'm under the impression that there's just nothing there (so to speak) where the compassionate area of the brain is (I think it is sometimes noticeable on brain scans), but do they derive amusement from badness?

The general consensus among the psychiatric community (for what its worth) is that psychopaths are born. Brain scans will show in some cases underdevelopment of the parts that deal with empathy and compassion. They feel no guilt regarding their behaviour, no remorse for whatever it is they do to others. It's not possible for them to form and maintain a meaningful and deep connection with others but they will have no problem in forming a false and empty relationship which ultimately is for their own needs. They have zero understanding of others but can fake it.


Sociopaths are a little different. Instead of being born they are products of their environment. Huge trauma and abuse is often present in the early years. Real relationships are difficult to form but not impossible. A sociopath may find an attachment with similar minded individuals. They are also less likely to appear "normal". Psychopaths are master manipulators and can fool most of us in to thinking they are a regular Joe. They are often found in high powered positions and appear successful. The poor auld sociopath is more obviously disturbed. With them it's all about impulsive and erratic behaviour. Inability to hold down a job, addiction problems, in and out of jail.


I don't think I've ever encountered either type. Yet.

Colser

Where 2 people come together and carry out horrendous murders such as The Moors Murderers and Fred/Rose do you think that they're both as evil as each other or one leads the other on in the crimes?

Wanderer2010

Surprisingly, there is still a misconception out there that a person "couldn't possibly do something like that, they are so...normal, so....boring". Its a dangerous and patently untrue myth. People are capable of the most hideous and incomprehensibly savage acts towards each other. They don't wear a sign that says "Monster", they are more than likely that worker who sits next to you, smiles a good morning as you pass in the corridor and whom you would never in a million years think is capable of anything worse than swatting a fly.

That's the biggest shock about these serial killers etc- when you strip away the sensationalist evil grins and menacing music popularised by the many crime documentaries out there, their banality is absolutely remarkable.

Colser

Colser wrote: »

Where 2 people come together and carry out horrendous murders such as The Moors Murderers and Fred/Rose do you think that they're both as evil as each other or one leads the other on in the crimes?

I think with the Moors murders both of their confessions was a bit "he made me/she made me". There are some people who can be very easily manipulated by evil. Do you remember that awful case of the Lost Prophets singer? He was able to abuse a child because of the complicity of her mother.

erica74

My brother is a terrible person. Actually, I don't know if he still is as I don't see him anymore, but I don't know if you can ever be good after being so terrible.
He took away every happy memory I ever had of my childhood because he filled my head with terrible memories and there wasn't enough space in my head for it all.
I don't think he can ever be a good person. Maybe he has tried to be good to ease his conscience. Maybe he hasn't tried to be good because he isn't good.
I am so jealous of people who had a childhood, who had a child's mind, who enjoyed seeing the world as a child.

tomofson

erica74 wrote: »

My brother is a terrible person. Actually, I don't know if he still is as I don't see him anymore, but I don't know if you can ever be good after being so terrible.
He took away every happy memory I ever had of my childhood because he filled my head with terrible memories and there wasn't enough space in my head for it all.
I don't think he can ever be a good person. Maybe he has tried to be good to ease his conscience. Maybe he hasn't tried to be good because he isn't good.
I am so jealous of people who had a childhood, who had a child's mind, who enjoyed seeing the world as a child.

Some children are cruel like that but most grow out of it I would imagine.
I have a cousin who was very evil as a child but now as an adult he is just a normal person.

Robsweezie

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

That's the biggest shock about these serial killers etc- when you strip away the sensationalist evil grins and menacing music popularised by the many crime documentaries out there, their banality is absolutely remarkable.[/QUOTE

yeah, jimmy saville went unchallenged for years and managed to take his true nature to his grave. he spent all those years in entertainment as a hero and an icon. shame nobody ever spoke up when he was doing it.

erica74

erica74 wrote: »

My brother is a terrible person. Actually, I don't know if he still is as I don't see him anymore, but I don't know if you can ever be good after being so terrible.
He took away every happy memory I ever had of my childhood because he filled my head with terrible memories and there wasn't enough space in my head for it all.
I don't think he can ever be a good person. Maybe he has tried to be good to ease his conscience. Maybe he hasn't tried to be good because he isn't good.
I am so jealous of people who had a childhood, who had a child's mind, who enjoyed seeing the world as a child.

Erica you can now make wonderful memories which won't be tainted by badness. You can enjoy the life you have now. Keep looking forward and mind yourself.

Aineoil

When I was is first year in secondary school (1978/1979) we had a talk about make up, deportment etc from Catherine Nevin nee Scully.

I was young and very naive at the time but she scared the life out of me. She was so aggressive. I can remember that day like it was yesterday.

She was totally all about herself, her clothes, her husband etc. She told us she changed her outfits three times a day.

It was the late 70's and to be honest we didn't care about her outfit changes.

erica74

tomofson wrote: »

Some children are cruel like that but most grow out of it I would imagine.
I have a cousin who was very evil as a child but now as an adult he is just a normal person.

I'm not sure you can grow out of sexually abusing your sister and become a good person, can you? That's what I wonder about a lot. Is he good now because he has convinced himself that it is in his past? Is he normal? Can he be normal?