Formula 1 2017 - Round 11 - Hungary

Harika

We are back after a two week hiatus and we will see if Mercedes keeps the upper hand or if Ferrari can win like in Monaco at a track that is not as power hungry as Silverstone



TV times: live at Sky and Highlights at Channel 4


Friday Hungarian Grand Prix first practice Sky Sports F1 09:00
Friday Hungarian Grand Prix second practice Sky Sports F1 13:00
Saturday Hungarian Grand Prix third practice Sky Sports F1 10:00
Saturday Hungarian Grand Prix qualifying Sky Sports F1 13:00
Sunday Hungarian Grand Prix Sky Sports F1 13:00


On Tuesday the in season test starts.

skipper_G

Have no choice but to watch on Sky this weekend. Who will be on with Croft instead of Brundle. DiResta? Even I would choose him ahead of Herbert

Jordan 199

It's a shame C4 aren't showing this live going into the break.

skipper_G

KMag was quality in the press conference. "There's a reason a Ferrari is more exciting than a Mazda"
"If it's sh1t, it's sh1t"

Talking about the halo

Charlie-Bravo

Gio put Kmag's car into the wall in FP1. Not good! Session red flagged.

Joeface

FP1 time sheet

Pos Driver Team Time
1 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'18.486
2 Rkönen FIN Ferrari 1'18.720
3 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'18.858
4 Verstappen NED Red Bull 1'19.162
5 Bottas FIN Mercedes 1'19.248
6 Vettel GER Ferrari 1'19.563
7 Alonso ESP McLaren 1'19.987
8 Vandoorne BEL McLaren 1'20.005
9 Hülkenberg GER Renault 1'20.150
10 Palmer GBR Renault 1'20.461
11 Massa BRA Williams 1'20.540
12 Perez MEX Force India 1'20.574
13 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'20.780
14 Sainz ESP Toro Rosso 1'20.917
15 Stroll CAN Williams 1'20.974
16 Grosjean FRA Haas 1'21.313
17 Celis MEX Force India 1'21.602
18 Ericsson SWE Sauber 1'21.785
19 Giovinazzi ITA Haas 1'22.251
20 Wehrlein GER Sauber 1'22.490

recyclebin

McLaren improving again. I could see them being the 4th fastest team by end of season but the constructors championship probably won't reflect it as they have too much catching up to do points wise.

HigginsJ

recyclebin wrote: »

McLaren improving again. I could see them being the 4th fastest team by end of season but the constructors championship probably won't reflect it as they have too much catching up to do points wise.

It's been a few PF1's in a row now where McLaren have been comfortably in the top 10 but it has all come to nought, best to keep the powder dry for the moment. Hungary is also about the best cicuit for McLaren, it was part of the reason Alonso took so many penalties at the last race.

Frank Bullitt

Jaysis, Palmer must have killed a village full of cats to get this kind of luck.

skipper_G

Gintonious wrote: »

Jaysis, Palmer must have killed a village full of cats to get this kind of luck.

It would appear from the outside that he is crumbling under the pressure

boardsuser1

astrofluff wrote: »

Gio put Kmag's car into the wall in FP1. Not good! Session red flagged.

The way he keeps crashing it looks like a successor to Maldonado has been found.

Only this guy will never start an F1 race again as a result most likely.

Joeface

FP2 Time sheet
Pos Driver Team Time
1 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'18.455
2 Vettel GER Ferrari 1'18.638
3 Bottas FIN Mercedes 1'18.656
4 Rkönen FIN Ferrari 1'18.755
5 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'18.779
6 Verstappen NED Red Bull 1'18.951
7 Hülkenberg GER Renault 1'19.714
8 Alonso ESP McLaren 1'19.815
9 Sainz ESP Toro Rosso 1'19.834
10 Vandoorne BEL McLaren 1'19.909
11 Ocon FRA Force India 1'20.126
12 Perez MEX Force India 1'20.266
13 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'20.577
14 Stroll CAN Williams 1'20.791
15 Massa BRA Williams 1'20.869
16 Palmer GBR Renault 1'21.175
17 Magnussen DEN Haas 1'21.345
18 Grosjean FRA Haas 1'21.504
19 Ericsson SWE Sauber 1'21.559
20 Wehrlein GER Sauber 1'21.722


Midfield very close on times ...Whats it like for overtaking .

Never mind I remember it now.

Phoenix Wright

astrofluff wrote:

Gio put Kmag's car into the wall in FP1. Not good! Session red flagged.

He's building quite the reputation for himself..

HigginsJ

Joeface wrote: »

FP2 Time sheet
Pos Driver Team Time
1 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'18.455
2 Vettel GER Ferrari 1'18.638
3 Bottas FIN Mercedes 1'18.656
4 Rkönen FIN Ferrari 1'18.755
5 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'18.779
6 Verstappen NED Red Bull 1'18.951
7 Hülkenberg GER Renault 1'19.714
8 Alonso ESP McLaren 1'19.815
9 Sainz ESP Toro Rosso 1'19.834
10 Vandoorne BEL McLaren 1'19.909
11 Ocon FRA Force India 1'20.126
12 Perez MEX Force India 1'20.266
13 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'20.577
14 Stroll CAN Williams 1'20.791
15 Massa BRA Williams 1'20.869
16 Palmer GBR Renault 1'21.175
17 Magnussen DEN Haas 1'21.345
18 Grosjean FRA Haas 1'21.504
19 Ericsson SWE Sauber 1'21.559
20 Wehrlein GER Sauber 1'21.722

Midfield very close on times ...Whats it like for overtaking .

Never mind I remember it now.

Hamiltons fastest time was on softs, everyone else was supersoft. Would love to see another Danny Ric win this weekend. Surprised to see the Haas cars so far off the pace after a few promising races. Poor Palmer, probably his best shot of the season to get points and he is making an absolute mess of things.

boardsuser1

Joeface wrote: »

FP2 Time sheet
Pos Driver Team Time
1 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'18.455
2 Vettel GER Ferrari 1'18.638
3 Bottas FIN Mercedes 1'18.656
4 Rkönen FIN Ferrari 1'18.755
5 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'18.779
6 Verstappen NED Red Bull 1'18.951
7 Hülkenberg GER Renault 1'19.714
8 Alonso ESP McLaren 1'19.815
9 Sainz ESP Toro Rosso 1'19.834
10 Vandoorne BEL McLaren 1'19.909
11 Ocon FRA Force India 1'20.126
12 Perez MEX Force India 1'20.266
13 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'20.577
14 Stroll CAN Williams 1'20.791
15 Massa BRA Williams 1'20.869
16 Palmer GBR Renault 1'21.175
17 Magnussen DEN Haas 1'21.345
18 Grosjean FRA Haas 1'21.504
19 Ericsson SWE Sauber 1'21.559
20 Wehrlein GER Sauber 1'21.722


Midfield very close on times ...Whats it like for overtaking .

Never mind I remember it now.

The Hulk is 1.4 seconds faster than poor ol JP.
If he doesn't score here where else possibly?

Charlie-Bravo

What we can read from the times is what cars have a better chassis. Power is not as important here. Renault are catching up, Red Bull is their yard stick. Williams are way down, so the Merc engine is not saving them. Same with Haas, their chassis is not as good and they aren't doing well although they have a Ferrari engine. Hopefully this race will be nicely mixed up but I do see Merc/Hamilton running away with.

Joeface

Ricciardo out of FP3 , stuck in 5th gear .

Simon Gruber Says

Vettel had a great lap. Half a second faster than Kimi and a second faster than Bottas.

Interesting situation for Sky. Bundle is off sick and was supposed to be replaced by DiResta however, Massa is ill and DiResta may actually have to drive in the race.

Harika

Guess Davidson or Hill would jump in if di resta drives the Williams

Ghost Train

Mercedes about a second off the pace in FP3

I presume Davidson could do the commentary and they could work without the skypad or have someone prepare it for him after the race

antodeco

Confirmed Di Resta will replace Massa.

I think Vet will crash in this race towards the start. Maybe a torpedo scenario again

Simon Gruber Says

I call for a safety car caused by or involving Sainz.

Random race prediction.

AMKC

astrofluff wrote: »

What we can read from the times is what cars have a better chassis. Power is not as important here. Renault are catching up, Red Bull is their yard stick. Williams are way down, so the Merc engine is not saving them. Same with Haas, their chassis is not as good and they aren't doing well although they have a Ferrari engine. Hopefully this race will be nicely mixed up but I do see Merc/Hamilton running away with.

What about Mclaren and Force India? This race is there best chance for some more points.

antodeco wrote: »

Confirmed Di Resta will replace Massa.

Has Di Resta even driven the new cars? Poor Massa hope he gets better.

I think Vet will crash in this race towards the start. Maybe a torpedo scenario again

Confirmed Di Resta will replace Massa.

Has Di Resta even driven the new cars? Poor Massa hope he gets better.

I think Vet will crash in this race towards the start. Maybe a torpedo scenario again

I hope not. Think has had enough bad luck the last couple of years. Would like to see him win this race or at least be ahead of Hamilton that way it keeps the championship interesting and still ongoing.

skipper_G

Last race Martin Brundle taken ill replaced by DiResta.
This race Felipe Massa taken ill replaced by DiResta.

Not suggesting anything sinister, maybe just a coincidence. Eaten any souls lately Paul ?

Phoenix Wright

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

I call for a safety car caused by or involving Sainz.

Random race prediction.

I predict another clash between Perez and Ocon.

Vic_08

skipper_G wrote: »

Last race Martin Brundle taken ill replaced by DiResta.
This race Felipe Massa taken ill replaced by DiResta.

Not suggesting anything sinister, maybe just a coincidence. Eaten any souls lately Paul ?

I don't know about that but I'd happily put some laxative in Massa's lunch to avoid spending two days in a small box with Croft.

Harika

Di resta already within 107% and that's all that counts and not crashing the car

skipper_G

Palmer 6 tenths slower than Hulk after 11 rounds.
DiResta never driven the car before 7 tenths slower than Stroll.

skipper_G

PMSL at Sky commentators.
"Let's see what Jolyon can do, can he outqualify his teammate for the first time this season?"
Palmer laps 1 second slower than Hulk.
"That's a handy lap from Hulk"

H3llR4iser

Wow, Force Indias are really unsuited to the Hungaroring.

Also, two McLarens in Q3...when was the last time?

Harika

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Wow, Force Indias are really unsuited to the Hungaroring.

Also, two McLarens in Q3...when was the last time?

Hakkinen coulthard Hungary 1999 #fakenews

skipper_G

Will be interesting to see how Mercedes handle the strategy now with Bottas ahead of Hamilton

Delboy2015

I'm sure we'll heard lots about Hamilton's vibrating tyres now from Sky and Co.

skipper_G

Apparently Massa has the same thing as Brundle. 10 cases now reported in the paddock.

Harika

Great formula two race.

Joeface

Grid Penalty for Kyvatt for holding up Stroll

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/131004/latest-penalty-takes-kvyat-closer-to-race-ban

H3llR4iser

skipper_G wrote: »

Apparently Massa has the same thing as Brundle. 10 cases now reported in the paddock.

Same thing as Brundle? Any information of what it'd be?

skipper_G

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Same thing as Brundle? Any information of what it'd be?

Viral labrynthitis. Some sort of nasty ear infection that can cause dizziness nausea and vomiting

H3llR4iser

skipper_G wrote: »

Viral labrynthitis. Some sort of nasty ear infection that can cause dizziness nausea and vomiting

Hold on...Di Resta taking their place here is the common factor! We have it confirmed, Paul Di Resta has a vial of the virus and infected them :D:D

Mech1

skipper_G wrote: »

Viral labrynthitis. Some sort of nasty ear infection that can cause dizziness nausea and vomiting

So it wasnt the screen making Vettle dizzy?

Charlie-Bravo

Mech1 wrote: »

So it wasnt the screen making Vettle dizzy?

Hi Pat good to see you knocking about here. Hope the feed is going well over in Aviation

flazio

I seem to recall Brundle saying the illness took hold while in the Williams motorhome. I'm not trusting the catering there in any case.

Hamilton is already dismissing any chance of him winning but I wouldn't be so sure. Undercut Bottas in the pit-stop, watch Ferrari f*ck up their strategies and he'll have a more comfortable summer break.

Jordan 199

Joeface wrote: »

Grid Penalty for Kyvatt for holding up Stroll

I think he will get a race ban this year.

flazio

Kvyat. The new Pastor Maldonando

HigginsJ

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I think he will get a race ban this year.

I agree & I think a race ban will be curtains for Kyvat. He is being destroyed by Sainz & you'd have to imagine that they would bring Gasly in for the remaining races.

Jeff2

I'm happy to see Alonso and Van up there in this race.

Let Farrari and Marc take each other out first bend and Max win with Alonso on the podium.:)

Wanderer78

Jeff2 wrote: »

I'm happy to see Alonso and Van up there in this race.

Let Farrari and Marc take each other out first bend and Max win with Alonso on the podium.:)

are mac/honda finally sorting their **** out?

Jeff2

Wanderer78 wrote: »

are mac/honda finally sorting their **** out?

I'd say 50/50 luck and sorting.
They have been put out of races by being hit by cars as well their own problem of not being able to finsh.

So Max 1, Danny 2,Alonso 3.

I would love that because Danny alwas makes me lough.:)

Wanderer78

Jeff2 wrote: »

I'd say 50/50 luck and sorting.
They have been put out of races by being hit by cars as well their own problem of not being able to finsh.

So Max 1, Danny 2,Alonso 3.

I would love that because Danny alwas makes me lough.:)

danny's a legend:)

Jeff2

I will say one thing about the honda team no mater what is said the drivers do seem posative just about all the time while other team drivers are quick to blame the team and car for not doing well.

Vic_08

Wanderer78 wrote: »

are mac/honda finally sorting their **** out?

Honda are still in the sh1ts but Hungary is not as power dependent as most circuits so the chassis and aero are more dominant. As alot of commentators have been saying this year's McLaren is a pretty good car.

Remember McLaren took engine penalties at Silverstone specifically to have a decent chance of making the chequered flag at Hungary as they know it'll be their best chance of a result this year.