just found this site. Son desperate for work

kevin67

I will get him to join here but my son left school last year and never got enough points to go to college

But he is really struggling at home and his confidence is way low.
He is 20 (today) and has only had one part time job and that was packing shelves in Dunnes at Christmas

His confidence is so low that this is all he thinks he can do even though he is a clever boy, well man.
That is why I think he struggles to get a job as he doesn’t come across well in interviews

He is a member of agency sites and public jobs.ie

Anyone have any advice, or better, jobs that they can give?
I think he would be a good customer service rep as he loves interacting with people

We live near Maynooth Co Kildare

PS if he does join on here I will need to get admin to delete this thread

Evil-p

Kevin,

Would you son consider signing up for a PLC course? It doesn't really matter what it is as long as it is something that he has some interest in. If you move now he may get a place for Sept. It will give an extra year to mature and put something tangible on his CV. He may be an introvert but lots of introverts works and do well. He just has to find his niche. Or would he consider applying for an apprenticeship? Do you know anyone who could get him in somewhere. I'm sure once he got into somewhere and got to know a job his confidence would increase.

noble00

Hi I think your son should make an appointment with a guidance counsellor they will help boost cv and prepare him for interviews

kevin67

Evil-p wrote: »

Kevin,

Would you son consider signing up for a PLC course? It doesn't really matter what it is as long as it is something that he has some interest in. If you move now he may get a place for Sept. It will give an extra year to mature and put something tangible on his CV. He may be an introvert but lots of introverts works and do well. He just has to find his niche. Or would he consider applying for an apprenticeship? Do you know anyone who could get him in somewhere. I'm sure once he got into somewhere and got to know a job his confidence would increase.

tried asking him to do PLC and he refused. I think he hated school so much that he is terrified to go back and we cannot force him
I also tried to get him involved with a few mates who have trades, but he doesn’t want to do anything manual

So it has to be an office, whether call centre, or clerical work but everything he has gone for he hasn’t got

But thanks for your advice it is really appreciated

kevin67

noble00 wrote: »

Hi I think your son should make an appointment with a guidance counsellor they will help boost cv and prepare him for interviews

didn't even know we had them in Ireland

will look at that as well

kevin67

kevin67 wrote: »

............ he is a clever boy, well man.
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I think he would be a good customer service rep as he loves interacting with people

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kevin67 wrote: »

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So it has to be an office, whether call centre, or clerical work but everything he has gone for he hasn’t got

But thanks for your advice it is really appreciated

Would he consider doing QFA exams? They aren't overly tough. You can do one at a time, once you have regulation done and another one who are a approved product advisor and you get a certificate (level 7 on the national framework).

Register and get the course book posted to you. It's DIY so no actual college, there's a one day revision course about a month before exam.

€300 ish per exam.

If he's limiting himself to call centre or clerical work it would open doors to banks etc too perhaps.

noble00

Yeah I'm sure there is one in every community maybe contact citizens info and they may be able to help , I think it would really help him it certainly won't do any harm

gizmo81

He really should consider a PLC course it's completely different to school and they range in areas from media, film, drama to travel and tourism, accounting and business. Health and fitness. What are his interests?

http://www.plccourses.ie/plc/category/plc-courses

He will be in time to secure a place and will be entitled perhaps to supports for this.

Living in Kildare he'll be able to commute to Dublin easily.

gizmo81

There's a huge range of courses on computer stuff which I presume most young people have an interest in

https://www.findacourse.ie/searchResult.html

He might be feeling a bit disillusioned after the leaving but tell him I know people who haven't a leaving, have done plc courses and gone on to Degrees, Masters and one instance a PhD. It might not be the road well traveled but there are options for him.

kevin67

will take all comments/suggestions/links etc and present it to him

that will be a great birthday present for him

Bartyman

There are also some very good free course's posted here on a daily basis.

Not all are applicable, but one or two could go towards building his confidence.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=104200508#post104200508

spurious

He should make an appointment with his local ETB (used to be VEC) Adult Ed. Officer. They will know all his options.

JigglyMcJabs

kevin67 wrote: »

I will get him to join here but my son left school last year and never got enough points to go to college

But he is really struggling at home and his confidence is way low.
He is 20 (today) and has only had one part time job and that was packing shelves in Dunnes at Christmas

His confidence is so low that this is all he thinks he can do even though he is a clever boy, well man.
That is why I think he struggles to get a job as he doesn’t come across well in interviews

He is a member of agency sites and public jobs.ie

Anyone have any advice, or better, jobs that they can give?
I think he would be a good customer service rep as he loves interacting with people

We live near Maynooth Co Kildare

PS if he does join on here I will need to get admin to delete this thread

He needs further education or training, it's that simple.

I would suggest that you get on to several plc colleges and request course information by post. Put it all in front of your son and get him to pick one he likes, then suggest he does some research online about the course and the subjects.

I think you need to convince him that 3rd level is very different to secondary, ring the principal in a plc college and explain that your son is a bit nervous of third level after a bad experience at secondary, ask if your son could get a tour or speak to a student one on one for a chat.

There are also distance learning courses like the open university, which are well respected, it would show initiative on his CV and maybe it would spark a desire for further education.

trihead

If he comes round to the idea of a PLC course this site is the main portal for listing courses

https://www.fetchcourses.ie

There is a plc college in Dunboyne which isn't too far from Maynooth

http://www.dunboynecollege.ie/

There will be places on many of these courses to start in September so its best to do some research and starting contacting colleges in August if he is interested.

Wanderer78

It makes me angry to hear your sons story, our educational system fails some people really badly which can have devastating effects emotionally. Plc would be a great option for him, I'm sure there's others. Best of luck

Bandana boy

Think it might be time for some tough love , I know growing up the rule in our house was either be in education or a job , otherwise there is the door.

trihead

Please see also

http://www.apprenticeship.ie

Apprenticeships currently available include those in Construction, Electrical, Engineering, Finance and Motor. See full break down at http://www.apprenticeship.ie/en/apprentice/Pages/ApprenticeInfo.aspx

Could be another option - there are loads of choices out there but you son will have be a bit more proactive in searching these out and deciding his future career path.

Best of luck!!

Wanderer78

Highly risky, and could backfire spectacularly, this chap needs a lot of support to get himself back on his feet. We have very little to go on here, we 've no idea where this chap is emotionally, he needs support

Bandana boy

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Highly risky, and could backfire spectacularly, this chaps needs a lot of support to get himself back in his feet. We have very little to go on here, we 've no idea where this chap is emotionally, he needs support

I hear you but he has been sitting at home for two years , a firm ultimatum could be the kick in the backside he needs.
Stacking shelves in a supermarket would be better for him than facilitating nothing , and nothing like a mind numbing job with no prospects for a couple of months to bring the attractiveness of education firmly into focus.

Wanderer78

Bandana boy wrote:

I hear you but he has been sitting at home for two years , a firm ultimatum could be the kick in the backside he needs. Stacking shelves in a supermarket would be better for him than facilitating nothing , and nothing like a mind numbing job with no prospects for a couple of months to bring the attractiveness of education firmly into focus.

I disagree there, there's a possibility of emotional problems here such as depression, we don't know this for sure and I'm not saying that this is the case either, but sometimes tough love truly can backfire. He just needs help and support getting him back on his feet, and it's clearly obvious his parents are worried, and are doing everything they can in doing so, including asking here.

noble00

I have to agree don't be too hard on him he will eventually find his way just give him guidance and let him know your there to support him , it's a tough world out there , just talk to him find out what his passion is and work from there best of luck

one armed dwarf

Yeah, when you're feeling emotionally unwell it's not unusual to not really understand that you're actually sick. Which is something that 'tough love' doesn't really remedy.

Of course part of getting better does inevitably involve some tough love also. Especially when you're a very avoidant guy, that's a bad problem to have (speaking from experience)

B-D-P--

Dont be worried, Many people come from leaving cert with similar conditions.

The trick is to not sit idle, When interviewing, I always ask what have you been doing for last XXX months.

If the answer is Nothing or Looking for work, its a not good.

Ok your looking for work, but interviews take 1 hour, During your downtime you should be looking to upskill, The internet is full of courses.

Lynda.com being a great source.

What about getting into Software Development? Start with a few online courses, from there he might get a taste and decide he does want to do a PLC and from there to College.

Software Development is full of introverts who hated Secondary School, But really enjoyed the course because they meet likeminded people.

I just cant emphasis enough how bad it is to sit idle for too long. You appear lazy, even if your not.

The Mulk

http://fit.ie/etb_course/manufacturing-technician-maintenance-skills-2/

What are his interests,
Have a look at this link, it's in Celbridge near the Applegreen garage. Not sure on entry criteria for this course.

Bicycle

Could you get him doing voluntary work in an area that interests him? That might give him confidence and build up his skills portfolio.

What does your son do all day? Does he watch TV or just play computer games?

Futurelearn has a lot of free courses that your son could do in his free time, just to build up skills or do something different. They have one currently running on employment and skills. https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/career-smart-sell-yourself?lr=27

But there are others.

If you are worried about depression or other issues, speak to your GP who may be able to guide you. Your problem with a 20 year old is that while you have a moral obligation you don't have a legal obligation therefore you can't act on their behalf. Even if you are worried sick.

petethedrummer

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Dont be worried, Many people come from leaving cert with similar conditions.

The trick is to not sit idle, When interviewing, I always ask what have you been doing for last XXX months.

If the answer is Nothing or Looking for work, its a not good.

Ok your looking for work, but interviews take 1 hour, During your downtime you should be looking to upskill, The internet is full of courses.

Lynda.com being a great source.

What about getting into Software Development? Start with a few online courses, from there he might get a taste and decide he does want to do a PLC and from there to College.

Software Development is full of introverts who hated Secondary School, But really enjoyed the course because they meet likeminded people.

I just cant emphasis enough how bad it is to sit idle for too long. You appear lazy, even if your not.

Great Post. I have a mate who hires people for his company. If the person applying is not working or studying in some capacity the application goes in the bin.

I work in engineering with lots of guys who have difficulty with spelling but are excellent engineers. If spelling and reading is not a problem, you can get pretty proficient in foreign languages on Babbel/Memrise/DuoLingo on your phone & iPad, for free! I attended classes for French in the last few years but made far more progress with the apps than the class, from Beginner to Intermediate level.

If he doesn't already, I would make the kid work around the house for his food and board. Up at 8am and doing some physical jobs. Maybe give him some small administrative projects like getting the family lower TV/Phone and Utility bills.

But if he was to do one thing I would urge him to do courses in Microsoft Excel. It's such a huge part of the working world and high proficiency in Excel would mean he could walk into any office and be useful.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Augeo wrote: »

Would he consider doing QFA exams? They aren't overly tough. You can do one at a time, once you have regulation done and another one who are a approved product advisor and you get a certificate (level 7 on the national framework).

Register and get the course book posted to you. It's DIY so no actual college, there's a one day revision course about a month before exam.

€300 ish per exam.

If he's limiting himself to call centre or clerical work it would open doors to banks etc too perhaps.

I worked in both call centers and banks, call centers trump banks from my experience.

What is your son interested in OP? That's where I would start. Also, there are quite a few courses that don't require points. There's plenty of options outside of college which are available to him. If he is receiving unemployment benefit, he may also be eligible for some courses on Solas.

Also, mental health issues seems to be the easy option. It crops it's ugly head up all the time. Mental health is a serious issue, it shouldn't be used at every single opportunity. It shouldn't be used as an excuse for laziness (no offense OP, but while your son might not have a lot of confidence now, is he actually motivated to get a job?).

bunderoon

Exactly what Evil-P said.

I can speak from personal experience. My younger brother was in a similar situation. He had no interest in school and didnt have a clue what he wanted to do. He was in his late teens and had a very negative outlook on virtually everything.
We persuaded him to get a job in a local hotel kitchen, just to get out of the house and earn some money.
While there, he saw how the kitchen worked and got talking to the chef. That chat and the spark of interest lead him to apply for a chefing course in GMIT Galway. Long story short, after finishing the course he went to London and learned his trade. Now in Australia for a couple of year and I've never seen the lad so happy. His trade means he is free to go anwhere.

The course was as much an apprenticeship as it was academic. This suited him down to the ground because he failed to get proper support in school which in turn, made him hate school/education. I would hazard a guess that your son experienced the same.

Anyway, I hope the above will be of some benefit.

Wanderer78

Duke Low Case wrote: »

Also, mental health issues seems to be the easy option. It crops it's ugly head up all the time. Mental health is a serious issue, it shouldn't be used at every single opportunity. It shouldn't be used as an excuse for laziness (no offense OP, but while your son might not have a lot of confidence now, is he actually motivated to get a job?).

ive spent most of my life battling mental health issues, dyslexia and probable autism, trust me, sometimes it really isnt 'laziness', ive been informed from an experienced well educated special needs assistant, the most common misunderstanding and misdiagnosis of these issues is indeed 'laziness', particularly learning disabilities. you d be surprised how much negative effect low self confidence can have on a person

irishman86

kevin67 wrote: »

I will get him to join here but my son left school last year and never got enough points to go to college

But he is really struggling at home and his confidence is way low.
He is 20 (today) and has only had one part time job and that was packing shelves in Dunnes at Christmas

His confidence is so low that this is all he thinks he can do even though he is a clever boy, well man.
That is why I think he struggles to get a job as he doesn’t come across well in interviews

He is a member of agency sites and public jobs.ie

Anyone have any advice, or better, jobs that they can give?
I think he would be a good customer service rep as he loves interacting with people

We live near Maynooth Co Kildare

PS if he does join on here I will need to get admin to delete this thread

Maybe look at Garda recruiting or access courses for Uni. Im nearly certain Maynooth have one

scamalert

is there a chance he could get BTEA ? since focusing on job when 20 might get him very well trapped in job that wont have any perspectives.While some dont realize that college is one of the better parts in life and seems he could use some freedom before locking in on what they want to do, there are still couple months left before colleges start, leaving cert scores shouldn't be factor deciding on what one is supposed to do or capable, since for some it takes few years to realize what they are good at, and college experience even if for a year would be more beneficial then some dead end job when looking at perspectives in future.

irishman86

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It makes me angry to hear your sons story, our educational system fails some people really badly which can have devastating effects emotionally. Plc would be a great option for him, I'm sure there's others. Best of luck

Its to easy to blame the education system. Like has been mentioned already there is plenty of options for him. PLC/Access/Trade/Garda/Etc
I think the problem in Ireland is people who dont get points or do badly in LC just give up. There is a arrogance about doing courses like PLC for some reason

Wanderer78

scamalert wrote: »

is there a chance he could get BTEA ? since focusing on job when 20 might get him very well trapped in job that wont have any perspectives.While some dont realize that college is one of the better parts in life and seems he could use some freedom before locking in on what they want to do, there are still couple months left before colleges start, leaving cert scores shouldn't be factor deciding on what one is supposed to do or capable, since for some it takes few years to realize what they are good at, and college experience even if for a year would be more beneficial then some dead end job when looking at perspectives in future.

i think btea is only available to 'mature' students of a certain age, i.e. he may not qualify but its worth investigating. i suspect third level might be overwhelming at the moment anyway, might be a better option later in life.

Wanderer78

irishman86 wrote: »

Its to easy to blame the education system. Like has been mentioned already there is plenty of options for him. PLC/Access/Trade/Garda/Etc
I think the problem in Ireland is people who dont get points or do badly in LC just give up. There is a arrogance about doing courses like PLC for some reason

ah ive met a lot of people in life now that have struggled largely due to the treatment they got while in our educational system, as ive mentioned previously, ive discussed this in depth with professionals including counselling psychologists, educational psychologists etc, all in agreement and even going further in their explanation of the complex issues our educational systems causes in some.

irishman86

noble00 wrote: »

I have to agree don't be too hard on him he will eventually find his way just give him guidance and let him know your there to support him , it's a tough world out there , just talk to him find out what his passion is and work from there best of luck

Im not saying be hard on the lad, but people dont always find the way. I know lads who are nearing thirty now who have been saying the same thing from the day they left secondary school. Sometimes people need to be pushed from the nest to grow up.
The father has already given the lad options which have been shot down, sometimes its time to lay down the law

Agent Smith

kevin67 wrote: »

I will get him to join here but my son left school last year and never got enough points to go to college

But he is really struggling at home and his confidence is way low.
He is 20 (today) and has only had one part time job and that was packing shelves in Dunnes at Christmas

His confidence is so low that this is all he thinks he can do even though he is a clever boy, well man.
That is why I think he struggles to get a job as he doesn’t come across well in interviews

He is a member of agency sites and public jobs.ie

Anyone have any advice, or better, jobs that they can give?
I think he would be a good customer service rep as he loves interacting with people

We live near Maynooth Co Kildare

PS if he does join on here I will need to get admin to delete this thread

HP in leixlip are usually hiring as long as he speaks english. CPL does the outsourcing for their call centres. It mightnt be exactly he wants to do for the rest of his life, but will give him a bit of purpose (and cash!) while he's trying to figure things out!

Johner

There are some new apprenticeships being rolled out in Ireland that aren't the usual Plumbing, Electrical etc.

How about insurance?

http://info.iii.ie/apprenticeships2017-register-your-interest

There's a list of apprenticeships currently in development on this site,

https://careersportal.ie/apprenticeships/traditional_apprenticeships.php?client_id=134&sector_id=14&ed_sub_cat_id=244#New

Johner

Also a few of the recruitment agencies in Kildare are recruiting for the Aldi Distribution Centre in Naas. Tough work but a solid first job that pays well and get's him some experience in the working world if he would be interested in something like that.

irishman86

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah ive met a lot of people in life now that have struggled largely due to the treatment they got while in our educational system, as ive mentioned previously, ive discussed this in depth with professionals including counselling psychologists, educational psychologists etc, all in agreement and even going further in their explanation of the complex issues our educational systems causes in some.

Ive also had coversations with people about this. Teachers arent doctors they cant diagnose problems in people when a problem is diagnosed they deal with it.
As for treatment, what do you mean by this, the Irish educational system is fine the LC may not be but the actual educational system isnt the problem.
Like I said people sometimes rather not try than fail that cant be blamed on the system its to easy. Ive seen lads who arent cut out for the education system who thrive in other ways like Chef/IT this also isnt the systems fault.
Its just to easy to blame one thing.
If you want to do something there is usually a way.
For example study law in NUIG has high points but you dont get it. Do Arts and pick law and get it that way. Didnt get enough points for Arts do a access course to get into Arts. It might take longer but its just a lazy attitude that stops most people.
So you see how someone can get to be a lawyer starting from a very low place

Wanderer78

irishman86 wrote: »

Ive also had coversations with people about this. Teachers arent doctors they cant diagnose problems in people when a problem is diagnosed they deal with it.
As for treatment, what do you mean by this, the Irish educational system is fine the LC may not be but the actual educational system isnt the problem.
Like I said people sometimes rather not try than fail that cant be blamed on the system its to easy. Ive seen lads who arent cut out for the education system who thrive in other ways like Chef/IT this also isnt the systems fault.
Its just to easy to blame one thing.
If you want to do something there is usually a way.
For example study law in NUIG has high points but you dont get it. Do Arts and pick law and get it that way. Didnt get enough points for Arts do a access course to get into Arts. It might take longer but its just a lazy attitude that stops most people.
So you see how someone can get to be a lawyer starting from a very low place

please refer to my previous posts regarding this statement. again the professionals ive spoken to as mentioned would disagree as do i after spending almost 30 years studying in our educational system, im afraid, a one size fits all system does actually fail some, and some very badly.

viclemronny

Johner wrote: »

There are some new apprenticeships being rolled out in Ireland that aren't the usual Plumbing, Electrical etc.

How about insurance?

http://info.iii.ie/apprenticeships2017-register-your-interest

There's a list of apprenticeships currently in development on this site,

https://careersportal.ie/apprenticeships/traditional_apprenticeships.php?client_id=134&sector_id=14&ed_sub_cat_id=244#New

If you scroll to the bottom of this page, there are entry requirements:

https://www.earnandlearn.ie/insurance-apprenticeships

He will likely have to do an interview to be taken on. If he is lacking in confidence, it might not be the worst thing for him to go to someone who coaches interview skills, go on practice ones, even a family member or family friend who is experienced in hiring people could help give him the confidence boost.

irishman86

Wanderer78 wrote: »

please refer to my previous posts regarding this statement. again the professionals ive spoken to as mentioned would disagree as do i after spending almost 30 years studying in our educational system, im afraid, a one size fits all system does actually fail some, and some very badly.

You didnt, I never said you did. I made a point about how people give up wheIn there is plenty of options. Off course sometimes it fails, there is no fail proof system. Ireland has a back up system in place which people choose to ignore, thats my point.
Like I said, i know people in place in both the school system and outside and the view I seen held is people need to look at themselves sometimes. I gave you very example of how something like becoming a lawyer is possible if you want to work for it, something that many dont want to do expecting it to just be handed to them.
Its already been said mental health/Educational system cant always be used as a excuse and gets peddled out far to often

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ah ive met a lot of people in life now that have struggled largely due to the treatment they got while in our educational system, as ive mentioned previously, ive discussed this in depth with professionals including counselling psychologists, educational psychologists etc, all in agreement and even going further in their explanation of the complex issues our educational systems causes in some.

There's a plethora of very very successful people who have had the exact same exposure as those who are deemed unsuccessful. I think you are looking for a scape goat to be honest.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

please refer to my previous posts regarding this statement. again the professionals ive spoken to as mentioned would disagree as do i after spending almost 30 years studying in our educational system, im afraid, a one size fits all system does actually fail some, and some very badly.

All of your examples are anecdotal or hear-say. Also, 30 years is a bit much, unless you are including university/college which is no comparison to primary/secondary school. 14 years is a normal amount of time spend in education, excluding third level.

liamofT

If he is not sure what he wants to do it might be worth looking at mooc-list.com. there are 100s of courses there from top universities there that he could try for free, some still have free certs. He could have a go at a few to see what they are like b4 committing to a PLC or other 3rd level course and if he found his niche it would give him a head start.
Basic it skills like excel and word are always worthwhile and often solely needed in offices as others have mentioned especially at entry level.
Good luck to him

YourSuperior

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ive spent most of my life battling mental health issues, dyslexia and probable autism, trust me, sometimes it really isnt 'laziness', ive been informed from an experienced well educated special needs assistant, the most common misunderstanding and misdiagnosis of these issues is indeed 'laziness', particularly learning disabilities. you d be surprised how much negative effect low self confidence can have on a person

Yeah, too many knuckle dragging dumbasses out there unfortunately. ''Sure I'm just grand meself like.'' ''Mental illness sure they must putting it on''. 'I just go for a walk meself.'' ''Me granny had a fierce hard time of it, she never complained'', etc, etc, etc.

the_syco

Agent Smith wrote: »

HP in leixlip are usually hiring as long as he speaks english. CPL does the outsourcing for their call centres. It mightnt be exactly he wants to do for the rest of his life, but will give him a bit of purpose (and cash!) while he's trying to figure things out!

This. To get here during the day, you take the 66 to the catolic church in Leixlip, and walk up the road, but if you go in the morning, you get off at Louisa Bridge, and get a shuttle bus to HP.

=-=

If he'd like to learn a skill, Ballyfermot PLC is probably your best bet; http://www.bcfe.ie

You take the 66 to Chapelizard, and then the 76 to outside the PLC.

kevin67

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ive spent most of my life battling mental health issues, dyslexia and probable autism, trust me, sometimes it really isnt 'laziness', ive been informed from an experienced well educated special needs assistant, the most common misunderstanding and misdiagnosis of these issues is indeed 'laziness', particularly learning disabilities. you d be surprised how much negative effect low self confidence can have on a person

wow this thread has grown legs and again thanks to everyone


I better explain about my son a bit more and if by chance he does register on here I better get this thread deleted

Similar to yourself my son suffered dyslexia and speech/language problems

When we came over here from UK we had to pay to get him speech therapy and it worked but he hated it with a passion because he felt different and it affected his early years in school
This was because he had to have special classes.

Now he is excellent at reading, but the main issue was the language problems
In short he couldn’t express what he wanted to say.

He couldn’t get the words out and there is nothing sadder seeing your kid standing there trying to talk but nothing coming out then he gets frustrated/angry etc

Also when we came over we had two sitting rooms, and wife and I had one and gave the kids the other thinking it would be great for them to have their own space.
This backfired dramatically as my son never interacted with us and just played games etc
Now we didn’t see this happening as we just thought they were enjoying their freedom so I think we have to share a lot of blame on how he is now
Also as already mentioned here, hard love would not work.
Don’t get me wrong, he is very lazy, and I have tried making him do things, but this is counterproductive as he ends up resenting you. (he did this last night when I suggested a PLC)

He is such a good boy/man, that this never lasts long and he always apologises for his behaviour but it makes it difficult for us as to how much we can push him

He does not like any manual work, and not into any sports, his only hobby is gaming.
There was a job posted for Rye River in Celbridge so he has gone for that but like so many jobs I think they want someone with experience

He was offered a sales job, but in talking to people they say they just shove you in a street and you go round door to door trying to get sales
So I said no to that, as he suffers already with confidence so how hard would it be for him when people shut the door in your face.

He did do work experience in local garage and the manager told me he did try and get him involved but he was too shy and all he did those winter months was sweep the floor not interacting with any of the staff

Also on another note.
We live in the country so he has no real friends. He is friends with a couple of like minded kids but they never invite him out and when he asked them to do something for his birthday yesterday they said they were not around.
As you can tell from all of above my heart bleeds for him.
Because of our financial situation we have not been able to take a holiday for about 8 years, so even when he was at school, he spent summer just in the house.

So no wonder the poor ****er has no confidence.

Anyway I will try intel/HP etc

Once again thanks all, I know a few of you can empathise with our situation

noble00

Try not to worry too much he will find his way , he is still only twenty best of luck

kevin67

the_syco wrote: »

This. To get here during the day, you take the 66 to the catolic church in Leixlip, and walk up the road, but if you go in the morning, you get off at Louisa Bridge, and get a shuttle bus to HP.

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If he'd like to learn a skill, Ballyfermot PLC is probably your best bet; http://www.bcfe.ie

You take the 66 to Chapelizard, and then the 76 to outside the PLC.

just checked HP and Intel (actually did this a while back as well) and you need decent qualifications to get a job there

The Mulk

http://www.ballyfermottrainingcentre.ie/course/career-planning-and-employable-skills-2/

I ran some courses a few years back and interacted with people on a similar course to this course.
It is aimed at people who have never been in the workforce before. It teaches generic skills such as team working, timekeeping and also more focused skills like word processing etc.
The instructors are excellent and used to people with little or no skills.
If the applicant is in receipt of job seekers, generally the course fee is covered.
It can be a good place to start and the duration isn't too long to seem daunting.
Once your soon is in the Training Center environment he may see something that he might have an interest in.
Best wishes to you and him

one armed dwarf

noble00 wrote: »

Try not to worry too much he will find his way , he is still only twenty best of luck

Tbh it sounds like he needs some pushing/counselling. (moreso the latter)

The isolation/social avoidance is something I can relate to and not something which will go away on its own unfortunately. The longer you wait the more risk-averse you can become.