Streetlight Charging

R.O.R

This just popped up on my LinkedIn feed

https://www.fastcompany.com/40441853/not-everyone-has-a-garage-but-what-if-the-streetlights-were-electric-car-charging-stations?utm_content=buffer1994d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkedin.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Thought it's a great idea, and something we'll hopefully see coming to Irish Roads soon. Infrastructure is already there, and it seems to be a simple enough retro-fit.

BoatMad

R.O.R wrote: »

This just popped up on my LinkedIn feed

https://www.fastcompany.com/40441853/not-everyone-has-a-garage-but-what-if-the-streetlights-were-electric-car-charging-stations?utm_content=buffer1994d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkedin.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Thought it's a great idea, and something we'll hopefully see coming to Irish Roads soon. Infrastructure is already there, and it seems to be a simple enough retro-fit.

AC charging is not the way forward in public spaces

its not scalable and is limited in power

R.O.R

BoatMad wrote: »

AC charging is not the way forward in public spaces

its not scalable and is limited in power

Doesn't need to be scalable as there's already thousands of untapped charge points in every urban area of the country.

Doesn't matter if it's slow as it's main aim is overnight charging for people who don't have anywhere to fit a charge point. How many people are put off EV's by not having anywhere to charge as they don't have a driveway? How many of those have a lampost near where they park?

BoatMad

R.O.R wrote: »

Doesn't need to be scalable as there's already thousands of untapped charge points in every urban area of the country.

Doesn't matter if it's slow as it's main aim is overnight charging for people who don't have anywhere to fit a charge point. How many people are put off EV's by not having anywhere to charge as they don't have a driveway? How many of those have a lampost near where they park?

in ireland . certainly in newer areas, most streetlight posts are positioned at the inside of the footpath and this is the case in most new developments as well

secondly the amount of available energy is extremely limited in many cases, even where LED lamps are substituted. This means that a widespread installation is not possible

thirdly it means dedicating street parking at lampposts to EVs, DCC for example will NOT support dedicated EV charging on streetsides, where residents themselves already have insufficient street side parking

In Ireland , electricity for public lighting is supplied direct at extremely low rates to local authorities. Its a complex process to then account for that and substitute EV pricing regimes

Street side charging simply isnt tenable , it simply cant scale

its also unnecessarily

why

1. European urban planning is to actively remove cars from urban areas , with disincentives to car usage ( EV or not )
2. modern apartment living is not providing 1:1 adult residences to car parking spaces
3. EVs cannot expect to have large numbers of on street parking spaces exclusively received for them
3. longer range EVs mean that city users can charge as required at fast charger "parks" , with some of these located in city areas ( an issue the LEV taskforce is looking to address )
4. future battery capacities will mean low power AC charge has little utility

niallb

This was discussed in more depth last month here:
Street light charging
Plenty of diversions and dubious maths, but points out some good use that could be made of this kind of technology to improve adoption.

bk

BoatMad wrote: »

in ireland . certainly in newer areas, most streetlight posts are positioned at the inside of the footpath and this is the case in most new developments as well

You said this before and I corrected you on this before! It is more like 50/50.

Since you last said this I've been keeping an eye out and I'd say it is more like 70/30 in favour of the outside of the footpath. And this includes new developments

Please stop repeating the same falsehoods!

reboot

BoatMad wrote: »

R.O.R wrote: »

Doesn't need to be scalable as there's already thousands of untapped charge points in every urban area of the country.

Doesn't matter if it's slow as it's main aim is overnight charging for people who don't have anywhere to fit a charge point. How many people are put off EV's by not having anywhere to charge as they don't have a driveway? How many of those have a lampost near where they park?

in ireland . certainly in newer areas, most streetlight posts are positioned at the inside of the footpath and this is the case in most new developments as well

secondly the amount of available energy is extremely limited in many cases, even where LED lamps are substituted. This means that a widespread installation is not possible

thirdly it means dedicating street parking at lampposts to EVs, DCC for example will NOT support dedicated EV charging on streetsides, where residents themselves already have insufficient street side parking

In Ireland , electricity for public lighting is supplied direct at extremely low rates to local authorities. Its a complex process to then account for that and substitute EV pricing regimes

Street side charging simply isnt tenable , it simply cant scale

its also unnecessarily

why

1. European urban planning is to actively remove cars from urban areas , with disincentives to car usage ( EV or not )
2. modern apartment living is not providing 1:1 adult residences to car parking spaces
3. EVs cannot expect to have large numbers of on street parking spaces exclusively received for them
3. longer range EVs mean that city users can charge as required at fast charger "parks" , with some of these located in city areas ( an issue the LEV taskforce is looking to address )
4. future battery capacities will mean low power AC charge has little utility

Agree with,1,2 and 3, not so 4, thanks

reboot

niallb wrote: »

This was discussed in more depth last month here:
Street light charging
Plenty of diversions and dubious maths, but points out some good use that could be made of this kind of technology to improve adoption.

Also discussed, way back was the BMW scheme in Europe.