Spanish student raped after being dragged into a tent in Dublin

MysticMonk

Full story here.

Seems there have been a number of "homeless" camped out on this beach (and other places) but were previously regarded as harmless enough.

He was questioned before being released without charge last night. A file is being prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions.

The suspect is well known to gardaí. Originally from the northside of Dublin, he had previous convictions for violent offences and is before the courts on other unrelated charges. He is currently on bail.

Gardaí also made contact with the woman's family in Spain and they have arrived in Dublin to be with her.

A disgusting attack and beyond depraved in it's execution..the bloke is back out on bail and probably looking for somewhere else to pitch camp.

GLaDOS

Read about that earlier. What a horrible ordeal for the poor girl. I can only hope she can recover from it.

Gravelly

Bail in Ireland is a joke (along with suspended sentences). Eventually we will stop pandering to repeat offenders, but how many lives will be ruined or ended before it happens?

Sven Hassel

This is why I support the death penalty.

Winterlong

I would happily handover more tax money if it went towards a huge megaprison and these people who make the lives of others a misery with their multiple convictions get long long sentences.
Make justice real again.

And none of this concurrent crap.

The_Kew_Tour

That's awful. Whoever did it I hope gets life.(wishful thinking I know)

The_Kew_Tour

Winterlong wrote: »

I would happily handover more tax money if it went towards a huge megaprison and these people who make the lives of others a misery with their multiple convictions get long long sentences.
Make justice real again.

And none of this concurrent crap.

Yep so would I.

Stheno

Poor girl that's awful

The_Valeyard

That guy should have his balls chopped off. Horrendous disgusting thing to do to anyone.

Sven Hassel

When the **** are we going to get tough on scum in this country?

tomwaterford

How the fcuk did he get bail if he's living in a tent??


It's a pure joke....I taught you needed proof of residence for bail so as to prove your not a flight risk??

dizzyn

I'm one to get riled up,but a quote in the article has really annoyed me;

“This incident shows women need to be vigilant when socialising in town as this looks like a pre-planned attack."

This is appalling. Being a similar age to this girl,I cannot even imagine how horrible the whole ordeal must be for her. I really hope she finds the help and support she needs.

ebbsy

Sven Hassel wrote: »

This is why I support the death penalty.

Hang the ****er

Spanish Eyes

Horrible.

I cannot understand how bail conditions will be imposed. Would he have a passport to surrender, and if he doesn't sign on in the Garda Station, how will they find him if he ups sticks with his mobile home (tent).

Remember that creep in Galway and the Swiss girl? I sure hope it never happens again.

The_Kew_Tour

tomwaterford wrote: »

How the fcuk did he get bail if he's living in a tent??


It's a pure joke....I taught you needed proof of residence for bail so as to prove your not a flight risk??

Ya its crazy. It really is so frustrating. He could do it again.

The_Kew_Tour

dizzyn wrote: »

I'm one to get riled up,but a quote in the article has really annoyed me;



This is appalling. Being a similar age to this girl,I cannot even imagine how horrible the whole ordeal must be for her. I really hope she finds the help and support she needs.

The sad thing is that their is people out there who will agree with that comment.

yes people need to be little smart, but jesus gives nobody any right to touch anybody, and worse of course.

millie35

The chief suspect for the brutal attack is well known to gardai and has previous convictions for violence.

And he's let out on bail? Absolute madness

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Awful story, and equally awful idea to let this degenerate back out on the streets. Why is it not compulsory for suspects of violent crime to be held without bail?

Sven Hassel wrote: »

This is why I support the death penalty.

The death penalty is not a good idea, I once believed it to be the answer too, but it's not.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

That guy should have his balls chopped off. Horrendous disgusting thing to do to anyone.

That's a slippery slope, similar to the death penalty, it's not the answer.

Ireland needs far stricter crimes and judges that have the courage to uphold them. I wouldn't be surprised if he got 5 or 6 years with 3 suspended, because the poor fellow had a tough upbringing. Tough shít, if he's guilty, lock him up for the rest of his life.

Ireland is very soft on crime.

Sofiztikated

Before I get whipped up into a frenzy, I've a question.

Why would a person be released without charge, if there was evidence enough that he did it?

Are Am Eye

This man wasn't charged. Hence bail doesn't arise.

Rikand

And yet if you don't pay your TV licence, they lock you up and throw away the key

Sven Hassel

Rikand wrote: »

And yet if you don't pay your TV licence, they lock you up and throw away the key

That's because you harmed the state. And if you harm the state you'l be made pay.

Same all over Europe. The Afghans who gang raped a Swedish woman and broadcast it on Facebook got 1-2 years while the Swede running a streaming service was given 5 years.

ED E

The Sun + he wasn't charged = Are we getting the truth or the truth on steroids?

Are Am Eye

What's the confusion about this.
A man who may or may not be guilty of this attack was arrested and questioned.
As always if there is insufficient evidence to charge him then he will be released.

More evidence may follow,such as forensic results. The DPP may examine the whole file. Down the road this man may be charged.

Sofiztikated

Are Am Eye wrote: »

What's the confusion about this.
A man who may or may not be guilty of this attack was arrested and questioned.
As always if there is insufficient evidence to charge him then he will be released.

More evidence may follow,such as forensic results. The DPP may examine the whole file. Down the road this man may be charged.

The confusion was all the people bleeting on about bail.

Patrick Prickly Conga

Patrick Prickly Conga wrote: »

Why is it not compulsory for suspects of violent crime to be held without bail?

Internment?

Because it would be almost certainly illegal in pretty much every EU country.

It was tried in NI, tried in Guantanemo, it's not a good idea.

Patrick Prickly Conga wrote: »

Ireland needs far stricter crimes and judges that have the courage to uphold them. I wouldn't be surprised if he got 5 or 6 years with 3 suspended, because the poor fellow had a tough upbringing. Tough shít, if he's guilty, lock him up for the rest of his life.

Highly unlikely he'd get far less than the average sentence.

Gravelly

Deleted User wrote: »

Internment?

Because it would be almost certainly illegal in pretty much every EU country.

It was tried in NI, tried in Guantanemo, it's not a good idea.

Suspects of violent crime are frequently held without bail, if the police believe they may abscond, interfere with witnesses etc.

Internment is a different thing altogether.

selephonic

Sofiztikated wrote: »

The confusion was all the people bleeting on about bail.

Seems the suspect is out on bail on other charges. Surely this would be enough to violate the bail conditions.

Are Am Eye

selephonic wrote: »

Seems the suspect is out on bail on other charges. Surely this would be enough to violate the bail conditions.

But since he hasnt been convicted or even charged with this rape then he is innocent in the eyes of the law. So on what grounds would his other bail be revoked.

People should remember what a corrupt police force we have. Its highest officers were openly lying on televised oireachtas commitees over recent months. Invented statistics.

So don't gove either them or the sun newspaper your unqualified trust in these matters

ThisRegard

Rikand wrote: »

And yet if you don't pay your TV licence, they lock you up and throw away the key

They don't.

dd972

I feel sorry when this sort of thing befalls young continental Europeans who come over here, I think a definate factor is being naively seduced by a cuddly, friendly Leprechaun image of the place, imagining Dublin as Ballykissangel when in reality it's an extension of Liverpool and Manchester, with more in common with those cities than it's hinterland.

TallGlass

It about time we address the issue of building a super prison. Judges can't be self remedying the situation with suspended sentences, low sentences and thinking lads with convictions using more paper to print out than my CV, will reform. 3 strikes, not 40/50/240, and reform sentencing so we have more 15/20 year stretches with this suspended carry on.

It's either that or eventually people will take the law into there own hands, and we don't want that either.

Sofiztikated

TallGlass wrote: »

It about time we address the issue of building a super prison. Judges can't be self remedying the situation with suspended sentences, low sentences and thinking lads with convictions using more paper to print out than my CV, will reform. 3 strikes, not 40/50/240, and reform sentencing so we have more 15/20 year stretches with this suspended carry on.

It's either that or eventually people will take the law into there own hands, and we don't want that either.

To be fair, the US has that, and their recidivism rate is still above ours.

So that doesn't seem to work either.

Gravelly

Gravelly wrote: »

Suspects of violent crime are frequently held without bail, if the police believe they may abscond, interfere with witnesses etc.

And if there's room in the prison system to do so, which I suspect may be a more significant factor than any of us wants to believe.

Vojera

Irish Times link for those of us who don't want to contribute to The Sun's ad revenue.

From that, he wasn't released on bail. He was detained for 24 hours for questioning and then released while the DPP decides whether to pursue a case. Yes, he's still free, but it's not the same as him being granted bail.

Of course, if the DPP does decide to press charges, how are they going to find him? And if he is again released on bail (bearing in mind that he is currently on bail), that truly would destroy any faith I have in our justice system.

Vojera

Vojera wrote: »

Irish Times link for those of us who don't want to contribute to The Sun's ad revenue.

From that, he wasn't released on bail. He was detained for 24 hours for questioning and then released while the DPP decides whether to pursue a case. Yes, he's still free, but it's not the same as him being granted bail.

Of course, if the DPP does decide to press charges, how are they going to find him? And if he is again released on bail (bearing in mind that he is currently on bail), that truly would destroy any faith I have in our justice system.

It's all well and good to say that holding this guy until charges can be developed is a slippery slope.

But here's the thing. This guy is out on bail pending trial for several violent crimes. And he raped someone. And he's out again.

Who takes responsibility for what he does while he's free, when he should obviously be chained to a wall in a hole somewhere?

How can anybody point to EU law, and say 'but Guantanemo!' and think they have answered the real and substantive question here- the question of the public right to be safe from harm and assault from a minority of absolute irredeemable miscreants in society.

Who do these people think they are protecting? It's nonsense to claim that tougher laws on arrest, sentencing and release would impact anyone in society who stays between the lines of decency.

LuckyLloyd

Sven Hassel wrote: »

This is why I support the death penalty.

The_Valeyard wrote: »

That guy should have his balls chopped off. Horrendous disgusting thing to do to anyone.

Sven Hassel wrote: »

When the **** are we going to get tough on scum in this country?

ebbsy wrote: »

Hang the ****er

Rikand wrote: »

And yet if you don't pay your TV licence, they lock you up and throw away the key

The takes in this thread are scalding hot.

Gravelly

Deleted User wrote: »

It's all well and good to say that holding this guy until charges can be developed is a slippery slope.

But here's the thing. This guy is out on bail pending trial for several violent crimes. And he raped someone. And he's out again.

Who takes responsibility for what he does while he's free, when he should obviously be chained to a wall in a hole somewhere?

How can anybody point to EU law, and say 'but Guantanemo!' and think they have answered the real and substantive question here- the question of the public right to be safe from harm and assault from a minority of absolute irredeemable miscreants in society.

Who do these people think they are protecting? It's nonsense to claim that tougher laws on arrest, sentencing and release would impact anyone in society who stays between the lines of decency.

It's funny that the slippery slope only ever seems to run one way - we'll turn into Nazi Germany within days if some lad with 90 previous convictions is denied bail for his latest trial, far better to let him out to rape and rob, that'll keep us safe!

Are Am Eye

Gravelly wrote: »

It's funny that the slippery slope only ever seems to run one way - we'll turn into Nazi Germany within days if some lad with 90 previous convictions is denied bail for his latest trial, far better to let him out to rape and rob, that'll keep us safe!

How do you know this guy raped the girl?

Gravelly

Are Am Eye wrote: »

How do you know this guy raped the girl?

Strange post. Can you show me where I said he did?

Der Stier

This guy should be just taken into a field somewhere and shot and buried.
it would be a great favour to society.

But no, do gooders and liberal twats would never allow it.

NewbridgeIR

Der Stier wrote: »

But no, do gooders and liberal twats would never allow it.

And they're strangely quiet when it comes to violent crimes committed by individuals with previous convictions.

Seems it's only white collar crime (perpetrated by evil suit-wearing capitalists) that gets them riled up and outraged.

InTheTrees

Gravelly wrote: »

Suspects of violent crime are frequently held without bail, if the police believe they may abscond, interfere with witnesses etc.

They are??

You have to be charged with something surely? Suspects can only be held for limited time cant they? or in cases of terrorism it can be extended right? But then they have to be charged I believe.

InTheTrees

Vojera wrote: »

Of course, if the DPP does decide to press charges, how are they going to find him? And if he is again released on bail (bearing in mind that he is currently on bail), that truly would destroy any faith I have in our justice system.

It does make you wonder what the conditions of the bail actually are.

Does it have to take an actual conviction for another offense to be a violation?

Are Am Eye

Gravelly wrote: »

Strange post. Can you show me where I said he did?

You wanted him held in custody. Is that bevause he's innocent?

Nabber

Released with no fixed abode, how does that work.

Should be sentenced to the incinerator. Let his body provide a few watts of power.

The justice system is not something that repeat offenders fear.

Hard labour for them along with prison sentence

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Deleted User wrote: »

Internment?

Because it would be almost certainly illegal in pretty much every EU country.

It was tried in NI, tried in Guantanemo, it's not a good idea.



Highly unlikely he'd get far less than the average sentence.

Not internment, but the chap in the OP is known to Gardai and has a history of violence. Why is he free to roam?

Gravelly

Are Am Eye wrote: »

You wanted him held in custody. Is that bevause he's innocent?

Again, can you show me a post where I said that? Are you sure you are responding to the correct poster?

castletownman

We all know how the court case will go.

Suspect has had a troubled life, and despite having a list of previous convictions, is remorseful for his actions and has co-operated with relative authorities in his wake. If he is a drug addict, something like "no longer using" will be peddled out for extra sympathy points.

Judge as per usual takes a lenient stance. Them poor crims are humans too y'know.

Four year sentence with the final 18 months/two years suspended.

Meanwhile, victim will be traumatised for life.

Great little country.

Gravelly

castletownman wrote: »

We all know how the court case will go.

Suspect has had a troubled life, and despite having a list of previous convictions, is remorseful for his actions and has co-operated with relative authorities in his wake. If he is a drug addict, something like "no longer using" will be peddled out for extra sympathy points.

Judge as per usual takes a lenient stance. Them poor crims are humans too y'know.

Four year sentence with the final 18 months/two years suspended.

Meanwhile, victim will be traumatised for life.

Great little country.

He's probably what his (free legal aid) lawyer would refer to as "a good little earner".

Foxhound38

He should get his mickey chopped off and then be sent to Spain for incarceration - see who's dragging who around then. Lowlife scumbag