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weird genuine fears anyone?

  • 19-07-2017 10:27am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭


    So I really hate to tell people especially in ireland but I have a genuine feel ill sweaty have nightmares about it fear of ..
    people who are no longer alive
    can't even bring myself to say the proper word. Please someone tell me I'm not alone. I have managed to hide it mostly


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I have a genuine feel ill sweaty have nightmares about it fear of ..
    I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Skodafan


    So I really hate to tell people especially in ireland but I have a genuine feel ill sweaty have nightmares about it fear of ..
    people who are no longer alive
    can't even bring myself to say the proper word. Please someone tell me I'm not alone. I have managed to hide it mostly


    My wife is absolutely terrified of birds. I mean entirely irrational fear of them. We walked down times square and she jumped in front of a cab to get away from a pidgeon that had landed 2 feet in front of her.

    Shopping trips in a city usually involved her getting our 6 year old to walk 3 feet in front of us doing "his job" scaring away the birds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭valoren


    Heights. But the fear is not plain old acrophobia.
    My fear stems from the notion that were I to have a moment of madness I could be dead within seconds.

    The convenience of being at a height, knowing that a fall would be fatal and the thought of just thinking 'fcuk it' and suddenly jumping scares the **** out of me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭mayobumblebee


    biko wrote: »
    I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me.

    In fairness it's probably a terrible sentence thanks ðŸ˜႒


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭mayobumblebee


    I have a fear I don't understand the meaning of this thread?

    Very spicific fear there only just materialised I imagine or is it recurring in other threads


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl


    I have a genuine feel ill sweaty have nightmares about it fear of ..
    biko wrote: »
    I'm sorry but this doesn't make sense to me.
    In fairness it's probably a terrible sentence thanks 76;˜႒

    I guess it will work if you hyphenate.

    "I have a genuine feel-ill-sweaty-have-nightmares-about-it fear of...!"

    But what about those who have hyphenophobia? (wonder if that's a thing).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭angryIreGamer


    whats weird about being afeared of zombies and vampires?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    valoren wrote:
    The convenience of being at a height, knowing that a fall would be fatal and the thought of just thinking 'fcuk it' and suddenly jumping scares the **** out of me.


    That happens me too. I don't have a fear of heights as such. More so that I get up to a height and have irrational thoughts of what would happen if I did jump, and I don't trust myself not to do it. It's nothing to do with being suicidal and is a recognised thing.

    I have a fear of failure and of making a mistake. It can be crippling at times, and nonexistent at other times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,501 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    I genuinely fear that the general population is getting so stupid that common sense will cease to exist in a few generations.

    The likes of facebook or any social media have exposed how utterly gullible and stupid some people are. I dont know whether social media is causing it or just revealing it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl


    sup_dude wrote: »
    I have a fear of failure and of making a mistake. It can be crippling at times, and nonexistent at other times.

    Atychiphobia.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    me_irl wrote:
    .


    Absolutely. It comes from a huge variety of things, but mainly due to growing up with a narcissistic friend who would pray on any sign of weakness. Still does, I just recognise it now. Damage is already done though. Self esteem issues stemming from bullying in secondary school doesn't help. The worst part is, you think you're over it and it didn't even effect me for a few years but came back out of the blue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 623 ✭✭✭smeal


    Mine is frogs. I genuinely won't walk through high grass or go near ponds for fear of them. I literally freeze in my spot if I see one hopping in the grass or would nearly veer the car off the road if one hopped across in front of me while driving.

    The other one is....jarred beetroot. It completely freaks me out. I will shudder if I see it on somebody's salad or in a jar in a shop. I can't even remember if I ever tasted the stuff but the texture and the colour gives me the heeby jeebies!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭mayobumblebee


    whats weird about being afeared of zombies and vampires?

    That's the thing I have no fear of zombies or vampires. I also have no fear of the fact of life that everyone dies at some stage. But the actual person just there in front of you but no longer a person that is terrifying. It doesn't matter if it's someone I know or not I also get it with animals sometimes. It's very hard to explain as it's quite strange and I've yet to meet someone else with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Don't think I have any myself (I've an extreme dislike of cheese, but it's not a fear per se, I mean i'll buy it for my kids - so long as I don't have to physically touch it!)
    But I know 2 people who are deathly terrified of eggs!
    Plus my own mother literally collapses in a quivering heap if you put your hands on her neck (like you're going to choke her) - this was an endless source of amusement for myself and my brother growing up - still is in fact, but she's heading for 70 now, so "out of respect" we can only do it if she's sitting down first:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    valoren wrote: »
    Heights. But the fear is not plain old acrophobia.
    My fear stems from the notion that were I to have a moment of madness I could be dead within seconds.

    The convenience of being at a height, knowing that a fall would be fatal and the thought of just thinking 'fcuk it' and suddenly jumping scares the **** out of me.

    I get that too. An inexplicable compulsion. It's like the only way to conquer the fear is to jump.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,807 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    valoren wrote: »
    Heights. But the fear is not plain old acrophobia.
    My fear stems from the notion that were I to have a moment of madness I could be dead within seconds.

    The convenience of being at a height, knowing that a fall would be fatal and the thought of just thinking 'fcuk it' and suddenly jumping scares the **** out of me.
    I don't actually have a fear of heights but I sometimes get the urge to hurl myself over the rail on an upstairs floor of a shopping centre or from some other similar height. I nearly did it from a cliff on the Arann Islands before. And there's nothing suicidal in the urge.

    The first symptom of this was when I was in college, and after getting off my bus from Kildare, I'd have an irrational urge to throw my bag over O'Connell Bridge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭GhostMutt30


    valoren wrote: »
    Heights. But the fear is not plain old acrophobia.
    My fear stems from the notion that were I to have a moment of madness I could be dead within seconds.

    The convenience of being at a height, knowing that a fall would be fatal and the thought of just thinking 'fcuk it' and suddenly jumping scares the **** out of me.


    This. A very strong urge to just step off and see what it's like or something. Also to throw whatever is in my hand like a bag or phone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Terrified of heights. But my all time worst fear is choking to death on a tablet or a piece of food. So much so that I'm unable to take tablets, I just gag when I take them and I'd hate to feel them stuck in my throat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,501 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    anna080 wrote: »
    Terrified of heights. But my all time worst fear is choking to death on a tablet or a piece of food. So much so that I'm unable to take tablets, I just gag when I take them and I'd hate to feel them stuck in my throat.

    How do you eat food then?
    There is literly zero chance of choking on a tablet even if it got stuck in your throat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    How do you eat food then?
    There is literly zero chance of choking on a tablet even if it got stuck in your throat.

    It's an irrational fear I know. Food is different because we chew it (although realistically i know that doesn't really matter as you can still choke) but tablets we swallow hole especially those big mother fcukers. It's the sensation of it going down my throat and getting stuck there, the scrapey feeling. My body just won't let me swallow them I literally gag them right up. It's all psychological.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Birds of the avian variety

    One of the b@stards flew down the chimney and i had to sit in the kitchen until my wife came home to remove it:o

    I would be less afraid if a lion strolled into the house


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭Gunslinger92


    I used to know a lad with a proper genuine fear of hedgehogs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,964 ✭✭✭gifted


    Rats....hate the feckers....scream like a woman if I see one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    valoren wrote: »
    Heights. But the fear is not plain old acrophobia.
    My fear stems from the notion that were I to have a moment of madness I could be dead within seconds.

    The convenience of being at a height, knowing that a fall would be fatal and the thought of just thinking 'fcuk it' and suddenly jumping scares the **** out of me.
    sup_dude wrote: »
    That happens me too. I don't have a fear of heights as such. More so that I get up to a height and have irrational thoughts of what would happen if I did jump, and I don't trust myself not to do it. It's nothing to do with being suicidal and is a recognised thing.

    I have a fear of failure and of making a mistake. It can be crippling at times, and nonexistent at other times.
    gramar wrote: »
    I get that too. An inexplicable compulsion. It's like the only way to conquer the fear is to jump.
    I don't actually have a fear of heights but I sometimes get the urge to hurl myself over the rail on an upstairs floor of a shopping centre or from some other similar height. I nearly did it from a cliff on the Arann Islands before. And there's nothing suicidal in the urge.

    The first symptom of this was when I was in college, and after getting off my bus from Kildare, I'd have an irrational urge to throw my bag over O'Connell Bridge.
    This. A very strong urge to just step off and see what it's like or something. Also to throw whatever is in my hand like a bag or phone

    I attend a group for this. We're called skydivers.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gifted wrote: »
    Rats....hate the feckers....scream like a woman if I see one.

    That's not weird at all, perfectly reasonable if you ask me. Mice and spiders too.

    I can't touch cotton wool without cringing, and I break out in the trembly cold sweats if I see a clown. Not that weird either I suppose.

    A friend of mine freaks out if he sees a feather (without a bird attached to it), and a relative nearly throws up if he touches velvet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    anna080 wrote: »
    It's an irrational fear I know. Food is different because we chew it (although realistically i know that doesn't really matter as you can still choke) but tablets we swallow hole especially those big mother fcukers. It's the sensation of it going down my throat and getting stuck there, the scrapey feeling. My body just won't let me swallow them I literally gag them right up. It's all psychological.

    You should see one the supplements I take. They're so big that most times they do get stuck and I need a pint of water to make them go down. Horrible feeling.

    Not sure I have any totally irrational fears - fear of heights is pretty normal and utter terror of spiders is quite common, even if totally irrational....

    My friend has a classic irrational fear.... of rice. He literally says "It's so small I feel like I will choke on it".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Spiders.
    But funnily enough, only when I'm inside a house. If I see one outdoors, I'm actually rather curious and have no problem observing it, even relatively closely. Not sure I'd touch it, though.

    Indoors, though.... bad. Very bad.
    I had an "episode" about 2 years ago. It was quite late at night, I had gone to bed and was reading, the hubby was still downstairs watching telly. I felt something brush against my shoulder and reached up to push it away, thinking it was a strand of hair. My hand made contact with something chitinous and hard instead. I turned my head and saw this huge spider scuttle under my pillow. Well, when I say huge, it was maybe half the size of my hand. No monster, but very large for any spider in these latitudes.

    I was out of bed like a shot and downstairs to get help (the husband) - I got such a fright, I was physically shivering. He agreed to go upstairs and dispose of it.
    I came up with him, but was waiting round the corner from the bedroom, I couldn't bring myself to set foot inside. He rummaged around a bit, then I heard him say "Wow, that is a huge f*cker". Then more rummaging, and more, and more... after a few minutes I asked what was happening. He said he had had him in a piece of toilet paper and was about to carry him to the loo and flush him away, but then he dropped him. And now he couldn't find him again.
    I think that's when I dissolved into utter hysterics. There was NO WAY I would sleep in that room as long as that thing was around. I wasn't even sure I'd be sleeping in the house. There was nothing for it, I had to come inside and help looking.
    He was a sly bastard, too. We suspected he was under the bed (thankfully there's not all that much clutter in our bedroom, so nowhere else much for him to hide), but as we moved it, he must have moved with it underneath a few times. It took us until 3am when in a last effort attempt we pushed the entire bed up on its side that we found him again and introduced him to our excellent plumbing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Spiders.
    But funnily enough, only when I'm inside a house. If I see one outdoors, I'm actually rather curious and have no problem observing it, even relatively closely. Not sure I'd touch it, though.

    Indoors, though.... bad. Very bad.
    I had an "episode" about 2 years ago. It was quite late at night, I had gone to bed and was reading, the hubby was still downstairs watching telly. I felt something brush against my shoulder and reached up to push it away, thinking it was a strand of hair. My hand made contact with something chitinous and hard instead. I turned my head and saw this huge spider scuttle under my pillow. Well, when I say huge, it was maybe half the size of my hand. No monster, but very large for any spider in these latitudes.

    I was out of bed like a shot and downstairs to get help (the husband) - I got such a fright, I was physically shivering. He agreed to go upstairs and dispose of it.
    I came up with him, but was waiting round the corner from the bedroom, I couldn't bring myself to set foot inside. He rummage around a bit, then I heard him say "Wow, that is a huge f*cker". Then more rummaging, and more, and more... after a few minutes I asked what was happening. He said he had had him in a piece of toilet paper and was about to carry him to the loo and flush him away, but then he dropped him. And now he couldn't find him again.
    I think that's when I dissolved into utter hysterics. There was NO WAY I would sleep in that room as long as that thing was around. I wasn't even sure I'd be sleeping in the house. There was nothing for it, I had to come inside and help looking.
    He was a sly bastard, too. We suspected he was under the bed (thankfully there's not all that much clutter in our bedroom, so nowhere else much for him to hide), but as we moved it, he must have moved with it underneath a few times. It took us until 3am when in a last effort attempt we pushed the entire bed up on its side that we found him again and introduced him to our excellent plumbing.

    That husband of yours is a keeper. If that was me you'd be sleeping on the couch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,383 ✭✭✭Miss Demeanour


    Crumbs send shivers through me....cannot sit and eat if there are crumbs around. Have a genuine anxiety running through me til I wipe them up. Often think I have gotten them all but mid bite Ill see a sneaky b***ard somewhere and shudder. I don't know if its weird or not though *shifty eyes*.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    I don't normally have a fear of heights but when I'm falling asleep I do get vertigo, it's not so much just a fear of heights, in the dreams I can't stop myself from going over the edge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,203 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I was glad to find out this was a thing. Can make me quite nauseous.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-trypophobia-definition-causes-images


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Fear of moths, unpredictable flight course, hairy ugly feckers. Butterflies are grand, moths are the devil.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Spiders.
    But funnily enough, only when I'm inside a house. If I see one outdoors, I'm actually rather curious and have no problem observing it, even relatively closely. Not sure I'd touch it, though.

    Indoors, though.... bad. Very bad.
    I had an "episode" about 2 years ago. It was quite late at night, I had gone to bed and was reading, the hubby was still downstairs watching telly. I felt something brush against my shoulder and reached up to push it away, thinking it was a strand of hair. My hand made contact with something chitinous and hard instead. I turned my head and saw this huge spider scuttle under my pillow. Well, when I say huge, it was maybe half the size of my hand. No monster, but very large for any spider in these latitudes.

    I was out of bed like a shot and downstairs to get help (the husband) - I got such a fright, I was physically shivering. He agreed to go upstairs and dispose of it.
    I came up with him, but was waiting round the corner from the bedroom, I couldn't bring myself to set foot inside. He rummaged around a bit, then I heard him say "Wow, that is a huge f*cker". Then more rummaging, and more, and more... after a few minutes I asked what was happening. He said he had had him in a piece of toilet paper and was about to carry him to the loo and flush him away, but then he dropped him. And now he couldn't find him again.
    I think that's when I dissolved into utter hysterics. There was NO WAY I would sleep in that room as long as that thing was around. I wasn't even sure I'd be sleeping in the house. There was nothing for it, I had to come inside and help looking.
    He was a sly bastard, too. We suspected he was under the bed (thankfully there's not all that much clutter in our bedroom, so nowhere else much for him to hide), but as we moved it, he must have moved with it underneath a few times. It took us until 3am when in a last effort attempt we pushed the entire bed up on its side that we found him again and introduced him to our excellent plumbing.

    I'd be a gibbering basket case. :(

    I woke up in the middle of the night for a pee about six years ago, and put my feet on the floor. The feeling of squash/splat turned my stomach, I'd stood on a gigantic, steroid-taking-monster-spider, and he was all over the sole of my foot.

    *projectile vom*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Not really much of a fear but I hate walking around in my bare feet. Dono how anyone does it. Even getting out from the shower I have to have flip flops there ready. Hate the sensation of my feet on the floor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    valoren wrote: »
    Heights. But the fear is not plain old acrophobia.
    My fear stems from the notion that were I to have a moment of madness I could be dead within seconds.

    The convenience of being at a height, knowing that a fall would be fatal and the thought of just thinking 'fcuk it' and suddenly jumping scares the **** out of me.

    I've had that happen once or twice, a weird tangling of your own mind where you start out with a minor fear, then you think 'what if I' then you observe your own mind thinking 'what if' then you get more afraid which makes you think 'what if' even more, and by then theres a tiny part of your mind thats completely freaking out at your own madness and panicking because you're panicking.

    Jim Jefferies is genuine afraid of bananas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVmZ1EfJs7U


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭jo2509


    I have a totally irrational fear of aliens/UFOs.

    Not that it makes it any less bonkers, but not 'monster-y' type aliens like Predator but E.T type aliens. In fact i hate that movie.
    I hate Close Encounters even more... that bit at the end when all the little aliens come out of the spaceship is the stuff of my actual nightmares.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭greencap


    That's the thing I have no fear of zombies or vampires. I also have no fear of the fact of life that everyone dies at some stage. But the actual person just there in front of you but no longer a person that is terrifying. It doesn't matter if it's someone I know or not I also get it with animals sometimes. It's very hard to explain as it's quite strange and I've yet to meet someone else with it.

    The G word ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Snugglebunnies


    sup_dude wrote:
    That happens me too. I don't have a fear of heights as such. More so that I get up to a height and have irrational thoughts of what would happen if I did jump, and I don't trust myself not to do it. It's nothing to do with being suicidal and is a recognised thing.


    "The call of the void"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    The moon is going to crash into the earth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Syphonax wrote: »
    The moon is going to crash into the earth
    It's moving away from earth by about an inch every year, it's very slowly leaving our orbit. In just a few short billion years we'll have no moon to look at and brighten up those dark nights.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭deadybai


    I have a fear of (don't want to mention it) nail varnish.

    My sister's used to tramatise me when I was younger with it .

    I nearly puke when I see it and avoid even talking to the person and basically get out of the situation as quickly as possible.

    Really afraid of the stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭Syphonax


    ScumLord wrote: »
    It's moving away from earth by about an inch every year, it's very slowly leaving our orbit. In just a few short billion years we'll have no moon to look at and brighten up those dark nights.

    Yeah but doesnt it move closer at certain times during its orbit? Which might mean it could get caught in gravity or something at these times and plow right into us?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Yeah but doesnt it move closer at certain times during its orbit? Which might mean it could get caught in gravity or something at these times and plow right into us?

    I can sell you a guaranteed place in my moon-proof survival shelter for a one-off price of €50,000, payable in handy weekly installments of €1,000 each. Places are limited, so you need to act fast - the next near-earth pass is only 10 months away. Send me your credit card details and I'll do the rest. You can rest easy at night, knowing the Gravelly Moon Shelter is available to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Syphonax wrote: »
    Yeah but doesnt it move closer at certain times during its orbit? Which might mean it could get caught in gravity or something at these times and plow right into us?
    You have to take into account the sun is playing a part in trying to break us up to. The moon is the result of a massive explosion that happened billions of years ago and the moon is flying away from that explosion, it won't be coming back. While the moons orbit is slightly elliptical because of the tug of the sun the overwhelming direction is away from earth so the closest point gets further and further away each year. It's quite sad to think earth won't have a moon in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    ScumLord wrote: »
    You have to take into account the sun is playing a part in trying to break us up to. The moon is the result of a massive explosion that happened billions of years ago and the moon is flying away from that explosion, it won't be coming back. While the moons orbit is slightly elliptical because of the tug of the sun the overwhelming direction is away from earth so the closest point gets further and further away each year. It's quite sad to think earth won't have a moon in the future.

    You moon apocalypse deniers don't fool me. THE END IS NIGH - WE MUST BE PREPARED.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,387 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ScumLord wrote: »
    You have to take into account the sun is playing a part in trying to break us up to. The moon is the result of a massive explosion that happened billions of years ago and the moon is flying away from that explosion, it won't be coming back. While the moons orbit is slightly elliptical because of the tug of the sun the overwhelming direction is away from earth so the closest point gets further and further away each year. It's quite sad to think earth won't have a moon in the future.

    I can think of more immediate things to be sad about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭daisy123


    I was glad to find out this was a thing. Can make me quite nauseous.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-trypophobia-definition-causes-images

    I also have this. I'm not afraid of the pictures, but I get lightheaded and nauseous if I look at them. Not all the pictures in that article, just some of them. The rash picture and the dog ticks didn't worry me, but the first picture and the one of the foot for example made me very uncomfortable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭daisy123


    greencap wrote: »
    The G word ?

    I think it's more likely the C word...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭uch


    I have a fear of being sent to prison and being Rodgered by Big Bubba

    21/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭storker


    ScumLord wrote: »
    It's quite sad to think earth won't have a moon in the future.

    Still, though, it's someone else's problem. :)

    My big fears are claustrophobia and premature burial. Not something I even realised I had until a year or so ago.


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