The Fatima Centenary

realitykeeper

As many of you may know, this is the centenary year of the miracle of Fatima in Portugal. As a believer in the Fatima apparitions, I look at what is happening in the world today when considering the warnings given by Our Lady.

The first apparition happened one hundred years ago in May, and Portugal won Eurovision on the centenary date. The centenary of the second apparition happened in June when devastating fires caused 60 deaths in Portugal. The centenary of the third apparition is this month and the other apparitions happened on the 13th of each month until finally the miracle on October 13. This year, October 13th will fall of a Friday which has historical significance as it pertains to the expunging of the Knights Templar by the King of France (who was heavily indebted to that order of Knights).

According to contrarian economists, a cataclysmic economic collapse is almost upon us. They say all the indicators are screaming and flashing red warning lights. If they are right, could this be what we should expect in October and will it trigger wars and famines? I believe the answer is yes but it probably will not happen on the 13th day of October but within a short time of that date. However, the 13th day may well be the date of a trigger event which will be too subtle to warrant headlines in the media. If it does pertain to economic collapse (or another event), it will probably happen within a month of October 13th in my opinion. Faith must be preserved which is why the connection between the 13th day and any consequent event will probably be obscured, this is why I do not believe any event will necessarily happen on the 13th.

sbsquarepants

Hmmm.

I think you'll find that "something" happens on every anniversary of everything:rolleyes:

realitykeeper

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Hmmm.

I think you'll find that "something" happens on every anniversary of everything:rolleyes:

Yes but how often does Portugal make headline news? Two months in a row is unusual. You are right though, the next event may be larger than Portugal. Today is the 13th, so within a the next week or so, something major may happen in Europe.

realitykeeper

Another interesting Portugal/Eurovision connection is the 1974 Carnation Revolution. The Portuguese song in the competition was the agreed starting time for the rebels to begin their hostilities against the government. The rebels and their supporters were of a socialist/communist taint, hence the symbolism of the red carnation which was used by the rebels. Our Lady of Fatima warmed against the rise of God-less Communism.

Owryan

realitykeeper wrote: »

Yes but how often does Portugal make headline news? Two months in a row is unusual. You are right though, the next event may be larger than Portugal. Today is the 13th, so within a the next week or so, something major may happen in Europe.

So, "something major" may happen in Europe. Europe is a bit vague, care to narrow it down a bit? How bout a specific region or even what the event will be.

Not that it matters, you aren't even saying something will happen, only that it may happen.

I'm going to predict that there may be an incident in Europe that will make the news. Sure if something does/doesn't happen I ll still be right.

NIMAN

So our Lady appeared to say Portugal was going to win Eurovision?

Sorry, but reading your post makes you sound like a religious nut/conspiracy theorist combined.

You even do the usual of saying that 13th Oct will have big implications, but say it might not happen on that date....so in other words, cover your bases. But you say you believe the event will trigger wars and famines....things that are always occuring somewhere in the world at any given time anyway.

I'm sorry but this is all like cold reading....making wide, open predictions which can easily be tied into something thats happening in the news.

sbsquarepants

realitykeeper wrote: »

Yes but how often does Portugal make headline news? Two months in a row is unusual. You are right though, the next event may be larger than Portugal. Today is the 13th, so within a the next week or so, something major may happen in Europe.

Depends where you are.
If you're in Portugal for example, I'd say it makes the headlines daily!

We all know cases of seeing what you want to see, but for god sake man - read what you're typing. The Eurovision song contest? Something may happen in Europe at sometime?

Realitykeeper is I assume an ironic username?

hinault

realitykeeper wrote: »

As many of you may know, this is the centenary year of the miracle of Fatima in Portugal. As a believer in the Fatima apparitions, I look at what is happening in the world today when considering the warnings given by Our Lady.

The first apparition happened one hundred years ago in May, and Portugal won Eurovision on the centenary date. The centenary of the second apparition happened in June when devastating fires caused 60 deaths in Portugal. The centenary of the third apparition is this month and the other apparitions happened on the 13th of each month until finally the miracle on October 13. This year, October 13th will fall of a Friday which has historical significance as it pertains to the expunging of the Knights Templar by the King of France (who was heavily indebted to that order of Knights).

According to contrarian economists, a cataclysmic economic collapse is almost upon us. They say all the indicators are screaming and flashing red warning lights. If they are right, could this be what we should expect in October and will it trigger wars and famines? I believe the answer is yes but it probably will not happen on the 13th day of October but within a short time of that date. However, the 13th day may well be the date of a trigger event which will be too subtle to warrant headlines in the media. If it does pertain to economic collapse (or another event), it will probably happen within a month of October 13th in my opinion. Faith must be preserved which is why the connection between the 13th day and any consequent event will probably be obscured, this is why I do not believe any event will necessarily happen on the 13th.

Trying to interpret prophesy is extremely difficult.

Even where a prophesy is clear and perfectly understandable, some will refuse to accept what has been prophesised. Or worse others will experience the prophesy but will try to revise what was experienced to try to discount the accuracy of what had been predicted.

antiskeptic

hinault wrote: »

Even where a prophesy is clear and perfectly understandable,

For example...

NIMAN

hinault wrote: »

Trying to interpret prophesy is extremely difficult.

Even where a prophesy is clear and perfectly understandable, some will refuse to accept what has been prophesised. Or worse others will experience the prophesy but will try to revise what was experienced to try to discount the accuracy of what had been predicted.

And that works both ways too.

Often the most obscure thing is seen as a sign to suit the believers.

Like when a robin bird is outside your window, thats a dead relative, or when a mirror falls off the wall, a definite sign from beyond the grave, rather than a poorly anchored nail.

4068ac1elhodqr

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/02/earth-will-be-destroyed-in-october-2017-and-the-rich-are-already-building-bunkers-6356300/
If the sky doesn't go dark on the full moon of 5th Oct 2017 (due to X), as mentioned in the above article, all should be dandy.

Would imagine there would be some money to be made building bunkers for all the folks who read the tabloids.
e.g. Stick an old shipping container under a field and that's it, few tins of beans and beer tap.




Then again, wasn't it the Sumerians that did some sketches of Planet X breezing by every so often. Their inter-galactic road map discs weren't too bad for 10k bc. If these Annunaki lads do actually show up via Nibiru, lets just hope they like what we've done with the place, they sure don't look too chilled.

realitykeeper

NIMAN wrote: »

I'm sorry but this is all like cold reading....making wide, open predictions which can easily be tied into something thats happening in the news.

Proof positive negates the need for faith but since faith is necessary in Christianity, proof is out of the question. Therefore the necessity for vagueness in any attempt at prophesy.

realitykeeper

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Depends where you are.
If you're in Portugal for example, I'd say it makes the headlines daily!

Lets not be facetious. Portugal made the headlines in Europe in May and globally in June. That is unusual.

realitykeeper

hinault wrote: »

Trying to interpret prophesy is extremely difficult.

Even where a prophesy is clear and perfectly understandable, some will refuse to accept what has been prophesised. Or worse others will experience the prophesy but will try to revise what was experienced to try to discount the accuracy of what had been predicted.

I think talking about matters of faith is a good thing. What is dangerous is when people take a trenchant position and then use that position as a basis for war.

Cabaal

realitykeeper wrote: »

Lets not be facetious. Portugal made the headlines in Europe in May and globally in June. That is unusual.

Globally? You sure?
You think every country in Asia reported the event? How often does the West report on stuff in Asia?...... Clue is we don't report as often as you might think.

Ireland made the news yesterday in Europe, how often does that happen? We've made the news globally too

Claiming Portugal doesn't make the news much is just you re-enforce your own view by being narrow in your view. Search Google news, Portugal is in the news plenty!

realitykeeper

Cabaal wrote: »

Globally? You sure?
You think every country in Asia reported the event? How often does the West report on stuff in Asia?

Yes I am sure. It made the news feeds and in some cases the commentary on many news channels, including those serving Asia and Africa.

endacl

realitykeeper wrote: »

Proof positive negates the need for faith but since faith is necessary in Christianity, proof is out of the question. Therefore the necessity for vagueness in any attempt at prophesy.

A perfect circle.

Chapeau.

hinault

antiskeptic wrote: »

For example...

http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

hinault

realitykeeper wrote: »

I think talking about matters of faith is a good thing. What is dangerous is when people take a trenchant position and then use that position as a basis for war.

Of course discussing faith is a good thing.

However the difficulty remains of how to interpret prophesy correctly. It is only with the benefit, or cost, of hindsight that we come to understand that God-given prophecy comes true.

One premise for God-given prophecy is that the prophesy is 100% accurate. One can only judge whether the prophecy has been 100% accurate in hindsight.

What determines 100% accuracy? If a prophecy predicted that 100 million people would perish at a given time, and it subsequently transpires that 100 million + 1 people perished at the same given time, does this make the prophecy inaccurate? The sceptic would try to claim that the prophecy was inaccurate because one more person perished than the 100 million who perished.

NIMAN

hinault wrote: »

Of course discussing faith is a good thing.

However the difficulty remains of how to interpret prophesy correctly. It is only with the benefit, or cost, of hindsight that we come to understand that God-given prophecy comes true.

One premise for God-given prophecy is that the prophesy is 100% accurate. One can only judge whether the prophecy has been 100% accurate in hindsight.

What determines 100% accuracy? If a prophecy predicted that 100 million people would perish at a given time, and it subsequently transpires that 100 million + 1 people perished at the same given time, does this make the prophecy inaccurate? The sceptic would try to claim that the prophecy was inaccurate because one more person perished than the 100 million who perished.[

you're just being silly.

I am a skeptic, but If that was to happen I would say that that prophecy came true, I'd hold my hands up to it.

But if someone was to say Portugal would make the news worldwide for some big event in May, and then it so happens that they won the Eurovision, then sorry, I'm not giving you that one. Thats just fitting a news story to the prophecy, like many do. Fans of Nostradamus are famous for this.

It has been said that some cataclysmic event is likely in Oct or Nov of this year pertaining to Portugal. I'm holding my breath, can hardly wait.

I just hope Ronaldo doesn't break a leg playing football in the autumn, that'll be seen as the major event by some.:rolleyes:

hinault

NIMAN wrote: »

you're just being silly.

I am a skeptic, but If that was to happen I would say that that prophecy came true, I'd hold my hands up to it.

I don't buy that you would hold your hands up. Given your posts on this section of the site.

sbsquarepants

realitykeeper wrote: »

Lets not be facetious. Portugal made the headlines in Europe in May and globally in June. That is unusual.

I'm not being facetious.

Eurovision - that's what you've got? To celebrate the 100th anniversary of the mother of God appearing to somebody or other, the big man arranged for Portugal to win probably the lamest, gayest, campest competition on earth......and the Eurovision song contest.

Actually Ronaldo had twins by some sort of immaculate conception also now that I think of it, so you could be on to something:eek:

J C

realitykeeper wrote: »

Another interesting Portugal/Eurovision connection is the 1974 Carnation Revolution. The Portuguese song in the competition was the agreed starting time for the rebels to begin their hostilities against the government. The rebels and their supporters were of a socialist/communist taint, hence the symbolism of the red carnation which was used by the rebels. Our Lady of Fatima warmed against the rise of God-less Communism.

... and now we have God-less Capitalism as well ... and by the looks of things are well on the way towards a God-less Ireland as well.

realitykeeper

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'm not being facetious.

Eurovision - that's what you've got? To celebrate the 100th anniversary of the mother of God appearing to somebody or other, the big man arranged for Portugal to win probably the lamest, gayest, campest competition on earth......and the Eurovision song contest.

Actually Ronaldo had twins by some sort of immaculate conception also now that I think of it, so you could be on to something:eek:

If you are looking for a bird in a bush, you are far more likely to see one than someone who is not looking for a bird in a bush. If you were expecting Portugal to feature prominently in the news in May and June, you would not have been disappointed.

realitykeeper

J C wrote: »

... and now we have God-less Capitalism as well ... and by the looks of things are well on the way towards a God-less Ireland as well.

Indeed and countries which abandoned God in the past suffered for it. The Communist countries are an example of this. It is also telling that Russia is far more religious today than it was 100 years ago, having seen where that brought them. We are now living in Biblical times again and Ireland could not have picked a worse time to abandon God.

sbsquarepants

realitykeeper wrote: »

If you are looking for a bird in a bush.

This is basically my point.

You looked for a bird in a bush - you found one. 2 actually.

There's big forest fire there now. Now sceptics might say that's explained by the fact that it is in places a tinder dry country, where it often tops 40 degrees for long periods - but we know it's nothing to do with that - it's actually a sign from above to end our godless ways!

realitykeeper

sbsquarepants wrote: »

This is basically my point.

You looked for a bird in a bush - you found one. 2 actually.

There's big forest fire there now. Now sceptics might say that's explained by the fact that it is in places a tinder dry country, where it often tops 40 degrees for long periods - but we know it's nothing to do with that - it's actually a sign from above to end our godless ways!

Yes I think Pharaoh said something similar to Moses half way through the plagues of Egypt.

Ludwig Heinrich Edler

sbsquarepants wrote: »

This is basically my point.

You looked for a bird in a bush - you found one. 2 actually.

There's big forest fire there now. Now sceptics might say that's explained by the fact that it is in places a tinder dry country, where it often tops 40 degrees for long periods - but we know it's nothing to do with that - it's actually a sign from above to end our godless ways!

More recently here has been another big forest fire, this time in the French riviera.

LordSutch

I'm guessing that Fatima mansions is 'unfortunately' named after the miracle of Fatima?

branie2

Have you ever seen the film, The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima? it's a great film, albeit a bit fictionalised in parts

LordSutch

No I haven't seen it yet, but I will keep an eye out for it.

I know nothing about Fatima, miracle etc ...

Ludwig Heinrich Edler

If this month`s forrest fires are a sign, the latest update was in the news today, more fires, this time in Italy. I just found this video, posted only a few hours ago, they are calling the heatwave which is causing the fires "Lucifer!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud8LkZ1W2nU

Ludwig Heinrich Edler

sbsquarepants wrote: »

There's big forest fire there now. Now sceptics might say that's explained by the fact that it is in places a tinder dry country, where it often tops 40 degrees for long periods - but we know it's nothing to do with that - it's actually a sign from above to end our godless ways!

Well what do you expect. If God, (or the devil for that matter) wanted to light a fire, they would hardly come along in human form with a box of matches. They would use nature. This heatwave is called Lucifer but even if the heatwave/fires are not caused by supernatural intervention, the fact that these events coincide with an expected sign is significant.

RobertKK

The miracle of the sun is the most interesting thing that happened at Fatima.

lazybones32

RobertKK wrote: »

The miracle of the sun is the most interesting thing that happened at Fatima.

What is this "the sun" you speak of? We don't have one of them in ireland. Only grey clouds.

4068ac1elhodqr

Weather phenomenon, parhelion (sun dog) in rainbow colors:


Lets see how things pan out for the upcoming solar eclipse on 21 Aug, chances are a few people will damage their retinas.
The Bible/constellations (Jupiter-Virgo and the crown of 12-stars) seems very much to favour 23 Sept '17.
Hopefully were all still here by 10 Oct, on the Centenary and Niribu hasn't collided.
As I'm due to win the lotto shortly after on Sat Nov 4, as I'm a lucky Libra.

realitykeeper

The number 17 seems to have significance in matters pertaining to the miracle of Fatima. Monday, October 30 is 17 days after the centenary. It comes 3 days before all souls day and historically, October 30 is very significant. On that day in 1950, is said to have witnessed the miracle of the sun while at the Vatican (do not have the details but presumably this came to him as a vision or in a dream). Also, a couple of major events happened in relation to the crusades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_30

The Knights Templar were sacked on Friday October 13 by the King of France, so any connection to the crusades is interesting. Fatima was named after a Muslim convert.

smacl

Makai Mammoth Landlord wrote: »

Weather phenomenon, parhelion (sun dog) in rainbow colors

They're rare but not massively so, here's a picture of one I took from outside my house in 2016. Also referred to as a nacreous cloud or circumzenithal arc as I learnt following an enlightening discussion on the Weather forum and email exchange from the guys in Met Eireann.

MrPudding

branie2 wrote: »

Have you ever seen the film, The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima? it's a great film, albeit a bit fictionalised in parts

Parts of it? LOL.

MrP

branie2

I was there for a day in 2006. It was a wonderful experience.

splinter65

I tried to purchase some Fatima prayer cards online on Friday and they’re sold out in Veritas. Got some on Amazon in the end.
Just love Our Lady of Fatima and the children.

realitykeeper

It seems the Knights Templar was not totally destroyed because in Portugal they changed their name to the Order of Christ and continued to exist until 1910 when it was temporarily disbanded. It was reinstated in 1917, the year of the apparitions. The town of Fatima is located just a few miles from a major base for the Portuguese Knights Templar. The destruction of the Knights Templar in the rest of Europe ended the military fiat currency system that held sway on the continent until that point in time. Today`s fiat currencies seem to be under threat by bitcoin of all things. The recent sharp rise in bitcoin may be caused by major institutions more than ordinary individuals. If so, is it because they are worried about the way they see inflation going. (Inflation = debt default by stealth). The original destruction of the knights Templar was because the King of France did not want to pay them what he owed. Could debt be a cause of turmoil in the future and will that turmoil lead to greater destruction?

smacl

Fair play for putting that together RealityKeeper, you could give Dan Brown a run for his money :P

4068ac1elhodqr

That went fairly quickly from holy apparitions/weather phenomenon to the price of Bitcoin within 1 long paragraph from the 'holder of reality'.

Ah sure while were on it, BTC is down to $14k today from a peak of $20 last week, certainly not a basket place to keep all your eggs in. Today's CC is simply a trial/precursor to quantum RFID based payments.

The aul' KT chaps have an associate with a Medieval Church near 'Temple'town, Cooley mountains. Dating back to the 15th century and the site has an association with the Knights of Templar founded in 1118. The Knights Templar are credited with starting an early form of banking in Ireland. The church was visited by the Ex. Vice President of the United States Joe Biden in 2016, so worth a visit for the admirers of failing fiat banking system.

smacl

Makai Mammoth Landlord wrote: »

The aul' KT chaps have an associate with a Medieval Church near 'Temple'town, Cooley mountains. Dating back to the 15th century and the site has an association with the Knights of Templar founded in 1118. The Knights Templar are credited with starting an early form of banking in Ireland. The church was visited by the Ex. Vice President of the United States Joe Biden in 2016, so worth a visit for the admirers of failing fiat banking system.

There's also a crusader church Templetown on Hook Head, worth popping in if you're in that neck of the woods. And for hidden treasures, there's apparently a stash of gold somewhere just down the road in Dollar bay.

NIMAN

Good to see realitykeeper resurface, complete with yet more oul nonsense.

Getting back to the 1st post, so what was the huge event in October then? I must have missed it.

smacl

NIMAN wrote: »

Getting back to the 1st post, so what was the huge event in October then? I must have missed it.

Centenary of the Miracle apparently, see this thread.

NIMAN

Is a centenary what the OP was telling us about ?

Ah, no. He (or she) said it was going to be something big, and nothing happened.

He is a troll.

4068ac1elhodqr

NIMAN wrote: »

Is a centenary what the OP was telling us about ?

Ah, no. He (or she) said it was going to be something big, and nothing happened.

He is a troll.

Think so, 100yrs since the apparition, there was also some other thing to do with the line up of the stars, something mentioned in revelations, that also happened in October to signify the start of the tribulation.

Saying that, Rocketman is still putting furniture outdoors every so often, 'the great bear' has hypersonic capabilities. Now the Chinese have some new 10-headed sonic dragon. So fingers crossed no-one pokes the mighty eagle.

realitykeeper

Wherever you see Temple in a place name around Europe, chances are it was because of the Knights Templar.

realitykeeper

NIMAN wrote: »

Is a centenary what the OP was telling us about ?

Ah, no. He (or she) said it was going to be something big, and nothing happened.

He is a troll.

Not at all. Complacency is dangerous. One must remain ever vigilant. Certainly I was early in my expectation of cataclysm but that just means we are in borrowed time and everyday that goes bye worsens the prospects for the future. The piper must be paid and his bill is growing ever larger.