Topaz miles

leinad

https://www.topaz.ie/fuels/Miles.aspx - well what do we think the additive is? Dipetane maybe

Skatedude

So you probably get less millage per gallon, ergo, less wear and tear? Er, water?

colm_mcm

3% more mileage,exactly the same as Topaz claimed on the old stuff.

Teddington Cuddlesworth

They're just pumping more money into an old marketing campaign.

Nothing new, it was written on their pumps for many years.

flazio

And are they bringing back Statoil as well? Surely I can't be the only one to recognise the logo, however Statoil themselves have changed theirs to something that resembles a purple version of the BP logo.

colm_mcm

Statoil has been rebranded as Circle K, which is owned by Couche Tard, which is who own topaz.

RayM

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Topaz will be rebranding as "Circle K" in 2018.

bazz26

Are they charging more for this new wonder stuff than their regular petrol/diesel?

kirving

Topaz are usually more expensive where I am, but probably not by 3% to be fair.

I don't have a perfect comparison, but my car nigh on always averages 7.4l/100km on a fill. Ive been to Topaz exclusivly lately and it's now showing 7.1. Not other changes. I'd like to see actual data however.

mikeybrennan

yes

any data to back this up

rex-x

Bring on the miles plus 98 octane

pa990

leinad wrote: »

https://www.topaz.ie/fuels/Miles.aspx - well what do we think the additive is? Dipetane maybe

Lubrizol is the new additive

But shhh.. its suppose to be a secret.


The old Topaz additive was Keropur, made by BASF

Esel

pa990 wrote: »

Lubrizol is the new additive

But shhh.. its suppose to be a secret.


The old Topaz additive was Keropur, made by BASF

No specs given

https://www.lubrizol.com/en/Lubricant-and-Fuel-Additives/Fuel-Additives/Applications/Gasoline

mikeecho

RayM wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Topaz will be rebranding as "Circle K" in 2018.

I posted about this not so long ago http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057726899

Circle K is expected to be fully rolled out in the next 15 to 18 months.

They will have a big emphasis on improved carwashes, better coffee (simply great coffee),
The rollout of super fuels is in the pipeline also.
They will be called milesPlus (and they may make a claim that their petrol/ diesel is the only additized fuel in ireland)

god's toy

mikeecho wrote: »

I posted about this not so long ago http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057726899

Circle K is expected to be fully rolled out in the next 15 to 18 months.

They will have a big emphasis on improved carwashes, better coffee (simple great coffee),
The rollout of super fuels is in the pipeline also.
They will be called milesPlus (and they may make a claim that their petrol/ diesel is the only additized fuel in ireland)

[Slight_rant]
Why do I get the feeling this change will mean the getting rid of the 'pat at pump' I enjoy so much at my local station... After years of wishing for a human-free filling experience the simple joys of filling the tank and checking the tyres, simple in and out on my own may be nuked by those new look pumps with the super plus 98 and no LCD screens... Grrr... nothing more annoying than waiting then pumping then queuing/waiting once more and then handing my card over to a person who couldn't give a flying %£$& about me or his/her own job only to puch 'Miles' or some such crap they are peddeling this month...
grrr

[/rant]

god's toy

god's toy wrote: »

[Slight_rant]
'pat at pump'

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Is that the lad that puts the fuel into your car?

Esel

BrownFinger wrote: »

Is that the lad that puts the fuel into your car?

You have have to pay Pat in the shop now.

georgefalls

https://www.researchgate.net/institution/BOSMAL_Automotive_Research_and_Development_Institute_Ltd

Study by BOSMAL, allegedly. Can't find anything on their site regarding Topaz petrol.

Looks a bit 'Mickey Mouse' website to me. A whole fifteen members on it

god's toy

BrownFinger wrote: »

Is that the lad that puts the fuel into your car?

Esel wrote: »

You have have to pay Pat in the shop now.

Was kinda mad at the fact my local 'pay at pump' had a credit card stuck in it. I had a good ole rant at the pump attendant whose name was probably Pat... Rather than getting upset he turned to me and said "You sir are a effing Legend" well done! we laughed, then I realised how stupid I was and apologized . Lol and walked away... err drove away

mikeecho

georgefalls wrote: »

https://www.researchgate.net/institution/BOSMAL_Automotive_Research_and_Development_Institute_Ltd

Study by BOSMAL, allegedly. Can't find anything on their site regarding Topaz petrol.

Looks a bit 'Mickey Mouse' website to me. A whole fifteen members on it

I've no intention of searching for it, but it could be under statoil fuel, or might just have been tested as an additive under its chemical name. I've no idea. I don't work for any of them.

mikeecho

god's toy wrote: »

[Slight_rant]
Why do I get the feeling this change will mean the getting rid of the 'pat at pump' I enjoy so much at my local station... After years of wishing for a human-free filling experience the simple joys of filling the tank and checking the tyres, simple in and out on my own may be nuked by those new look pumps with the super plus 98 and no LCD screens... Grrr... nothing more annoying than waiting then pumping then queuing/waiting once more and then handing my card over to a person who couldn't give a flying %£$& about me or his/her own job only to puch 'Miles' or some such crap they are peddeling this month...
grrr

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Pay at the pump won't change.. if a stn has it, then they'll keep it.
But pay at the pump is a bad business model.
Most profit is made once you walk inside and buy something.

Pay at the pump works best for unmanned stations.

god's toy

mikeecho wrote: »

Pay at the pump won't change.. if a stn has it, then they'll keep it.
But pay at the pump is a bad business model.
Most profit is made once you walk inside and buy something.

Pay at the pump works best for unmanned stations.

Yep I know that! I worked in the biz for 15 years! We used all the tricks to sell high margin goods... I can still remember 'we' made more on the customer buying a mars bar than buying 20 of fuel! that was 13 years ago ... lol worse now!

Sully

Am I the only one who thinks ReStore Deli offerings are very poor? In comparison to other branded garages like Maxol or the Independent guy operating a mini branded shop.

biko

I need more stats from them but it seems they add injector cleaner

So this imaginary 3% is only valid for a system with dirty fuel injectors.
Once the injectors are clean there in no benefit to the fuel, other than to prevent dirty injectors.

god's toy

biko wrote: »

So this imaginary 3% is only valid for a system with dirty fuel injectors.
Once the injectors are clean there in no benefit to the fuel, other than to prevent dirty injectors.

That's the best benefit I can think off tbh. (if it works) .well that and the credit card integrated pumps.

colm_mcm

Yep and the 3% is against fuel with no such additives.

mikeecho

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yep and the 3% is against fuel with no such additives.

i was always of the belief that those claims of better mileage etc from fuel, was then they were compaired to base fuel with zero additives, and that all fuel had some sort of additive.
But a guy i know who owns a Topaz branded garage, told me that Topaz (soon to be Circle K) fuels ore the ONLY additive-ized fuel in ireland.

Dunno how true that it, but he even has it up on a sign in his shop.

For the cleaning property alone.. i'm sold. If it cleans and, keeps clean the engine, then that will eventually save me time and money on repairs and off the shelf additives.

now bring on the milesPlus i want that extra cetane / octane

mikeecho

biko wrote: »

I need more stats from them but it seems they add injector cleaner

So this imaginary 3% is only valid for a system with dirty fuel injectors.
Once the injectors are clean there in no benefit to the fuel, other than to prevent dirty injectors.

Google "statoil miles" you'll need to use google translate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t0VesGHRoY

as clear as mud

mikeecho

georgefalls wrote: »

https://www.researchgate.net/institution/BOSMAL_Automotive_Research_and_Development_Institute_Ltd

Study by BOSMAL, allegedly. Can't find anything on their site regarding Topaz petrol.

Looks a bit 'Mickey Mouse' website to me. A whole fifteen members on it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sZmBM0HI88

mikeecho

on the other hand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYlk9C1o0nk

slightly NSFW

colm_mcm

That guy's just a crank.

NIMAN

Heard this advert the other day and although it would be nice to get a guaranteed 3% extra miles from each gallon, they have a list of conditions at the end of the advert which will cover them when you don't.

mikeecho

NIMAN wrote: »

Heard this advert the other day and although it would be nice to get a guaranteed 3% extra miles from each gallon, they have a list of conditions at the end of the advert which will cover them when you don't.

Can u list the t&c' s. I've just had a bottle of wine.. can't Google...

NIMAN

Not sure, they are at the end of the advert,

something along the line of 'actual improvement may be altered depending on road or weather conditions'. You know, the type of thing that covers them when you complain you aren't seeing any more miles with their special fuel.

mikeecho

NIMAN wrote: »

Not sure, they are at the end of the advert,

something along the line of 'actual improvement may be altered depending on road or weather conditions'. You know, the type of thing that covers them when you complain you aren't seeing any more miles with their special fuel.

That's a pretty standard disclaimer.

NIMAN

Of course it is, and means that they could have added absolutely zilch to their fuel to help you get extra miles, but just say they have and its the wind or rain or your tyre pressure thats not getting you 3% extra miles.

mikeecho

NIMAN wrote: »

Of course it is, and means that they could have added absolutely zilch to their fuel to help you get extra miles, but just say they have and its the wind or rain or your tyre pressure thats not getting you 3% extra miles.

I'd normally agree, but the fact that they are "getting away" with these claims in countries across the world, I'm begining to think twice.

Where regulation/enforcent is lax here, I find it hard to believe that they are getting away with spurious claims in the Nordic countries, for the past few years.

The lubrizol might do something, it might do nothing, but it seems to be something that's not in any other fuel., just like the old additive (keropur) which also claimed 3%) topaz secured an irish exclusivity on it.

I get free coffee at my topaz, so.. might as well spend an extra few ￠ On a fill,... it's cheaper than buying the coffee.

pa990

Fyi.

This miles stuff is no different from the fuel you've been using for the last yr or so.

Topaz used keropur, but when they were bought out by couche tard in late 2015, the special fairy dust was changed to lubrizol.

So.. what you're buying in 2017, is no different to what you bought in 2016.

Unless we get milesplus, it'll be the same as br
Before ..

And the milesPlus petrol will still be 95ron min.
The diesel milesPlus, should be higher than 51 cetane.

But....

blackwhite

god's toy wrote: »

Yep I know that! I worked in the biz for 15 years! We used all the tricks to sell high margin goods... I can still remember 'we' made more on the customer buying a mars bar than buying 20 of fuel! that was 13 years ago ... lol worse now!

Either you were working for dealer instead of one of the bigger networks, or they were lying to you.

The company-owned networks in Ireland (i.e. those who are importing their own fuel) have been making gross margin between 8-12cpl over the past few years.
On a 20l fill that's a min €1.60 of Gross Margin.

I'd hate to think what was being charged for a Mars bar if they were making €1.60 GM on it.

god's toy

blackwhite wrote: »

Either you were working for dealer instead of one of the bigger networks, or they were lying to you.

The company-owned networks in Ireland (i.e. those who are importing their own fuel) have been making gross margin between 8-12cpl over the past few years.
On a 20l fill that's a min €1.60 of Gross Margin.

I'd hate to think what was being charged for a Mars bar if they were making €1.60 GM on it.

It was Esso and it was 13 years ago not the last few yesrs when I worked my last day for them.

blackwhite

god's toy wrote: »

It was Esso and it was 13 years ago when I worked my last day for them.

Esso owned or a dealer taking supply & branding from Esso?


If it was Esso-owned, then they were seriously understating their margins to ye!

god's toy

blackwhite wrote: »

Esso owned or a dealer taking supply & branding from Esso?


If it was Esso-owned, then they were seriously understating their margins to ye!

It was part of the artane services stations ltd group. About 30 sites if I remember right.

blackwhite

god's toy wrote: »

It was part of the artane services stations ltd group. About 30 sites if I remember right.

Dealer group then - the v low margins would make a bit more sense.

Esso would have been supplying them and be charging a margin anything from 4-9cpl above their own supply cost.

Nigh on impossible for dealer sites to complete on fuel alone TBH

VegetaIRL8e

sorry to drag up relatively old thread but started to see the miles plus around now. Anyone know what the plus is...specifically the diesel is it a higher than 51

bazz26

VegetaIRL8e wrote: »

sorry to drag up relatively old thread but started to see the miles plus around now. Anyone know what the plus is...specifically the diesel is it a higher than 51

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057779348

dil999

blackwhite wrote: »

Either you were working for dealer instead of one of the bigger networks, or they were lying to you.

The company-owned networks in Ireland (i.e. those who are importing their own fuel) have been making gross margin between 8-12cpl over the past few years.
On a 20l fill that's a min €1.60 of Gross Margin.

I'd hate to think what was being charged for a Mars bar if they were making €1.60 GM on it.

Wow if that the case its 6% - 9% gross margin on Petrol. I knew the margins were small, but that's tiny. I now realise why the coffee is so expensive. I would say the margins on Mars bars are probably 10 times that.

mikeecho

VegetaIRL8e wrote: »

sorry to drag up relatively old thread but started to see the miles plus around now. Anyone know what the plus is...specifically the diesel is it a higher than 51

It will have a min of 3 more cetane numbers.

Topaz


Hi , I have a response from the fuel team for you- Originally, Cetane Improver is a refinery (production) additive. This means that this additive is often used at the production level to meet the Diesel EN590 specification of min 51. We only claim Cetane No. min 51 as we have no control over how much additive has been added by the refinery. This additive has a sharp and immediate effect but falls of if you keep adding more, at a certain amount the Cetane Number improvement stops and the CN does not get any higher.
That said, we add Cetane improver not to increase the Cetane number, but to give all the other advantages we claim for miles and milesPLUS diesel. The Cetane improver together with the other specialist additives work together in a balanced combination to provide these premium products with their unique properties. We would expect that on average, the CN will increase by 3 Cetane numbers for milesPlus, but we cannot guarantee this based on the above explanation.

I hope this answers your query. Many thanks

blackwhite

dil999 wrote: »

Wow if that the case its 6% - 9% gross margin on Petrol. I knew the margins were small, but that's tiny. I now realise why the coffee is so expensive. I would say the margins on Mars bars are probably 10 times that.

Retail fuel is a volume game. You need big throughout on fuel to cover your fixed costs.

8-12cpl is actually a decent return on fuel by European standards - some countries the average margins are closer to 3-5 cpl.

(% GM is a largely meaningless measure for oil products, as the base cost fluctuates so much due to the oil price floating on the open market - industry practice is to use cpl).

Tommyboy40

Circle K are a Canadian family owned business. the man who founded it is still at the helm. They bought Whitegate recently