Removal of hedgerow

John Kelly of

Hi I wish to remove a hedge separating 2 fields to make 1 big field. It's about 200m long.
Do I need to get planning permission or any type of permission to do it?
It's in Tipperary.

TalkingBull

if your in GLAS or any the agri schemes my understanding is you'd have to plant 200m elsewhere on farm before removing your 200.
Best to get advice from agri advisor before starting work, for could be costly 200 m

John Kelly of

Hi I am not in any scheme at all does that matter?

Buford T. Justice XIX

John Kelly of wrote: »

Hi I am not in any scheme at all does that matter?

Nope, if you want to remove a hedge then you will have to plant the equivalent length of hedge before you knock the old.

And before is the important word there.

Attie

John be very careful what you remove. Hedgerow removal

ganmo

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Nope, if you want to remove a hedge then you will have to plant the equivalent length of hedge before you knock the old.

And before is the important word there.

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/ruralenvironment/environment/environmentalimpactassessment/EIAGuideforFarmers200212.pdf

You may need to get dept approval

Sam Kade

What if you needed to remove hedges to make a central farm road for a dairy farm? Fairly impossible to manage a dairy farm without a roadway.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sam Kade wrote: »

What if you needed to remove hedges to make a central farm road for a dairy farm? Fairly impossible to manage a dairy farm without a roadway.

Hedges are landscape features so have to be maintained for cross compliance.

Just not where they currently are as long as you are able to plant a different section.

lakill Farm

I took out a hedge on Feb 2015. Piped the drain behind it and only reset the hedge in march this year almost along the same line as orginal old hedge.

I'm in no schemes and don't get any farm payments. Council engineer tried to stop me and went off with his tail between his legs telling me I needed planning.

The new hedge is native beech hedge and semi mature oak trees versus a mutt of a hedge before. I know which one my close by neightbours prefer. They even offered to pay for the job after I had finished it. Been told it looked well was better than anything.

John Kelly of

Thanks guys.
From that link posted by ganmo it seems that removal is ok without notifying dept. if less than 500m and the 2 fields don't exceed 5 hectares.
I sent an email to Tipp council and got one back asking me to fill out an enquiry form and pay 80euro fee to make the enquiry.

I said

John Kelly of wrote: »

Thanks guys.
From that link posted by ganmo it seems that removal is ok without notifying dept. if less than 500m and the 2 fields don't exceed 5 hectares.
I sent an email to Tipp council and got one back asking me to fill out an enquiry form and pay 80euro fee to make the enquiry.

Grabbing fcukers

Wildsurfer

John Kelly of wrote: »

Hi I am not in any scheme at all does that matter?

Are you in receipt of any single farm payment even?

Teyla Emmagan

lakill Farm wrote:

The new hedge is native beech hedge and semi mature oak trees versus a mutt of a hedge before. I know which one my close by neightbours prefer. They even offered to pay for the job after I had finished it. Been told it looked well was better than anything.

The mutt of a hedge was probably a fantastic habitat which you destroyed. This is why you have to out in a replacement before removing an old hedge. Looking well is not the most important consideration.

blue5000

John Kelly of wrote: »

Thanks guys.
From that link posted by ganmo it seems that removal is ok without notifying dept. if less than 500m and the 2 fields don't exceed 5 hectares.
I sent an email to Tipp council and got one back asking me to fill out an enquiry form and pay 80euro fee to make the enquiry.

John I suggest just drop in personally to the coco without making an appointment. But you really need to have a new one planted before you go digging. Everything is on satellite photos these days. A neighbour of mine is in danger of losing sfp for removing hedges.

lakill Farm

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

The mutt of a hedge was probably a fantastic habitat which you destroyed. This is why you have to out in a replacement before removing an old hedge. Looking well is not the most important consideration.

sure how can you replace a hedge before you remove one if its going on the exact same line? set it somewhere and then move it? logic.

just because some lad put it into a recommendation doesn't actually mean its logical or practical to do it. looking well does have important consideration however health and safety due to piping a drain was higher on the list of priority .

greysides

Attack the post not the poster please. Lakill please edit your last post.

lakill Farm

greysides wrote: »

Attack the post not the poster please. Lakill please edit your last post.

It wount allow me. When I went to edit the text was replaced by a grey box with black border

I wasn't attacking the poster

Panjandrums

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lakill Farm

Panjandrums wrote: »

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Oak Trees are 15 years old . and beech were 4/4.5ft height. Once off cost.

Parishlad

Very interested in this thread! I have a spot of about 15 acres that is divided down the middle by an old roadway with 'separate' paddocks/fields either side. The roadway itself is completely over grown. The fields once upon a time were divided by dry stone walls. Now they are all overgrown with briars, whitethorn etc.
So I want to clear the roadway altogether and fence down either side of it with gates into the individual fields. I also want to clear all the 'crap' from the walls and build them back up as much as possible.
There is also one small triangle of a patch that is separated from another field by a wall, again completely overgrown with briars etc. that i want to completely remove.
Now, my question is...what I term as crap would someone else term as a 'hedge'/'hedgerow'?
Nothing is stock-proof and I have no choice currently but to let the cattle roam the whole place so the idea is obviously to fence it in to separate paddocks and make better use of the land.
If I went in with a digger and did as I said above would I be landing myself in a whole heap of trouble?

Buford T. Justice XIX

lakill Farm wrote: »

It wount allow me. When I went to edit the text was replaced by a grey box with black border

I wasn't attacking the poster

Sorted now.

BTJ.

lakill Farm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Sorted now.

BTJ.

thanks and apology to the poster, no harm was meant

John Kelly of

Wildsurfer wrote: »

Are you in receipt of any single farm payment even?

No I am not really a farmer and I just bought those 2 fields.

John Kelly of

blue5000 wrote: »

John I suggest just drop in personally to the coco without making an appointment. But you really need to have a new one planted before you go digging. Everything is on satellite photos these days. A neighbour of mine is in danger of losing sfp for removing hedges.

I have a cousin who is in the council so I will get her to find out. I'll come back here and let ye know what she says.

Mooooo

John Kelly of wrote: »

No I am not really a farmer and I just bought those 2 fields.

The penalty is normally applied to payments on the department of ag side. Dunno what the council do

_Brian

Ya have to wonder who's damn land it really is, yes we get some payments but for most lads it's not enough to make them truly profitable anyway.

lakill Farm

_Brian wrote: »

Ya have to wonder who's damn land it really is, yes we get some payments but for most lads it's not enough to make them truly profitable anyway.

Better to look for forgiveness that permission.

Username John

lakill Farm wrote: »

Better to look for forgiveness that permission.

Not sure the dept see it exactly the same way

fepper

lakill Farm wrote: »

Better to look for forgiveness that permission.

Or what they don't know wont upset them....

lakill Farm

fepper wrote: »

Or what they don't know wont upset them....

There are just to many stupid rules in the country full stop. Common sense is just not allowed to be practiced at all

_Brian

lakill Farm wrote: »

Better to look for forgiveness that permission.

spoken like a happily married man !

John Kelly of

I asked my cousin in the Tipp council and she reckons it will be no problem to remove hedge but advised me to fill in the Section 5 Declaration form and pay the 80 euro to get clearance.

have2flushtwice

I've a ditch that the cattle walk through and needs to be tidied up. It's overgrown and has to be laid properly.
As it's in the same location I would assume I dont have to notify the dept?
Land is rented to a farmer long term, not used by me.
The works will improve the view from the house.
The fencing was never in great shape to start with so I can't put it to the Tennant to repair.

Capercaillie

lakill Farm wrote: »

There are just to many stupid rules in the country full stop. Common sense is just not allowed to be practiced at all

People should be allowed demolish hedgerows as they please?

K.G.

Capercaillie wrote: »

People should be allowed demolish hedgerows as they please?

While im not in favour of extensive removal the situation that currently exists whuch effectively locks the country side in some sort of limbo is wrong.the frame work should be changed to take account of average field size or a limit over a time frame.i took over a place that had 16 acres in 13 fields. Itf it was that way today it would be practically useless

lakill Farm

Capercaillie wrote: »

People should be allowed demolish hedgerows as they please?

that quoted comment was about having to have a new hedge planned before the new hedge.

I was removing the hedge end of story. 2 ways to skin a rabbit , I did it my way before 28 Feb that year. other option would be more harm but I have heard of lads "accidentially" control burning a hedge.

my hedge was removed and replaced at next available growing/planting season.

Next year im going another 100meters of "Farm hedging" and replacing with beech and oak. And then the last year there is 60/70m of laurel at the house the last owner planted and it will be seeing the anger of the Kubota

** For sale 70meters of mature laurel for free if anyone wants it by the way** will remove this winter if I had a home for it