Black & Decker 10.8V Drill Driver with 20 hand tools & bag EUR43.74 @ Amazon France

Suckit

I found it difficult to price compare this, so i am not 100% sure about how good of a deal it actually is, but it looks good.
Information here
http://www.blackanddecker.co.uk/en-gb/product-repository/products-blackanddeckereanz-ro/2016/11/21/23/45/bdcdd12htsa

It is
here for €75.85
€84.45 here
€81.69 on Amazon Germany
etc..

To get the price down to €31.60 (before shipping) you must use the code DECKERBEST at the Checkout.
Shipping to Ireland is €11.35.
Shipping to UK is €7.28, so it is slightly cheaper to use Parcel Wizard, Parcel Motel or Address Pal.
10.8V Ultra-Compact Lithium-ion Drill Driver with 20 hand tools and accessories and storage bag €31.60 + Shipping
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01BATE3OI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96
The code also works on this
Black + Decker BDCDC18K-QW 18 V Cordless Drill with Battery Charger 3 h - €37.70 + Shipping
https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B01CNOJ9R0/

colm_mcm

As long as you treat it as a screwdriver that can drill you'll be fine. 550rpm top speed and 8 hour charging would mean it's only for occasional quick jobs.

yannakis

colm_mcm wrote: »

As long as you treat it as a screwdriver that can drill you'll be fine. 550rpm top speed and 8 hour charging would mean it's only for occasional quick jobs.

Honest question: what shall I look out for in the specs for a good cordless drill? Is a cordless drill comparable to a corded one?

stimpson

yannakis wrote: »

Honest question: what shall I look out for in the specs for a good cordless drill? Is a cordless drill comparable to a corded one?

SDS. If you're buying a standard hammer drill you're wasting your money.

fleet

Look for
- Higher voltage (even the Ikea drill is 14.xV) OR mains powered.
- Hammer action would allow masonry drilling
- Keyless chuck or SDS would be nice but not necessary
- A good brand (BOSCH, MAKITA... anything German, Japanese or American). Black and Decker is grand though.

This drill would do well as a secondary driver (electric screwdriver), I'd get a cheap hammer action mains powered one as your main drill.

stimpson

Totally get SDS if you're buying a drill. They're not expensive and it's more than just a keyless chuck. The bit can actually move forward and back in the chuck. If you are ever drilling in masonry it makes a massive difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKDIggpbXqU

cletus

Stimpson, the OP linked to a 10.8 cordless drill, and you've recommenced an SDS. Surely its a little ridiculous, unless the OP is planning on drilling precast concrete or loads of masonary drilling.

OP, look for 18v, as this will allow for drilling in timber etc as well as driving screws. If you do have some masonry drilling to do, you can pick up a cheap corded drill, often in the likes of Lidl, that will have no difficulty drilling a few holes in solid walls

colm_mcm

yannakis wrote: »

Honest question: what shall I look out for in the specs for a good cordless drill? Is a cordless drill comparable to a corded one?

I would look at

• Voltage
• Amp hours on the battery
• Chuck size
• Battery type
• Number of batteries

The best cordless drill won't be a match for the worst corded drill.

Unless you're regularly drillin into masonary in places you don't have power, then getting a cordless SDS is a waste of money as well as a compromise when you're trying to use it for handy small jobs as a screwdriver or for drilling metal/wood.

Nothing wrong with SDS. It's a great system for those who need it. Most home-gamers don't need it though.

Pkiernan

Great drill if you need to spool thread or wool or need to whisk up some cream.... ☺

stimpson

yannakisasked about a good cordless drill. The answer for a good drill is SDS. If you're drilling wood and mostly driving screws then buy a good driver. If you're ever drilling masonry you're wasting your time with anything less. And Li-Ion will put out serious amperage and more current equals more torque. The convince of cordless may be worth the tradeoff against mains powered.

I have a corded SDS drill (house has block interior walls) and a good 14V LiIon driver for everything else.

colm_mcm

You'd swear lads were using rawl bolts to hang pictures!

cletus

stimpson wrote: »

yannakisasked about a good cordless drill. The answer for a good drill is SDS. If you're drilling wood and mostly driving screws then buy a good driver. If you're ever drilling masonry you're wasting your time with anything less. And Li-Ion will put out serious amperage and more current equals more torque. The convince of cordless may be worth the tradeoff against mains powered.

I have a corded SDS drill (house has block interior walls) and a good 14V LiIon driver for everything else.

That's just not true. I've drilled countless holes in block walls with a basic hammer action drill. Is SDS better? Yep. Is it necessary? No

Edit- I wrongly thought you were replying to the OP, my points still stand

mgbgt1978

stimpson wrote: »

yannakisasked about a good cordless drill. The answer for a good drill is SDS. If you're drilling wood and mostly driving screws then buy a good driver. If you're ever drilling masonry you're wasting your time with anything less. And Li-Ion will put out serious amperage and more current equals more torque. The convince of cordless may be worth the tradeoff against mains powered.

I have a corded SDS drill (house has block interior walls) and a good 14V LiIon driver for everything else.

So, you use a non SDS cordless for everything....except when you use a corded SDS for Masonry.
Yet you tell somebody else that they should buy a cordless SDS, even though their question puts them into the 1st-timer DIY League. Have you even priced a decent cordless SDS lately ?
Most part-time DIYers would be nuts to buy anything cordless...as Batteries will go off over time (especially if not used), and a simple extension lead plus corded Drill is always going to be the better value option for occasional use.

Capt'n Midnight

Cordless drills aren't in the same league as corded ones
That's why they go on about Voltage rather than Watts.


This one has a 10.8V 1.5Ah battery. So about 15 Watt hours.
Enough energy to power a bog standard 500W drill for less than two minutes. or a 1,500W SDS drill for 36 seconds.

If the battery lasts half an hour then it's a 30 Watt drill.

stimpson

cletus wrote: »

That's just not true. I've drilled countless holes in block walls with a basic hammer action drill. Is SDS better? Yep. Is it necessary? No

Edit- I wrongly thought you were replying to the OP, my points still stand

I'm not saying you can't do it with a hammer drill. I'm saying it takes forever. If you've got half a dozen holes to drill in masonry then good luck with a hammer drill. You'll be at if forever.

If you've got an old house like mine with aggregate in the blocks then there is no way of drilling a straight hole without one as you can stop when you hit a stone, put it in hammer only mode to smash the stone and then go back to hammer drill mode.

An SDS can be had cheaply nowadays. It's a false economy to buy anything else.

colm_mcm

stimpson wrote: »

An SDS can be had cheaply nowadays. It's a false economy to buy anything else.

Are you talking about cordless drills?

stimpson

colm_mcm wrote: »

Are you talking about cordless drills?

€50 cheap enough?

http://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/tools-fittings-curtain-rails/tools-fittings/fixa-hammer-drill-li-ion-art-50232899/

cletus

stimpson wrote: »

€50 cheap enough?

http://www.ikea.com/ie/en/products/tools-fittings-curtain-rails/tools-fittings/fixa-hammer-drill-li-ion-art-50232899/

That's not SDS

stimpson

cletus wrote: »

That's not SDS

Yes it is.

maidhc

stimpson wrote: »

Yes it is.

Oh dear.

Op, get a basic 220v drill if it is only for occasional use. For moderate use a midline makita/dewalt/milwaukee would be a good bet but you heading towards €250/300.

I treated myself to this last week, wonderful bit of kit. http://www.ie.screwfix.com/dewalt-dcd996p2-gb-18v-5-0ah-li-ion-xr-brushless-cordless-combi-drill.html?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=Shopping&gclid=Cj0KEQjwnPLKBRC-j7nt1b7OlZwBEiQAv8lMLBmzFtBQYtQeumWYAYPV6CC4D27q7jo3sRHhXGsZjPQaAhgx8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

cletus

stimpson wrote: »

Yes it is.

Looking closer, I see that it does have an SDS chuck. But its a 14v cordless. The likelihood of that being better than a corded hammer action drill is very slim

stimpson

cletus wrote: »

Looking closer, I see that it does have an SDS chuck. But its a 14v cordless. The likelihood of that being better than a corded hammer action drill is very slim

It will eat a standard hammer for breakfast in masonry. In an SDS the pneumatic hammer hits the concrete with 1/2 joule of energy several times a second which fractures the material. A standard hammer drill is relying on the friction of the bit to do the work. SDS drills tend to have a far lower RPM to standard drills yet they drive much quicker in masonry.

There is a tear down of the ikea one here:

He goes through the gearing and it's decent quality and generally well put together. The interesting thing is that it's practically identical to a Bosch Uneo that goes for 3 times the price. Compare and contrast:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6008/5917432734_afdc4f067f_b.jpg

cletus

I know what an SDS drill is. I've seen the video before, AvE is one of the few subscriptions I have on YouTube.

If I recall, he wasn't overly impressed with the drill, other than it was "skukum" for the price point, except issues with the plastic chuck and the arm that drives the hammer. Also he never actually got it off the healing bench and managed to make part B and test it.

I personally wouldn't be recommending a cordless 14v IKEA drill over a corded hammer action, if you have it and your happy, grand.

I looked at the picture you posted, they do look similar, but the fact that the Bosch is €150 doesn't speak to its efficacy

stimpson

Ok it has a plastic chuck and the battery limits the number of holes you can drill, but it's €50. I guarantee it will be quicker through concrete than a €50 hammer drill. For a home gamer who wants to put up a few shelves or a curtain rail it's going to be perfectly fine. TBH at €50 im thinking of picking one up and giving it a hot supper just to see how well she chooches.

At the end of the day, my point is that SDS drills can be had cheap. If cordless is the issue you can pick up a brand name corded SDS for €100. At that price why buy a hammer drill?

colm_mcm

Yeah but for most DIY jobs a non SDS cordless is handier to use than an SDS one where you often need a separate chuck stuck into the main chuck.

Ideal combo for me would be a cordless for the handy jobs and a corded SDS for the heavier stuff.

stimpson

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yeah but for most DIY jobs a non SDS cordless is handier to use than an SDS one where you often need a separate chuck stuck into the main chuck.

Ideal combo for me would be a cordless for the handy jobs and a corded SDS for the heavier stuff.

It takes 2 seconds to fit the adapter chuck into an SDS chuck. Click and it's done. Then it works just like a regular drill driver with a keyless chuck.

I agree with your second point. It's what I use. But if I was a beginner and only buying one tool I would buy the Ikea. No question.

mik_da_man

FWIW OP, I bought a Makita in B&Q about 15 years ago, 18V not SDS two batteries and fast charge.
It does everything I've ever needed around the house, not great at precast concrete, but otherwise for the average DIY person it's fine.

It was on offer for 120 I think, but well worth it

colm_mcm

stimpson wrote: »

It takes 2 seconds to fit the adapter chuck into an SDS chuck. Click and it's done. Then it works just like a regular drill driver with a keyless chuck.

I agree with your second point. It's what I use. But if I was a beginner and only buying one tool I would buy the Ikea. No question.

My point is that it's more awkward than a regular cordless for screwdriving and drilling in tughter spaces.

MAJJ

Any thoughts on this with 3 year warranty.

https://www.lidl.ie/en/special-offers.htm?articleId=540

PARKSIDE 20V Li-Ion Cordless Hammer Drill
only

€ 59.99

from 13.07.
For powerful processing of concrete, stone, metal or wood
2 adjustable functions:
Hammer drilling (with impact mechanism) Screwing or drilling (without impact mechanism)
SDS-plus system tool holder 3-stage battery status indicator With non-slip soft-grip features

Includes:
3 SDS-Plus drill bits (6/8/10 x 150 mm), 3 HSS drill bits with hexagonal shaft (5/6/8mm), 4 screwdriver bits (50mm), 1 bit extension, 1 bit adaptor

60-minute fast charger with automatic charge switch-off

Specifications:
Battery: 20V Lithium-Ion (2Ah) Impact energy: approx. 1 joules Left/right rotation
Impact rate: 0-5000 bpm
No-load rotation speed: n0–900 rpm
More Details
3 Year Guarantee


https://www.lidl.ie/en/special-offers.htm?articleId=540