The great big thread of ICE'd!

unkel

Thought I'd start this thread. Maybe just for a laugh. Maybe to shame the ICE'rs, although that's no doubt wishful thinking. No rules, but great if your pic includes the reg.

unkel

I'll get the ball rolling anyway. This imbecile ICE'd all 8 Tesla superchargers we have in Ireland in the one go :eek:

NIMAN

Just wondering, have traffic wardens around the country got instructions to slap a ticket immediately on any ICE they see in a charging space?

ED E

Wow. What a genius.

NIMAN wrote: »

Just wondering, have traffic wardens around the country got instructions to slap a ticket immediately on any ICE they see in a charging space?

Many (most?) are on private property and is there a law against it already?

n97 mini

I rarely use public CPs anymore, but you nailed it in my experience. Most likey offender will be a German car, and of those it'll be a VAG made car, and of those it'll be an A4. Probably because they are so common.

dbagman

what have you guys got against a bit of in car entertainment?? keeps the kids quiet.....

oppenheimer1

unkel wrote: »

I'll get the ball rolling anyway. This imbecile ICE'd all 8 Tesla superchargers we have in Ireland in the one go :eek:

Maybe he was boat mad :pac:

Soarer

That's epic idiocy.

endacl

Jeez....

Why does everything have to be binary these days.

EV v ICE
Cyclists v Motorists
Bikers v 'Cagers'

Not every dickhead you encounter is representative of a 'them'.

dbagman

unkel wrote: »

I'll get the ball rolling anyway. This imbecile ICE'd all 8 Tesla superchargers we have in Ireland in the one go :eek:

doesn't appear like they were in high demand anyway......

goz83

dbagman wrote: »

doesn't appear like they were in high demand anyway......

Is that your boat?

unkel

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Maybe he was boat mad :pac:

Biggest Tesla fan pulling a very big boat




And he got his EUR100k+ Tesla for free. You're a very intelligent man, oppenheimer1. If only you would have directed your energies towards EVs in a positive way a wee bit earlier and you might have been the one with the free €100k motor.

dbagman

goz83 wrote: »

Is that your boat?

nah....the only boat id have use for would be a lifeboat

Marcusm

unkel wrote: »

I'll get the ball rolling anyway. This imbecile ICE'd all 8 Tesla superchargers we have in Ireland in the one go :eek:

Now now, his boat is the most energy efficient vehicle available - purely wind powered, no need for turbine, grid or charge point!

The Black Oil

Saw the one on Synge Street occupied a few weeks ago, now by EVs. Seems to be the same on Google Maps.

dr.fuzzenstein

unkel wrote: »

Biggest Tesla fan pulling a very big boat




And he got his EUR100k+ Tesla for free. You're a very intelligent man, oppenheimer1. If only you would have directed your energies towards EVs in a positive way a wee bit earlier and you might have been the one with the free €100k motor.

That better be an electric boat!

ABC101

For both photo graphs the trailer load could be greater than the max permissible towing weight of the vehicle.   Could be?   Certainly if I was law enforcement I would be pulling the driver over for a chat and ascertain if they are above the mptw.
In addition the area presented to windage would be fairly high, so you might not want to tow those on a windy day?
As for the photo, you don't know if the driver is physically turning the car / trailer etc and as such the photo is just a moment in time when the obstruction occurred.   Or was the entire rig parked there for several days?   Did the driver stay with the vehicle while the wife / passenger pop into the shop or what?
Sometimes at certain social events, I've had to park the car in a blocking position to another car in a carpark, etc, but I've always put my phone number on the dashboard, clearly visible and I'm only 60 seconds away, like communion event in a parish hall or funeral / out in the country etc.
Things tend to be more relaxed out in the sticks, however I would not dare try any silly parking in Wilton Shopping Center in Bishopstown Cork!!!   Crikey.... talk about being very well policed!!!

goz83

In both images, there is nobody that can be seen the car, so that rules out a moment in time for a turn. The second image is not as bad as it looks. There are 2 chargers accessible for other Teslas. It's likely the driver was charging up and had very little option unless he/she unhitched the boat to charge, which was probably not at all necessary.

The 1st image is a d1ck move. Blocking access to the only tesla charger bay in the country.

ABC101

goz83 wrote: »

In both images, there is nobody that can be seen the car, so that rules out a moment in time for a turn. The second image is not as bad as it looks. There are 2 chargers accessible for other Teslas. It's likely the driver was charging up and had very little option unless he/she unhitched the boat to charge, which was probably not at all necessary.

The 1st image is a d1ck move. Blocking access to the only tesla charger bay in the country.

Yes if zoom in there's nobody in the Audi 07-d-

Even if he had to park there, could he not have moved over to one side? the roads wide enough for two way traffic.

Is the tesla charger free? Or do you have to have a pre paid card?

Shefwedfan

I am about to go out and park the smax in front of one just to get on this thread

punisher5112

Saw a i3 go car clamped in Dublin the other day. It was at a charge point.

goz83

punisher5112 wrote: »

Saw a i3 go car clamped in Dublin the other day. It was at a charge point.

They are supposed to be moved once charged, or they get clamped.

punisher5112

goz83 wrote: »

They are supposed to be moved once charged, or they get clamped.

From what I see they are just left. Most of the time even see them dumped there without even being charged.

Gumbo

punisher5112 wrote: »

From what I see they are just left. Most of the time even see them dumped there without even being charged.

GoCar give EV owners a free account with free 30 minutes activation every time so you can move any of their cars that are parked in an EV spot that you need access to.

I joined up last month just in case.

n97 mini

kceire wrote: »

GoCar give EV owners a free account with free 30 minutes activation every time so you can move any of their cars that are parked in an EV spot that you need access to.

I joined up last month just in case.

So we can do their work for for them. Bit of a ptake imho.

Shefwedfan

kceire wrote: »

GoCar give EV owners a free account with free 30 minutes activation every time so you can move any of their cars that are parked in an EV spot that you need access to.

I joined up last month just in case.

Emailed them about this, I wonder can you use the service normally if you have free account as well?

ELM327

punisher5112 wrote: »

Saw a i3 go car clamped in Dublin the other day. It was at a charge point.

Delighted for them!! :D:D:D

ABC101 wrote: »

Yes if zoom in there's nobody in the Audi 07-d-

Even if he had to park there, could he not have moved over to one side? the roads wide enough for two way traffic.

Is the tesla charger free? Or do you have to have a pre paid card?

It's free, just drive up and plug in.
All the teslabjorn videos are very informative lol

kceire wrote: »

GoCar give EV owners a free account with free 30 minutes activation every time so you can move any of their cars that are parked in an EV spot that you need access to.

I joined up last month just in case.

I refuse to do their job for them.
That's not a solution to a crappy business model that rapes the public SCP network which is sparse in DCC in places.
FYI - Cables disconnect from the SCP when charging is completed. I've been playing with the idea of getting a 15meter cable for this instance!

n97 mini wrote: »

So we can do their work for for them. Bit of a ptake imho.

+1

goz83

n97 mini wrote: »

So we can do their work for for them. Bit of a ptake imho.

I wouldn't mind doing it the one time for a free spin in the i3

ELM327

Ah but theirs are all dirty dino juice I3 lol. I'd love a spin in a new 33kwh i3!

liamog

I'm glad GoCars came up with the free membership to move their cars.
It's a pragmatic solution and allows the person directly impacted to fix the problem.

GoCars and the future government backed EV sharing scheme should be allies of private EV users. They'll both need charging infrastructure in public places and it will need to have enough capacity for chargers to be available.
We'd be better working with these groups than condemning them.

I've noticed a real lack of pragmatism from some members here, I'm not saying we shouldn't strive for an ideal world, but sometimes compromise is necessary especially during the Innovators phase of the adoption curve.

ELM327

They are a private company and should not be allowed commercial access to the network.

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

They are a private company and should not be allowed commercial access to the network.

Why? A viable public charging network requires demand and they provide demand.

Would you rather see a number of on-street parking spaces with a charger that you can't use because it's only usable by GoCars?

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

Why? A viable public charging network requires demand and they provide demand.

Would you rather see a number of on-street parking spaces with a charger that you can't use because it's only usable by GoCars?

That's what a large part of dublin was before the EV community complained.
The CP network is a centrally funded network and it's even listed on the eCars website that it is not availble for commercial users

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

That's what a large part of dublin was before the EV community complained.
The CP network is a centrally funded network and it's even listed on the eCars website that it is not availble for commercial users

They've clearly come to some agreement, otherwise they wouldn't be given access cards.

To look at the argument the other way.
You're a private driver, why would we provide any space in public places to allow you to charge? We don't ask car sharing clubs to have private petrol stations.

The whole point of them is to reduce the need for private cars in cities. If GoCars went with EVs only from now on, more people would be exposed to the benefits and more infrastructure in Dublin would need to be installed.

This is what I was referring to re pragmatic solutions, do you want to see three separate charging networks across the city, eCars, Car Clubs, and Taxis. Or do you want to see one network that we can all use. As commercial users, Car Clubs and Taxis are likely to be more demanding than a few individual EV users when it comes to holding eCars to maintenance standards and installation of more charging points.

goz83

I have no problem with GoCar using the public CPs as long as an ev driver is able to get in and move the car if necessary to access the CP. Taxis should not have access to the CPs as they would very quickly become a nuisance and should have their own CPs.

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

They've clearly come to some agreement, otherwise they wouldn't be given access cards.

To look at the argument the other way.
You're a private driver, why would we provide any space in public places to allow you to charge? We don't ask car sharing clubs to have private petrol stations.

The whole point of them is to reduce the need for private cars in cities. If GoCars went with EVs only from now on, more people would be exposed to the benefits and more infrastructure in Dublin would need to be installed.

This is what I was referring to re pragmatic solutions, do you want to see three separate charging networks across the city, eCars, Car Clubs, and Taxis. Or do you want to see one network that we can all use. As commercial users, Car Clubs and Taxis are likely to be more demanding than a few individual EV users when it comes to holding eCars to maintenance standards and installation of more charging points.

The pilot project was to provide SCP and FCP for private users to encourage EV uptake. If there is no uptake, we face massive EU fines for CO2 emissions. That's the state of it. The maintenance and upkeep of the network (not the initial cost) is covered by the ESB from their PSO levy.

The pilot project is not for sharks/opportunists/leaches to profit from. As I mentioned, this is specifically disclaimed by eCars on the website.

Car sharing clubs do not have to provide private petrol stations as there is enough in dublin to be considered an infinite supply. This is simply not true for EV. Additionally the ownership and refueling model is completely different. With an EV you can refill at home and then use the public network. The idea that you drive to many ubiquitous refilling stations and leave in 5 minutes with 500km of range is not applicable to EVs.

ELM327

goz83 wrote: »

I have no problem with GoCar using the public CPs as long as an ev driver is able to get in and move the car if necessary to access the CP. Taxis should not have access to the CPs as they would very quickly become a nuisance and should have their own CPs.

Agree.
Tell that to the knob in Gorey btw.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

liamog

goz83 wrote: »

I have no problem with GoCar using the public CPs as long as an ev driver is able to get in and move the car if necessary to access the CP. Taxis should not have access to the CPs as they would very quickly become a nuisance and should have their own CPs.

Taxi drivers would probably want fast chargers anyway, makes sense for them to charge in 30 mins.

TfL are installing 300 Fast Chargers across Greater London, they're funding it for Taxis but will allow private users to use as well.

100 Fast Chargers installed across Dublin would go a long way to solving the charging problem for apartments and on-street parkers.

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

Taxi drivers would probably want fast chargers anyway, makes sense for them to charge in 30 mins.

TfL are installing 300 Fast Chargers across Greater London, they're funding it for Taxis but will allow private users to use as well.

100 Fast Chargers installed across Dublin would go a long way to solving the charging problem for apartments and on-street parkers.

The TFL chargers are not fast chargers, AFAIR they are 7kW AC units.

It's a pity there is no full sized EV like the Ioniq that can take 22kW AC. (outside of a Tesla of course) A bank of 22kW AC chargers at taxi ranks would work well and a lot cheaper than a bunch of FCP

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

The TFL chargers are not fast chargers, AFAIR they are 7kW AC units.

It's a pity there is no full sized EV like the Ioniq that can take 22kW AC. (outside of a Tesla of course) A bank of 22kW AC chargers at taxi ranks would work well and a lot cheaper than a bunch of FCP

TfL signed contracts for the installation of 300 Rapid Chargers starting with 75 this year. Fastned are one of the operators that will be involved.

https://fastned.nl/en/blog/post/fastned-starts-expansion-to-london

Better info https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2017/april/tfl-drives-forward-18-million-electric-vehicle-scheme

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

TfL signed contracts for the installation of 300 Rapid Chargers starting with 75 this year. Fastned are one of the operators that will be involved.

https://fastned.nl/en/blog/post/fastned-starts-expansion-to-london

Better info https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2017/april/tfl-drives-forward-18-million-electric-vehicle-scheme

Interesting. I'm sure I read that they are 7kW units before.

n97 mini

liamog wrote: »

I'm glad GoCars came up with the free membership to move their cars.
It's a pragmatic solution and allows the person directly impacted to fix the problem.

It's not really. Think of how it will work in reality. Most EV owners won't have a gocars account (I don't), even if it is free, so straight away the majority can do nothing about a gocars car stuck on a CP that should have been moved.

But if they did, it will play out like this:
Rock up to CP to find it blocked.
Drive around looking for somewhere to park your car.
Walk back to CP, put cables away, drive around Dublin looking for somewhere to park their car.
Walk from their car to your car.
Drive back to CP and hope that no-one has nabbed the spot while you were looking after gocar's car.

ELM327

n97 mini wrote: »

It's not really. Think of how it will work in reality. Most EV owners won't have a gocars account (I don't), even if it is free, so straight away the majority can do nothing about a gocars car stuck on a CP that should have been moved.

But if they did, it will play out like this:
Rock up to CP to find it blocked.
Drive around looking for somewhere to park your car.
Walk back to CP, put cables away, drive around Dublin looking for somewhere to park their car.
Walk from their car to your car.
Drive back to CP and hope that no-one has nabbed the spot while you were looking after gocar's car.

My strategy is a little different, assuming there's a free spot within 5 metres of the SCP and the gocar is not charging (of course as per DCC policy they are entitled to use the chargers and anyway a car can only be unplugged if it's not charging)

Find free spot
Unplug go car hogger
plug in my car
job done.

(Hopefully the gocar will then be clamped)

liamog

n97 mini wrote: »

It's not really. Think of how it will work in reality. Most EV owners won't have a gocars account (I don't), even if it is free, so straight away the majority can do nothing about a gocars car stuck on a CP that should have been moved.

But if they did, it will play out like this:
Rock up to CP to find it blocked.
Drive around looking for somewhere to park your car.
Walk back to CP, put cables away, drive around Dublin looking for somewhere to park their car.
Walk from their car to your car.
Drive back to CP and hope that no-one has nabbed the spot while you were looking after gocar's car.

I'm not suggesting it's a perfect solution, but it's a better than nothing approach

Gumbo

n97 mini wrote: »

So we can do their work for for them. Bit of a ptake imho.

Not a problem. Takes 2 mins to re-arrange the cars.

DrPhilG

I agree that it's a p-take that users are expected to do their work for them, but if I was stuck and needed the charger I'd rather use the workaround rather than be left stuck.

That's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I like the possibility of moving them somewhere they would get clamped though.

n97 mini

kceire wrote: »

Not a problem. Takes 2 mins to re-arrange the cars.

Assuming there are two free spaces nearby. One to park your car in temporarily and a second to move their car to.

KCross

DrPhilG wrote: »

I like the possibility of moving them somewhere they would get clamped though.

I wonder do you become liable for the clamp fee since you will have agreed to their T&C's when you create your account which presumably means traffic violations are the users problem?

I have no idea, I didn't even look but just throwing it out there.

oppenheimer1

unkel wrote: »

Biggest Tesla fan pulling a very big boat



And he got his EUR100k+ Tesla for free. You're a very intelligent man, oppenheimer1. If only you would have directed your energies towards EVs in a positive way a wee bit earlier and you might have been the one with the free €100k motor.

What is it about people pulling boats in carparks. I saw the same behaviour at Enfield west a few weeks ago too.

I wouldn't say I'm not positive towards them, it's just that the current gen are lacking and tends to be oversold by enthusiast's. All perfectly understandable really. I also think it's fair to point out that the subsidy and general support the EV gets is unsustainable in the long run and some people might be in for a shock when a more realistic taxation system is introduced.

That said if Tesla want to give me a free motor to convert me I'll happily go along with that

ABC101

unkel wrote: »

I'll get the ball rolling anyway. This imbecile ICE'd all 8 Tesla superchargers we have in Ireland in the one go :eek:

That really is some charging station!

Not much discussion about charging infrastructure, maintenance, insurance etc So looking at the 8 CP Tesla station, what are we talking about here. Anybody know the details

1) Cost to build, commission?
2) Annual cost to run?
3) Technical details, power output etc
4) Any other details etc

Gumbo

n97 mini wrote: »

Assuming there are two free spaces nearby. One to park your car in temporarily and a second to move their car to.

Most of the GoCar and EV spits are on quiet side roads. Greek street, aughrim street etc

I pull up beside gocar and put hazards on , take go car out and park alongside put the hazards on.
Park my car and charge. Then go park the go car. There's always a spot, even in Dublin City with 5 mins.

It's not perfect but if you need that few % it's hassle free. Especially if you would be parking there anyway for work site visit or similar.

*wont have to worry about it when I get my home charger installed though.