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Home heating automation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 just_manu


    Hi everyone,

    I have a Climote and it's time to get back online with a replacement system. Looking for some guidance on what the best option is.

    This is my current setup:

    • Climote control unit
    • 3 zone control (upstairs, downstairs & hot water)
    • Wired Thermostats - 1 upstairs, 1 downstairs (old style circular dial type)

    Looking for something that won't break the bank but want the app control etc. and hopefully something I can replace myself.

    Apologies if there has been a solution already post previously but am new to all this and appreciate any help. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    A Drayton Wiser kit 3 will be a wire in replacement for your Climote unit. The wall stats are wireless, no wiring. The old stats are either turned up full, or removed and their two wires joined and concealed in the wall. The Wiser kit 3 is available for a bargain here.

    https://grange.ie/product-detail/wiser-thermostat-kit-3

    Post edited by deezell on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 just_manu


    Thanks @deezell , really appreciate your reply. Will take a look at this. Cheers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    For a few more €, you can have the Tado V.3 system , one wireless stat to receiver, wired into place of the Climote, which will control one CH zone and HW, plus one wired CH stat which will be connected in place of the one of the old rotary mechanical stats. The other rotary stat which is being replaced by the wireless stat can be left and turned up full, or else removed and it's wire pair connected together and concealed in the wall.

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/tado-v3-black-edition-wireless-heating-hot-water-smart-thermostat-starter-kit-black/701kg

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/tado-black-edition-wired-heating-smart-thermostat/186kg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 just_manu


    Thanks again @deezell ..

    Have ordered the Drayton Wiser Kit 3. Sounds like it's a simple enough swap over from the Climote.

    Regarding the 2 existing stats, I just need to turn both up to max and then locate the 2 new wireless stats wherever i need them and then they will then 'override' the pre-existing stats.

    Sounds straight forward.

    Thanks again for your help and clarity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    Yes, you can position the wireless stat optimally. The existing stats must be turned up full to close the circuit from the Drayton receiver CH Switched lives to the zone valves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 just_manu


    Hi @deezell ,

    I received the Drayton Wiser kit 3. I took off the climote just to see if a 'novice' like myself would be able to swap it easily enough but I fear it's beyond my capabilities. The base plate needs to be swapped out from the Climote one and am just not sure about the re-wiring so going to get an electrician to do the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    If you're more comfortable doing that, that's fine, to each his own. I've previously posted the terminal diagrams for the Climote and Kit3 here as an aid to transfer. I can dig them out and repost if your electrician is not family with the terminals of the climote, it might save him time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 just_manu


    Oh that would be great.

    It might clarify it enough for me to do it myself.. thanks again for your help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    OK, there's 5 wires to be transferred from the Climote to the Wiser. L, N, 2, 4 and 6. There are three wires in the Climote which are jumpers to other terminals in the Climote, from L to 1 to 2 to 5. These are discarded.

    The remaining 5 wires coming in from the wall are swapped;

    Climote to Wiser

    L to L

    N to N

    2 to 1

    4 to 2

    6 to 3

    20250805_113811.jpg

    Tare care, power off at the board. Use a phase tester screwdriver to tip every terminal to check for live. Phase tester screwdriver is the best 2 or 3 euros you'll ever spend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 just_manu


    Thanks a million! Really appreciate you help!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    Tado V3 smart TRVs 3 pack are 94 GBP on amazon uk in a limited time deal if anyone looking for them

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B098B2XP8C?tag=cameldrops-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1&language=en_GB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    Great deal, €119.24 with currency, extra vat and delivery, but buy direct frim Amazon. ie, €105.96 all in.

    https://www.amazon.ie/tado-Smart-Radiator-Thermostat-3-Pack/dp/B098B2XP8C/ref%3Dmp_s_a_1_1_mod_primary_new



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    Ah. The discount was there this morning. I didn't screen grab, just shared the link. Think it was 47% off. Gone off the UK site also I see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭ElBarco


    I've been trying to follow along with the thread and I'm hoping for a bit of a steer. We've just finished having the house rewired and with all new rads. Currently I have a combi boiler taking care of the hot water and two heating zones (upstairs and downstairs).

    I'm nearly sure the Wiser kit linked to in post 5073 will do the job for me but there is one wrinkle I'd love to try and sort before I pull the trigger. I have a EPH R27-v2 as the controller along with two wired thermostats. Confusingly (and I had to figure this out myself) the "water" control is connected to the upstairs heating zone and the "heating" control does downstairs. I've attached pictures if that helps.

    I'd love some advice before I give up and break out the label maker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    The EPH controller is just a two channel timer, the labels are as you say, just labels.

    The Drayton you need is the Kit3, with two CH wireless thermostats to a 3 channel controller, of which you'll use the two CH relays and ignore the HW relay.

    I can't readily look at post 5073 as they're not numbered in the phone browser, I'd probably need to dig out a laptop. Have boards an app? I must look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    No app, or PC view on Chrome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭ElBarco


    Thanks so much @deezell and apologies for not linking back to the post I was referencing. https://grange.ie/product-detail/wiser-thermostat-kit-3 is the link. It looks like I should be safe enough to fire ahead with that and with any luck a DIY install will be possible. I won't get into the long story of the existing smart controls ending up in the bin during the building works…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    You mean someone replaced your heating controls with those EPH antiques? I thought they looked shiny new. Diy easy enough. Just swap the base plates, I'll pop up a pic of the eph wiring. You can just turn up the eph stats full, or remove and link their their two wires connections together.

    EPH wiring

    Screenshot_20250814_072742_Chrome.jpg

    N and L on the EPH baseplate to N and L on the Wiser baseplate, the switched lives to the zones from 3 and 4 on the EPH go to 1 and 3 on the Wiser baseplate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭ElBarco


    There is a longer story about the whole installation that I won't get into. Thanks again for the help with this as I think I'm all set now. I'm happy enough moving cables between terminals so I think I have a full plan now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Great price, but gen 2 is on the horizon…what to do.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 10,120 ✭✭✭✭mik_da_man


    I had the same question about a year ago!

    From what I could see the 1st gen hub suited my needs, the newer one adds more control for other items like door/window sensors and smoke alarms etc. the 2nd gen hub uses the same thermostat as the 1st gen one, so if it's heating only you're after I think the 1st gen will do the job just fine.

    I can't see any need for me to move to the gen2 hub yet anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭damianmcr


    Hi,

    I am getting a Worcester Bosch 4000 installed to tomorrow to replace an old Vokera boiler.

    Currently I have a Danfoss Programmer FP750si and two Danfoss Thermostats (I've included pictures below).

    I've read lots about EasyControl and EMS2 and how your average device such as Tado cannot speak to the boiler so that it functions to the best of its capabilities. I don't plan on upgrading my system tomorrow during the install but would like to in the very near future to something smart that I can control when I am not at home at the minimum.

    As part of my setup I have two zones for heating, one downstairs and one upstairs, and then hot water direct from the boiler. I've never used any features of the programmer to set times etc. I think if I use WB devices I will need a CT200 and possibly two of their thermostats. From what I have read you can only have one CT200 and it can only control one zone so you need the CT200 to act as a controller of sorts and the two thermostats wired in place of the existing thermostats.

    Cost is a limiting factor and I dont want to place smart TRV's on each radiator either. Personally I would prefer wireless thermostats as currently for some reason they have installed the downstairs thermostat almost above a radiator and for that reason I think that rules out WB devices.

    Any help would be appreciated here and I can add more information if you need anything or more pictures of the valves themselves.

    Thanks

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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    I just had the 4700 24kw installed myself, and currently use Tado X with their tvrs on 6 rads, it seems to work well but then haven't had a need for the rads yet. What do you mean when you say it doesn't speak to the boiler as well as it can?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    You've answered your own question as to why a closed loop digital sytem between a boiler and its thermostat can't work when there are two thermostats needed for different zones. Tado is far from an average Thermostat, it can connect to digital OpenTherm, EMS, and many proprietary manufacturer digital interfaces. It can do EMS2 with an adapter. Like the CT200, a digital loop between temperature sensor and boiler implies one thermostat. But you need two stats, with one wireless. If you install the single CT200, and leave the mechanical wall stats, your system will not work.

    One great feature of Tado, aside from its high end smart features, is its ability to modulate a boiler when connected in switched on /off mode as yours is. It uses PID control algorithms to achieve optimal boiler firing, steady temperature target and maintenance, and it will do this for whichever thermostat is calling for heat, be it the zone wall stats or room smart TRVs.

    No need to regress to one CH zone. Simply install a Tado wired and a Tado wireless thermostat in place of your upstairs wall stat, and downstairs timer respectively. The downstairs mechanical stat over the rad can be removed with its cables jointed, insulated and buried back in the wall. (or left there and turned up full) The upstairs mechanical stat is replaced by the wired Tado. The timer is replaced by the wireless tado receiver, which will switch the live for the downstairs zone re the wireless stat, while the previous timer live out to the upstairs wired Tado is connected to the permanent live in. That's it, two very smart thermostats with precise control of your boilers flow temperature by virtue of Tado's own firing algorithms, plus a smart featured thermostat system that's smarter than your average bear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    I have the same boiler and use tado...I can't get weather comp and modulation but tado has been great with trvs and one wireless thermostat..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭deezell


    You won't notice the modulation until the stat approaches target temperature. It will go into a firing pattern of on/off that gently achieves room temperature, and it will continue this to maintain an accurate steady temperature. If you look at a room or zone graph and run your finger along the measured temperature trace you will see the small data frame appear with the set and measured temperature, and the three line boiler firing symbol. Thus will vary from 0 to three lines, which corresponds to the firing pattern of the stat. It will alternate between zero and one line to maintain temperature in short bursts, but will jump to two lines when it detects a higher rate of temperature drop, or an approaching increase in set temperature on the schedule. Firing the boiler in a series of short bursts ensures it won't overshoot, and also keeps flow temperature lower and thus condensing efficiency higher. You can also see the firing pattern in 4 different shades from white to dark grey if you tap the blue firing icon. These are from a very cold day in January. The dotted blue line is humidity, turned on by pressing the droplet button.

    Screenshot_20250905_083408_tado.jpg Screenshot_20250905_083142_tado.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭WildCardDoW


    Tado is far from an average Thermostat, it can connect to digital OpenTherm, EMS, and many proprietary manufacturer digital interfaces.

    Important to note that this is the "V3" version. Tado X currently only supports Opentherm, you do specify with an adapter but just in case.

    It can do EMS2 with an adapter.

    I struggled to find adapters that do EMS2 a while back, EMS was easy. They appear to be easier to find now for sure:

    https://www.elektrobode.nl/products/bosch-ems-1-2-to-opentherm-converter-7736702317

    Also IMO Robert is referring to Bosch boiler modulation and weather comp. Not what Tado does which emulate it.

    Also for others looking into this the different of the EMS2 v On/Off or "relay" through Tado's algorithm would be very small.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas


    Mine just fires boiler on and off through motorised valve using wireless switch..boiler temp is constant at 58…are you saying its doing modulation in that setup also ? If so…great



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